3:58 p.m.
Accessing a page on <https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/>;, I am
presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is
unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content,
log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the
page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that my
browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose
to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy
without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser;
I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the site
might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes
things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent
their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've encountered
this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their
special rights to control the rest of us?
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6:01 p.m.
Dave Close composed on 2023-04-30 13:58 (UTC-0700):
Accessing a page on <https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/>;, I
am
presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is
unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content,
log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the
page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that
my
browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose
to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy
without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser;
I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the
site
might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes
things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent
their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've
encountered
this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their
special rights to control the rest of us?
Broken web site! Fallback to "poor" content should always result when
"rich"
content is somehow blocked. I think it stinks for any non-financial web site to
demand what software you use to access its site.
SeaMonkey users are among those subjected to this rudeness by
discussion.fedoraproject.org, but they need only toggle off "use style" to
enjoy
the full page text unencumbered by text that isn't a perfect match to one's
browser default size and family. Other browsers most likely have a similar toggle
available.
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12:52 a.m.
On Sun, 2023-04-30 at 13:58 -0700, Dave Close wrote:
Accessing a page on <https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/>;, I
am
presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is
unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content,
log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the
page immediately visible.
Are we back in the 1990s, with browser-specific sites? And sites that
do a stupid unrelated test on a browser to determine your worthiness to
view the site? Ooh, you're not accepting cookies, so we'll complain
you've got JavaScript disabled. Or we'll do some oddball JavaScript
function test, that bears no relation to the abilities to show our
site, then tell you to upgrade your browser.
This is like the stupidity of my security system: You can't browse to
its control webpage, it insists you must use a version of Internet
Explorer that was withdrawn from service a few years before this device
was ever built.
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3:57 a.m.
Am 30.04.2023 um 22:58 schrieb Dave Close <dave(a)compata.com>:
Accessing a page on <https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/>;, I am
presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is
unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content,
log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the
page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that my
browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose
to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy
without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser;
I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the site
might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes
things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent
their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
That sounds strange. What browser are you using? fedoraproject.org as well as
discussion.fedoraproject.org use fairly w3c compliant technology.
I can even „use“ the site with a non-graphical text browser, e.g.
lynx discussion.fedoraproject.org
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've encountered
this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their
special rights to control the rest of us?
They don’t ‚control‘ you. They just check, if your browser it technically capable to
render the site content. If not, they provide a „minimal view“, check e.g. lynx.
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7:54 a.m.
In Firefox, Fedora's default browser, the page is barely legible, so it's not
surprising that it breaks at the drop of a hat. It appears to be heavily under
construction.
9:18 a.m.
On 1 May 2023, at 13:54, Andre Robatino
<robatino(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
In Firefox, Fedora's default browser, the page is barely legible, so it's not
surprising that it breaks at the drop of a hat. It appears to be heavily under
construction.
I can access both sites with firefox on fedora and they look good and ate interactive.
What do you mean by barely legible?
Barry
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11:15 a.m.
It's hard to describe, but https://discussion.fedoraproject.org is way too long
vertically and looks like it hasn't loaded fully. There's a reference above to
turning off "use style" but I don't know what that means or if that has
anything to do with the problem. I wouldn't expect to have to change defaults in order
to view a Fedora-related site.
11:37 a.m.
Andre Robatino wrote:
It's hard to describe, but
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org is way too long
vertically and looks like it hasn't loaded fully. There's
a reference above to turning off "use style" but I don't
know what that means or if that has anything to do with
the problem. I wouldn't expect to have to change defaults
in order to view a Fedora-related site.
Are you using Firefox with the noscript plugin? Or a
different browser, like Seamonkey?
If the former, I found that setting the site to "Trusted"
was not enough. The "Custom" option had to be selected and
the "unrestricted CSS" box had to be checked. Without that,
the site did just as you describe, looking like this:
https://fedorapeople.org/~tmz/discourse.png
I've seen some other comment that things don't work with
Seamonkey very well either.
