Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and get.fedoraproject.org
by Mark
Hey,
It was suggested that i gather feedback on the 2 sites to see what
users experience when they want to download fedora.
Here is the feedback. (file is here incase the format is off:
http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt)
And i have anonymized all the feedback because some people asked that
before i started to ask questions.
The feedback below was gathered in a few irc rooms mostly #fedora and
#web. hiemanshu helped me gathering some of the feedback below.
Personal real world feedback is asked from 6 persons but not given
since fedora would't even run on there stock notebooks!
Feedback fedoraproject.org and get-fedora
User 1
- fedora main site
-- no issues, it's fine
- get.fp.o
-- KDE download is a bit hidden
-- x64 is hidden. users suggestion: perhaps 2 download buttons:
'download x64' and 'download x32'
-- user said: also add buttons for the dvd versions of tose 2 architectures
-- Make the gnome-kde choosable like on the mandriva download page
-- Ajax popup with download details (distribution, desktop
environment, installation guide etc...)
After showing the mandriva download style he said he only missed the
architecture option
User 2
- fedora main site
-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention
- get.fp.o
-- Misses a big download fedora button, something that attracts the attention
-- Spins, where do i need them for? remove it!
User 3
- fedora main site
-- 'looks oke'
- get.fp.o
-- More infor on spins rather then just one link
-- keep it simple
-- When asked for an x64 download link: "I don't think it should be
there, as many people would download it, and it wouldn't work on their
non x86_64 machines."
User 4
- fedora main site
-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
- get.fp.o
-- "I've been able to find everything I need on the websites."
-- "no issues, it was pretty obvious it's the second big button"
-- ""Trying to download x64"" well, it seems harder because I went to
the list of mirrors instead of just instantly getting the download
link
-->also, when I got to the mirror list I had to click on a mirror and
browse to where the iso files are for F11
-->we're talking 8-9 clicks at least instead of 1x
-->for the 3rd or 4th most common download it would be nice if it
were shorter, but not a big deal to me
-->I'd like it if their was a link directly to the file you wanted on
the mirror (if that is possible or even makes sense)
-->but it would be possible for it to start me off in say
/release/11/Fedora/x86_64
-->yeah, that would make sense for it to do that after I click on the
filter for F11 x86_64
-->yep, that seems like it would be better instead of starting at the base
User 5
- fedora main site
-- seems OK, everything looks like its working, by preference I like
a bit more of a banner on sites, but thats personal
-- posibly more of a note that its based on the comercial Red Hat distro
- get.fp.o
-- seems fine to me
User 6
- fedora main site
-- if I'm new to linux and need help, do I click docs, wiki, get help, or what?
-- too much unused white space
- get.fp.o
-- seems too cluttered
-- leads me to wonder wtf I click on
-- and it lacks consistancy
-- if you have several options, display them in a consistent manner
-->that page has a couple different options in the middle, other
options in a different style on the right (well, i think they are
different) and then other, alternat eoptions at the bottom
-->could it not list all the options in one consistant list,
explaining what each is, with the different download options?
User 7
- fedora main site
-- None
- get.fp.o
-- i guess download button could be bigger, but i noticed it immediately
User 8
- fedora main site
-- should have a big "download" button
-- Well, i think user who wants to install something *NIX'y is pretty
advanced to find a download link on the website
- get.fp.o
-- None
User 9
- fedora main site
-- and it should probably have a better link text
-- I mean, imagine reading it; Get Fedora 11 Desktop Edition Now
INSTALLABLE LIVE CD!
