On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/ > > The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class > virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows > upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu > going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching. > > So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since > almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists: > > - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list > - https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email > - http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists > - https://libosinfo.org/communicate/ > - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs > > Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that > only affects to Fedora, then: > > - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > Can we kill the virt list? At this point in time, I'd say yes. FWIW, a little history.... many moons ago during development of the Fedora Core 5 release, we created a fedora-xen(a)redhat.com mailing list. Virtualization was all new and shiny and a total pain to actually get running and develop against. So the fedora-xen mailing list was useful to avoid deluging other mailing lists with Xen related topics. Later when KVM came along, we created a fedora-virt mailing list, so we didn't tie discussions just to Xen. These later moved from redhat.com to fedoraproject.org mailman. The xen(a)lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list actually still exists too, and has even less traffic than virt one! Fast-forward 10 years.... virtualization is mainstream, almost seemlessly integrated in Fedora, pretty much everyone knows about it and can get it working with little effort. Thus the original rationale for having the Fedora virt mailing list has pretty much gone away IMHO. There's no reason not to just use the main Fedora developer/user mailing lists, and/or the appropriate project upstream lists at this point. Regards, Daniel

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/ > > The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class > virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows > upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu > going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching. > > So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since > almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists: > > - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list > - https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email > - http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists > - https://libosinfo.org/communicate/ > - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs > > Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that > only affects to Fedora, then: > > - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > Can we kill the virt list? At this point in time, I'd say yes.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:08:57AM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 09/16/2015 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:45:28PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> >>> Crickets ... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/ >>> >>> The virt list has long been in an odd place. Fedora has best in class >>> virt support, because so many virt developers use it. It also follows >>> upstream very closely, with upstream packages like libvirt and qemu >>> going straight into Rawhide without any significant patching. >>> >>> So there isn't really much need for a Fedora+virt-specific list, since >>> almost any question should go upstream to one of the following lists: >>> >>> - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virt-tools-list >>> - https://libvirt.org/contact.html#email >>> - http://wiki.qemu.org/MailingLists >>> - https://libosinfo.org/communicate/ >>> - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libguestfs >>> >>> Or as a last resort if it really is a rare virt integration issue that >>> only affects to Fedora, then: >>> >>> - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >>> >>> Can we kill the virt list? >> >> At this point in time, I'd say yes. >> > > Yeah I've thought similar for a long while too. So I'm for it. I'll leave a > bit more time for discussion but if nothing changes I'll close the list next week. One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a method to use here:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html I was also interested in whether any web pages reference this list. I think just these ones: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization#News https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_Preview_Repository#Contact https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-virt https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization/News

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 06:27:09PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > One week - do you want to close the list or should I? Dan suggested a > method to use here: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2015-September/004295.html The xen@ one should probably go too. Rich.