I think it's an annoyance that sites require such heavy
javascript to function.
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12:05 p.m.
Yep, that was it. Thanks. I was using mozilla-noscript, and doing what you suggested
worked. I've never had to do that with any other site as I've never seen any other
site appear broken like this one.
12:14 p.m.
Andre Robatino wrote:
Yep, that was it. Thanks. I was using mozilla-noscript,
and doing what you suggested worked. I've never had to do
that with any other site as I've never seen any other site
appear broken like this one.
Yes, discourse is the first time I've run into this type of
thing. It would often work if I reloaded the page a few
times (somehow?!?). But with the custom rule, it loads
properly all the time.
I still don't care much for it, but it's probably not going
away, so I'll have to use it at least occasionally. :)
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12:28 p.m.
On Mon, 2023-05-01 at 17:05 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Yep, that was it. Thanks. I was using mozilla-noscript, and doing
what you suggested worked. I've never had to do that with any other
site as I've never seen any other site appear broken like this one.
Just wanted to say thank you as well. I had just upgrade my no-script
extension and was seeing the same issue. If I disabled no-script the
page rendered just fine fine. Checking unrestricted CSS fixed the
issue.
Charlie
12:27 p.m.
Todd Zullinger composed on 2023-05-01 12:37 (UTC-0400):
Andre Robatino wrote:
> It's hard to describe, but
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org is way too long
> vertically and looks like it hasn't loaded fully. There's
> a reference above to turning off "use style" but I don't
> know what that means or if that has anything to do with
> the problem. I wouldn't expect to have to change defaults
> in order to view a Fedora-related site.
Are you using Firefox with the noscript plugin? Or a
different browser, like Seamonkey?
If the former, I found that setting the site to "Trusted"
was not enough. The "Custom" option had to be selected and
the "unrestricted CSS" box had to be checked. Without that,
the site did just as you describe, looking like this:
I've seen some other comment that things don't work with
Seamonkey very well either.
I think it's an annoyance that sites require such heavy
javascript to function.
No luck here finding anything to do with Custom or CSS in NoScript in SeaMonkey. :(
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1:23 p.m.
Felix Miata wrote:
No luck here finding anything to do with Custom or CSS in
NoScript in SeaMonkey. :(
This may not help then, but here's what I have in noscript
for discussion.fedoraproject.org:
https://fedorapeople.org/~tmz/discourse-noscript.png
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1:39 p.m.
It wasn't obvious to me where Custom was, I had to identify the icon on top with the S
and the wrench. Hovering over that with the mouse says "Custom". I never had to
do that with any other site. Some sites wouldn't load properly or at all without
temporarily enabling Javascript, but this is the first time I had to locate and use Custom
to make it work.
1:43 p.m.
Actually, I used the Custom icon next to the specific site, there's a separate global
one on top.
12:53 p.m.
On Mon, 2023-05-01 at 12:37 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
I think it's an annoyance that sites require such heavy
javascript to function.
It's more than just an annoyance, that kind of thing makes them
* slow to load (comparatively speaking, though sometimes so damn slow
it's unbelievable)
* fragile
* complicated
* potentially more vulnerable to attack (especially when you just
throw other people's dubious code into your site instead of writing
your own)
* computationally expensive to render
* painfully tedious to navigate
I shouldn't need a 4 core 6 GHz PC to browse what's a mostly textual
content kind of website.
Personally I dislike multi-columnar webpages. It's like playing a game
of snakes and ladders to read the page when you have to scroll up and
down, several times. Printed magazine formats ought to stay with
printed magazines, where you *can* see the whole page in one go.
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11:49 a.m.
On Mon, 2023-05-01 at 12:54 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
In Firefox, Fedora's default browser, the page is barely legible,
so
it's not surprising that it breaks at the drop of a hat. It appears
to be heavily under construction.
Nothing jumps out at me as looking wrong.
Perhaps something was being changed and you have a partial stylesheet
stuck in your cache. Try holding your shift key down and click on the
reload button in your browser.
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