- get.fp.o
-- only thing is the "download now" link might not be obvious as a link
- Other
-- one last thing; the layout breaks on a small viewport (4-500px wide)
-- should have some minimal width limiter
-- http://w-wins.com/images/brokenlayout.png
Mixed from: UxerX and UserY (and others)
-- the front-page of fedoraproject.org is a bit non-descript
-- anonymous, if you will
-- since this is mostly about getting people to use it, I'd go for a
more "in your face" approach, have a direct download button on the
front page, larger logo, more "THIS IS FEDORA" :)
-- when the writing goes one word per line, things are bad
-- no prominent logos, nothing
-- i would have something similar to how firefox has theirs, short and
sweet with a bit of kapow
-- if i didn't know what fedora is i wouldn't immediately know what it was
-- ONE sentence explaining that "This is the Linux distro for you" and
a download button :)
-- that little blurb needs to be more bolder or something -- stand out more
-- I think part of the problem is that the lion image in the
navigation dominates there, without communicating anything (alt text
does not count)
-- I just think if you want people to actually download it, then
Download link needs to be the first thing that draws the eye
-- change the lion-image with a download fedora 11 button
-- http://www.getfirefox.com http://www.getsongbird.com >>> take
them as example
-- most people who visit your site won't want a tour. They want a
download link.
-- take a look at the get firefox page, i love what they have going on
at the bottom, short snappy bits of information
-- Make that big lion a download button, then have a tour button somewhere else
-- Or maybe you could have two buttons in that area...top one is tour,
bottom one is download
-- Yeah - I think what the fedora-page need is a clear goal and plan
for the page
-- the ubuntu website does it well, take note of that
-- is it a page mainly meant for getting Fedora?
-- then emphasize that
-- and make support, "what is" and all that other stuff less prominent
-- and less than 50 words on the main front page blurb
-- people are wanting immediate satisfaction nowadays
-- they don't want to search for information
-- they want a clear, concise text telling them what, why and where
-- especially important for a website of this type
14 years, 9 months
About torrent download Web
by James Lee (李朝陽)
Dear Madam / Sir,
I want to get old version Fedora. But, I can use right score bar on IE6. Address : http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
Thanks and Regards
James Lee
RDC Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
Tel : +886-3-666-2866 ext :179
Fax: +886-3-563-1498
E-mail : james.lee(a)rdc.com.tw <mailto:james.lee@rdc.com.tw>
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14 years, 9 months
j.fp.o design process strawman (criticism please!)
by Mel Chua
As I pore through Websites stuff tonight and think about how to tackle
join.fp.o, I'm realizing that I have a very dim notion (actually, "dim"
is generous) of what a good design process to go through for this kind
of thing would be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_design_process seems to... not
exactly fit, but I will stab in the dark and try to use it, and hope
better alternatives present themselves.
*Please* criticize this gameplan. It's put up here so that it can be
ripped apart - I'm stuck on finding a better way to think about this, so
I figured I'd try something (anything) and then let y'all tell me what
my mistakes are.
---
1. Identify a need: "j.fp.o doesn't really get people to join fedora."
2. Define the problem: I can think of several angles to tackle this from
- not sure which (if any) are useful ways of looking at this.
* Improve click-through percentages from j.fp.o to the "How To Join
$Group" page of any group. (If someone reads j.fp.o clicks through to
read step-by-step join instructions for at least one team, it counts as
a yes; if they read j.fp.o but don't read a team's join instructions
afterwards, it counts as a no.)
* Minimize the time it takes a newcomer to go from "I have started
reading j.fp.o because it looked interesting, and know nobody to help
me" to "I have made my first tracked project contribution." A good
target might be 90 minutes.
* Minimize the time it takes a newcomer to go from "I have started
reading j.fp.o because it looked interesting, and know nobody to help
me" to having a mentor contact and welcome them, and help them decide on
a first project to do. A good target might be 20 minutes. (yes, these
targets are ambitious.)
* For each successive release, raise the number of contributions made by
community members whose first contribution was towards that release.
(For instance, F12 contributions made by volunteers who first got
involved with Fedora during the F12 cycle.)
3. Conduct research: (This is where I am now, I am trying to figure out
the answers to these questions.)
* How can the above metrics be instrumented? (Is it possible to measure
them at all?)
