On Mon, 18 May 2020, Ranjan Maitra wrote: The browser doesn't crash; only the tabs. So in that way, it's more of a nuisance rather than a disruption. Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then. MP > > > On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Max Pyziur <pyz(a)brama.com&gt; wrote: > >> >> Greetings, >> >> Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are >> crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored >> easily, but there's a nuisance factor here. >> >> Anyone else? >> >> Hardware/Software basic deets: >> Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. >> 1TB Samsung Solid state drive >> 8GB RAM >> F32 - everything has been updated >> >> Max Pyziur >> pyz(a)brama.com >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list -- users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > -- > Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >

On Mon, 18 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote: It seems ok: pyz@pegasus> free -k total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7698132 4723620 1237612 642556 1736900 1983268 Swap: 0 0 0 Not too shabby. I imagine if more tabs are operating (generally dormant), then memory usage goes up. MP

On 5/18/20 12:00 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: I'm experiencing the same thing on a fully upgraded ubuntu xfce4 desktop setup. Moving to the firefox beta didn't solve the problem.

On 5/18/20 4:37 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Ok, then it could still be the regular oom killer. You would have to keep an eye on the memory levels to see if there's a correlation with the tabs going away. I have an up-to-date Firefox on F31 and I've recently had the entire browser crash a couple of times. I have significant swap usage, but it appeared to be a crash, not a memory kill.

On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 07:37 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: My system was upgraded from F31 to F32 and does have earlyoom installed and running. I have never installed it myself and indeed wasn't even aware of it before reading this thread. This is Fedora Workstation, though I actually use KDE. poc

Keep in mind if it does not "crash" and you have enough swap that the machine will just get so slow as to be useless. On my firefox leaving the weather channel up will result in that "tab" eating all of my memory. This morning it had 3.1GB when I killed it (10GB machine), and I have had it drive several GB in swap basically hanging the machine so bad a power cycle is the fastest solution. The weather channel paged for me has a been a problem for months. It could be a firefox bug or it could be something specific to the web page causing it. There are likely other web pages that have the exact same issue. On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:17 AM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com&gt; wrote: > > On 2020-05-19 18:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 07:37 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >>> What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom > >> > >> Keep in mind that earlyoom installs only applies to new installs. > >> > >> > >> > >> If one is upgrading from an earlier version of Fedora it won't be automatically installed. Nor is it > >> > >> installed on all spins. > > My system was upgraded from F31 to F32 and does have earlyoom installed > > and running. I have never installed it myself and indeed wasn't even > > aware of it before reading this thread. This is Fedora Workstation, > > though I actually use KDE. > > OK, then maybe it is added to Workstation on the upgrade. I suppose you can verify that > by looking at the dnf history for the upgrade. > > I've not done an upgrade of a Workstation edition as of yet. > > Either way, one can look at the journal to see if either the oom_reaper or earlyoom has terminated > a process. > > > -- > The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Thanks for mentioning that, I did not know there was now a tool to take care of this job. The default for earlyoom won't fix that issue if you have enough swap space defined. it defaults to don't TERM until 50% of swap is left. My machine is swapping on SSD and the machine is mosly useless once it gets less than 1gbyte into swap. I have added an option on one of my machines that has seen issues often (only 10GB ram) to -s 95,95 so it will allow a little bit of swap before killing. I will refresh the web page I know will act up within a day or 2 and see if it kills it fast enough. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:55 AM Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com&gt; wrote: > > On 2020-05-19 23:05, Roger Heflin wrote: > > Keep in mind if it does not "crash" and you have enough swap that the > > machine will just get so slow as to be useless. > > > > And that is exactly the type of problem earlyoom is trying to solve. > > Users should also be aware that, by default, earlyoom is called with > > Preferring to kill process names that match regex '^Web Content$' > > With "Web Content" being a firefox thing. Other web browsers are not immune to eating up > excessive memory due to number of tabs open and the content being served. So, if you're not > a firefox user and you'd rather earlyoom kill one of your tabs instead of picking some other > application you may be running you'd need to adjust the setting. > > You also may wish to add to the --avoid list. > > -- > The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org

On 5/18/20 12:00 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: I recently had a user with a similar problem. Her gmail tab kept crashing. I upgraded her Firefox from 79 to 80 and it didn't happen again.