From astavale@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 19 10:04:11 2015 From: Al Thomas To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:51:28 +0000 Message-ID: <5476.53130.qm@web29020.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1795465241124980674==" --===============1795465241124980674== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The current main image on http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ is a 200K PNG. This can easily be reduced in size 10 times to a 20K JPEG with negligible red= uction in image quality, i.e. 'Explore Fedora's possibilities' is still reada= ble. Just need to make sure the transparent corners are changed to white to m= atch the background. Also the F13 release banner could do with the same treatment. I can see both images being visibly drawn line by line as I download the page= and I'm on a fast broadband connection. To the casual browser on a slower co= nnection the page could be unbearably slow. Usually the Fedora release tour is really informative but to have no textual = link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_tour means this is hidden fo= r many people who quickly scan the page. I only found it after attempting to = redesign the F12 release front page! Just a change to=20 What's new in Fedora 13? Take the tour and read the release notes. >> instead of=20 What's new in Fe= dora 13? Read the release notes. >> would at least make people aware there is more information available. All the best for the release, Al =20 --===============1795465241124980674==-- From sijis@fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 19 10:04:11 2015 From: Sijis Aviles To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:08:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5476.53130.qm@web29020.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8707020055554547757==" --===============8707020055554547757== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Al Thomas wrote: > Hi, > > The current main image on http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ is a 200K PNG. > > This can easily be reduced in size 10 times to a 20K JPEG with negligible r= eduction in image quality, i.e. 'Explore Fedora's possibilities' is still rea= dable. Just need to make sure the transparent corners are changed to white to= match the background. > > Also the F13 release banner could do with the same treatment. > > I can see both images being visibly drawn line by line as I download the pa= ge and I'm on a fast broadband connection. To the casual browser on a slower = connection the page could be unbearably slow. > Great catch! I'll pass that along to design so we become more aware of things like this. I haven't noticed it since I typically look at the site locally on my system. > Usually the Fedora release tour is really informative but to have no textua= l link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_tour means this is hidden = for many people who quickly scan the page. I only found it after attempting t= o redesign the F12 release front page! Just a change to > > What's new in Fedora 13? =C2=A0Take the tour and read the release notes. >> > > instead of > > What's new in = Fedora 13? =C2=A0Read the release notes. >> > > would at least make people aware there is more information available. I did notice that the Tour page was blank. I thought it was still in progress. I found that the Tour page was replaced by https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes. I reached out to someone in Marketing and i got the details. In short, The Tour was deprecated in favor of the previous link, since F12. > All the best for the release, > > Al > We really appreciate your suggestions, ideas and patches. I know you sent a handful of patches a couple of weeks ago for the home page. I apologize but i have not reviewed them, however, I have them flagged and will get them to them after the release. Thanks again, Sijis --===============8707020055554547757==-- From bruno@wolff.to Thu Nov 19 10:04:11 2015 From: Bruno Wolff III To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [Design-team] Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20100517044716.GB6313@wolff.to> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3776955037777550659==" --===============3776955037777550659== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 23:08:05 -0500, Sijis Aviles wrote: > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Al Thomas wrote: > > > > The current main image on http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ is a 200K PNG. > > > > This can easily be reduced in size 10 times to a 20K JPEG with negligible= reduction in image quality, i.e. 'Explore Fedora's possibilities' is still r= eadable. Just need to make sure the transparent corners are changed to white = to match the background. > > > > Also the F13 release banner could do with the same treatment. > > > > I can see both images being visibly drawn line by line as I download the = page and I'm on a fast broadband connection. To the casual browser on a slowe= r connection the page could be unbearably slow. > > >=20 > Great catch! I'll pass that along to design so we become more aware of > things like this. > I haven't noticed it since I typically look at the site locally on my syste= m. You might first try doing lossless compression using optipng, pngcrush or advpng. If lossless compression (and dropping of metadata) doesn't save enough than look at using the convert command (part of ImageMagic) to reduce the number of colors. I would expect that blurring and noise reduction would allow better compression and would also reduce the image size. Shrinking and rexpanding should also allow for better compression. --===============3776955037777550659==-- From astavale@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 19 10:04:12 2015 From: Al Thomas To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [Design-team] Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:51:07 +0000 Message-ID: <650495.42344.qm@web29017.