* Who are the current users...
** looking at j.fp.o?
** finding j.fp.o helpful? (how?)
** not finding j.fp.o helpful (and disappearing rather than telling us
it didn't help them out? what would have made it useful to them?)
* Who do we want...
** looking at j.fp.o?
** joining our community? (Do we *want* to consciously set up a
minimum-effort barrier to encourage only the motivated? Are we trying to
get more non-code contributors?)
* Who is it that wants these people looking at and using j.fp.o (beyond
the Websites team)? Are there specific people on specific teams that
have particular recruiting needs, and who can offer to mentor newcomers
(or otherwise set up a newbie-contribution infrastructure for their
particular projects/teams)?
* What does the 'join' experience look like for other projects - what do
they consider? How do they compare, and what can we learn from them?
(The rest of the steps I'm not even going to think about just yet - this
is plenty to tackle for now.)
4. Narrow the research:
5. Analyzing set criteria:
6. Finding alternative solutions:
7. Analyzing possible solutions:
8. Making a decision:
9. Presenting the product:
10. Communicating and selling the product:
14 years, 9 months
self introduction
by Ádám Mészáros
Hi!
I'm Ádám Mészáros from Hungary and, i joined this group to help the fedora
project web dev team. :-) I'm the lead frontend developer of In4 Ltd. We
create a wiki+google + mashup-s in one like semantic web search engine and
database, width a lot of integration level. We have a portal engine,
embedable apps (i can show the early alphas, if you request a beta key at
http://iglue.com/beta/ , the demo2 is an annotation tool to tag your website
width iGlue infos, demo3 is our internal search engine).
Experiences:
langs/frameworks/appservers:
ActionScript 1-3 - 5 years
Flash dev.(not design) - 5 years
Flex 2-4 framework - 3 years
javascript - 4 years
- ExtJs - 1 year
- jQuerry - 2 years
- Moo Tools - 1/2 year
j2ee - 3 years (e-government applications)
- glassfish - 1 year
- tomcat - 3 years
- hibernate - 2 years
- the oracle side - 1 year (i develop a GIS frontend /w jDeveloper
10g)
- sun One infras. - 2 years
- jsr168/268 - 1 year
phyton - 2 years (web scraping and search engine
prototyping)
.net/mono framework - 5 years (e-government applications)
C# - 5 years
c++ (just the MSVC) - 3 years (1998 -2000 so its not an up to date
skill)
db:
mySQL - 5 years
msSQL - 9 years
postgresSQL - 2 years
Oracle (just 10g) - 1 year
monetDB - 1/2 year
berkleyDB - 1/2 year (fav!)
os:
Linux(fedora/redhat enterprise/ubuntu/gentoo) - 5 years
Mac - 9 years
Windows - 15 years
Interests:
- Explore programming languages, i upgrade my skills now in: Groovy, Scala,
Nimrod, Haskell, Ruby.
- Amateur web design, and photo retouch: Adobe Photoshop, Fireworks, Flash,
Illustrator
- Named entity recognition in natural languages (/w LingPipe + own
extensions and corpus)
- Music production /w Cubase/Digital Performer/Logic and a lot of hardver
synths and 2 guitar :-)
Cheers, Ádám Mészáros
14 years, 10 months
Re: Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 15
by Randolph Bentson
> From: Mel Chua <mel(a)redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Feedback gathered for fedoraproject.org and
> get.fedoraproject.org
...
> I wonder if "IP addresses that have dl'd one of the prior Fedora
> releases before" vs "IP addresses that have not downloaded Fedora
> before" would be a useful differentiation metric for this - it's
> hard to tell who's actually arriving at the site for what.
...
Hmm, except I and 3000 others are likely to visit the pages
via a small number of IP addresses our router use.