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20100517044716.GB6313@wolff.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4558936155832309511==" --===============4558936155832309511== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 17 May, 2010 5:47:16, Bruno Wolff III Wrote > You might first try doing lossless compression using optipng, pngcrush or > advpng. Wasn't aware of these, but here are the results of a quick test: Original: 200296 bytes Optipng (max optimisation - level 7): 199113 bytes (0.6% smaller) Jpeg from GIMP (78% quality): 20830 bytes (89.6% smaller) Quite a difference! Al --===============4558936155832309511==-- From astavale@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 19 10:04:12 2015 From: Al Thomas To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: <642742.99778.qm@web29001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5574683476445090639==" --===============5574683476445090639== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 17 May, 2010 5:08:05, Sijis Aviles Subject: Re: Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time= and add text link to F13 Tour >> Usually the Fedora release tour is really informative but to have no textu= al link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_tour means this is hidden= for many people who quickly scan the page. I only found it after attempting = to redesign the F12 release front page! Just a change to >> >> What's new in Fedora 13? Take the tour and read the release notes. >> >> >> instead of >> >> What's new in= Fedora 13? Read the release notes. >> >> >> would at least make people aware there is more information available. > I did notice that the Tour page was blank. I thought it was still in > progress. I found that the Tour page was replaced by > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes. I reached > out to someone in Marketing and i got the details. In short, The Tour > was deprecated in favor of the previous link, since F12. Yes, the one page release notes are much nicer to read for the casual browser= of the site. A draft has appeared there now along with a history of the idea= at: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-May/012856.html If the page is complete by release maybe "What's new in Fedora 13? Read the = release notes. >>" should point to the one page release notes instead of the = full version.=20 > We really appreciate your suggestions, ideas and patches. I know you > sent a handful of patches a couple of weeks ago for the home page. I > apologize but i have not reviewed them, however, I have them flagged > and will get them to them after the release. That's good to know, thanks. My general proposal is two fold: 1. Lot's of good information is too buried in the site, e.g. spins 2. Overall information architecture should make it easier for people to move = from New to Returner to Contributor=20 All the best, Al =20 --===============5574683476445090639==-- From giallu@gmail.com Thu Nov 19 10:04:12 2015 From: Gianluca Sforna To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [Design-team] Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:41:36 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <650495.42344.qm@web29017.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4338756557588131030==" --===============4338756557588131030== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Al Thomas wrote: > Wasn't aware of these, but here are the results of a quick test: > > Original:  200296 bytes > Optipng (max optimisation - level 7): 199113 bytes (0.6% smaller) > Jpeg from GIMP (78% quality): 20830 bytes (89.6% smaller) FTR: convert f13launch.png -quality 0 +dither -depth 8 +map outfile.png yields a 57K png file -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna --===============4338756557588131030==-- From sijis@fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 19 10:04:12 2015 From: Sijis Aviles To: websites@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [Design-team] Recommend change F13launch image to JPEG to reduce download time and add text link to F13 Tour Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5770982905402498561==" --===============5770982905402498561== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Al Thomas wrote: >> Wasn't aware of these, but here are the results of a quick test: >> >> Original:  200296 bytes >> Optipng (max optimisation - level 7): 199113 bytes (0.6% smaller) >> Jpeg from GIMP (78% quality): 20830 bytes (89.6% smaller) > > FTR: > convert f13launch.png -quality 0 +dither -depth 8 +map outfile.png > > yields a 57K png file > > -- > Gianluca Sforna > > http://morefedora.blogspot.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna > Gianluca thanks for the tip. I tried it and it works. I didn't notice any quality issues, so I've committed it to the website repo. It should show up in stg.fp.o in about an hour. Sijis --===============5770982905402498561==--