--
Randolph Bentson
Assistant Professor
Dept of Mathematics & Computer Science
University of Puget Sound
1500 N Warner St, #1043
Tacoma, WA 98416-1043
253-879-3470
rbentson(a)pugetsound.edu
14 years, 10 months
(no subject)
by Toni Arregui
Hallo, Webmaster,
I'm reinstalling Fedora 11, and this time it is taking a lot of hours (I began this morning, I'm now in the package 480 of 1157!!!), and I wonder if there' s a problem on the server here in The Netherlands or it is just that something crashed in my computer...
Greetings,
Toni
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14 years, 10 months
Meeting Log - 2009-07-10
by Ricky Zhou
/me still needs to learn to use meetbot - sorry about missing that this
week :-)
17:00 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here?
17:00 * markg85 is here
17:00 * ricky had a feeling this was going to be a quick one :-)
17:00 < hiran> hiran is here.
17:02 < ricky> hiran: Hey, are you new around the websites team?
17:02 < hiran> ricky : ya
17:02 < markg85> hiran, welcome ^_^
17:02 < ricky> Cool, welcome
17:02 < hiran> Thanks All
17:03 < ricky> OK, I guess let's get started
17:03 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks
17:03 < ricky> OK, so any updates on tasks for this week?
17:03 < markg85> o yea
17:04 < ricky> Go ahead :-)
17:05 < markg85> Well it was requested that feedback on fedoraproject.org and get.fp.o was gathered by me, hiemanshu and mizmo and i did it :)
17:05 < markg85> quite a lot of feedback actually
17:06 < markg85> so a link to it:
17:06 * markg85 looks for it
17:06 < markg85> http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt
17:07 < ricky> Cool - hopefully that'll be useful for the work mizmo was looking at with get-fedora
17:07 < ricky> She couldn't make this meeting, so we'll probably get updated on that next meeting or via the mailing list
17:08 < markg85> mizmo and i where looking at get-fedora and hiemanshu and i where looking at the main fedora page (or am i wrong now?)
17:08 < ricky> That sounds right
17:08 < ricky> OK - so quick update on the blogs.fp.o work that nb|away has been working on
17:09 < ricky> I think that's currently waiting on FAS auth and that's it
17:09 < ricky> There's at least a partial auth plugin that exists now, but it still has a lot of bugs to be worked out
17:10 * ianweller is here
17:10 < markg85> it's quite hard for me to get any further on those 2 sites now
17:10 < ricky> Busy with life? :-)
17:10 < markg85> i guess we need to discuss what's in the feedback but the persons required for that are not here
17:10 < ricky> ianweller: Hey
17:11 < ricky> markg85: Yeah, these past two weeks have been really busy for a lot of people
17:11 < markg85> ianweller, hi
17:11 < ricky> Feel free to ping on the mailing though
17:11 < ricky> I only have one update on my tasks, from just a few minutes ago :-)
17:11 < markg85> ricky, i would have expected a reply from them in the list where i posted the feedback. no reply yet
17:11 < ricky> I've made the first contact to the docs team about some of the thoughs we had on how docs.fp.o could be improved: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00057.html
17:12 < ricky> Hopefully that'll be received positively
17:13 < ricky> So any other updates on tasks right now?
17:13 < markg85> nope
17:14 < ricky> All right then
17:14 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor
17:14 < ricky> Does anybody have anything they want to discuss?
17:14 < ricky> I know it's kind ofa small meeting here today
17:14 < ricky> **of a
17:14 < ricky> For those reading the logs:
17:14 < ricky> If this time has started not working for you, we can certainly look at changing times too
17:15 < ricky> So please reply on list if that applies to you
17:15 < markg85> only that i would like 'feedback' on the feedback i gathered ^_^
17:15 < ricky> markg85: What I'd do is post a couple of questions about the feedback in response to your original post
17:15 < ricky> That should get you some responses
17:15 < markg85> will give that i try
17:15 < markg85> a*
17:15 < ricky> Thanks
17:16 < ricky> OK, so if there's nothing else, I'll close the meeting a few minutes
17:16 < ricky> hiran: Did you send a self-intro to list, by the way?
17:16 < hiran> ricky: no
17:17 < ricky> Ah, that'd be good to do when you get a chance so that people know you're here :-)
17:17 < hiran> but i have applied to the website team.
17:18 < ricky> There are a lot of changes being talked about with websites now - it's just hard to get everybody together at the same time :-/
17:18 < markg85> ricky, perhaps send a mail to the list today or tomorrow for the meeting next week?
17:19 < ricky> markg85: Sure, or maybe we can wait a day or two first to see if anybody responds to this week's logs and wants to look at changing the meeting itme
17:19 < ricky> **time
17:19 < ricky> But I'll definitely send it earlier for next week
17:19 < markg85> oke good
17:20 < ricky> Anyway, sorry this one went a bit short. Our meetings seem to always be either 10-15 minutes or >1.5 hours long, depending on how many people are here :-)
17:20 < ricky> Anyway,
17:20 -!- ricky changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Websites Meeting - Meeting Close
17:20 * ricky sends logs
14 years, 10 months
Re: Fedora-websites-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 13
by Mohammed Safwat
I have applied to websites group , but I'm still " unapproved".Is there any
other things to do I may be missing?
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> 1. Re: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-10 at 17:00 UTC (Ricky Zhou)
> 2. Re: Checksum validation instructions for Windows
> (Hiemanshu Sharma)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:31 -0400
> From: Ricky Zhou <ricky(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Websites Meeting - 2009-07-10 at 17:00 UTC
> To: fedora-websites-list(a)redhat.com
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> On 2009-07-10 10:40:46 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > I can't make it this week because of a business meeting. :( I have been
> > working on a mockup/redesign for get-fedora based on user feedback but
> > it's not quite complete yet.
> Awesome! We look forward to seeing how some of the x86_64/KDE issues
> can be solved. I guess you can Hiemanshu can find each other on IRC to
> talk about the user gallery sometime.
>
> Thanks,
> Ricky
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> From: Hiemanshu Sharma <hiemanshu(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Checksum validation instructions for Windows
> To: Todd Zullinger <tmz(a)pobox.com>
> Cc: webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org, Micha? Pecio <michal.pecio(a)gmail.com>
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> You can link and use HashCalc. Its a trusted software and i have been
> using it for quite some while on my other computers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hiemanshu sharma
>
> On 10/07/2009, Todd Zullinger <tmz(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> > Hi Michał,
> >
> > Michał Pecio wrote:
> >> There are instructions for ISO checksum validation on Windows
> >> available at
> >>
> >>
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en_US/sn-validating-fil...
> >>
> >> Maybe it would be a good idea to add link to Microsoft's own
> >> SHA1/MD5 calculator
> >> (
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=B3C93558-31B7-47...
> ).
> >> I've recently met a bit paranoid guy who complained on an Internet
> >> forum that he can't verify Fedora ISO checksum on his Windows system
> >> because your site doesn't provide any Windows utility for that and
> >> instead it only points to some 3rd party tools, which he doesn't
> >> trust.
> >
> > From a quick look, it doesn't appear that the MS tool can verify
> > SHA-256 checksums, which is what Fedora 11 and newer use (the burning
> > ISOs document needs to be updated, the documentation team is aware of
> > and working on that).
> >
> > It's rather unfortunate that there is such a lack of quality tools for
> > performing checksum verification available on the Windows platform.
> >
> > I can understand someone being averse to trusting a third party
> > verification tool, but at the same time, if that person is running
> > Windows they most certainly have much more to worry about. :)
> >
> > If you know of a reasonably trusted tool that can verify SHA-256
> > checksums on Windows, we'd be very interested to hear about it.
> >
> > --
> > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp<http://www.pobox.com/%7Etmz/pgp>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.
> > -- Thomas Paine
> >
> >
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>
> --
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>
> Hiemanshu Sharma.
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