2:02 p.m.
What do you think about hosting Mailman through fp.org? Maybe a
separate host at lists.fedoraproject.org, but have the MX forward from
fp.org proper.
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com addresses.
We could migrate over the current lists and have everything redirect
through www.redhat.com? Or just have new lists come up there?
It will be painful to change people's habits. Is it worth it at this
point? Or better now than later?
- Karsten
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2:14 p.m.
On 11/16/05, Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> wrote:
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com <http://redhat.com> addresses.
talking about this, it would be nice if fedora ambassadors could receive
XXX(a)fedoracore.com or
XXX(a)fedoraproject.org
Chitlesh GOORAH
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2:24 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 20:14 +0000, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On 11/16/05, Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> wrote:
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to
people who
do not have @redhat.com addresses.
talking about this, it would be nice if fedora ambassadors could
receive
XXX(a)fedoracore.com or
XXX(a)fedoraproject.org
1. we don't house fedoracore.com that I know of and I, for one, don't
want a .com address at all if I can avoid it. :)
2. I don't see why ambassadors and other contributors can't have
fedoraproject.org addresses. Ask Alex about it.
-sv
2:28 p.m.
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On 11/16/05, *Karsten Wade* <kwade(a)redhat.com
<mailto:kwade@redhat.com>> wrote:
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com <http://redhat.com> addresses.
talking about this, it would be nice if fedora ambassadors could receive
XXX(a)fedoracore.com <mailto:XXX@fedoracore.com> or
XXX(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:XXX@fedoraproject.org>
For fedoraproject.org, this is up for discussing in the next ambassadors
meeting. We dont own fedoracore.com.
regards
Rahul
2:30 p.m.
On 11/16/05, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)redhat.com> wrote:
For fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org>;, this is up for
discussing in the next ambassadors
meeting. We dont own fedoracore.com <http://fedoracore.com>;.
lol i used it as an example :)
Chitlesh GOORAH
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2:15 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 12:02 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
What do you think about hosting Mailman through fp.org? Maybe a
separate host at lists.fedoraproject.org, but have the MX forward from
fp.org proper.
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com addresses.
We could migrate over the current lists and have everything redirect
through www.redhat.com? Or just have new lists come up there?
It will be painful to change people's habits. Is it worth it at this
point? Or better now than later?
- Karsten
It may break people's mail filters, so if it is going to be done I think
it would be best to announce it widely, and then do it. The number of
lists is only likely to get bigger...
(I now have 8 Fedora lists on my filter setup, and other people probably
have more).
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2:31 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 12:02 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
What do you think about hosting Mailman through fp.org? Maybe a
separate host at lists.fedoraproject.org, but have the MX forward from
fp.org proper.
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com addresses.
Do we need a lot more lists?
Is it difficult to get lists made now? I know if I find a strong need
for a fedora-project list I can just ask someone @redhat.com to request
it.
It will be painful to change people's habits. Is it worth it at
this
point? Or better now than later?
I'm still not sure we get enough out of it to justify doing it at all.
-sv
2:45 p.m.
Hi
Do we need a lot more lists?
Is it difficult to get lists made now? I know if I find a strong need
for a fedora-project list I can just ask someone @redhat.com to request
it.
With the content moving over, the more important point is probably the
difference in perception with hosting Fedora related mailings lists in
fedoraproject.org as opposed to redhat.com. Now to tackle bugzilla!
regards
Rahul
2:54 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 02:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
>Do we need a lot more lists?
>Is it difficult to get lists made now? I know if I find a strong need
>for a fedora-project list I can just ask someone @redhat.com to request
>it.
>
>
With the content moving over, the more important point is probably the
difference in perception with hosting Fedora related mailings lists in
fedoraproject.org as opposed to redhat.com. Now to tackle bugzilla!
umm, no.
let's not mess with moving bugzilla.
-sv
3:02 p.m.
Hi
>With the content moving over, the more important point is probably
the
>difference in perception with hosting Fedora related mailings lists in
>fedoraproject.org as opposed to redhat.com. Now to tackle bugzilla!
>
>
umm, no.
let's not mess with moving bugzilla.
That was more of a tongue in cheek comment.
regards
Rahul
3:11 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:02:39 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote
What do you think about hosting Mailman through fp.org? Maybe a
separate host at lists.fedoraproject.org, but have the MX forward from
fp.org proper.
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com addresses.
We could migrate over the current lists and have everything redirect
through www.redhat.com? Or just have new lists come up there?
It will be painful to change people's habits. Is it worth it at this
point? Or better now than later?
- Karsten
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I agree with the idea of having our own list server at fedoraproject.org.
Redirecting from redhat.com is also good idea but I don't mind creating
a new account on a new list server either.
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2:25 p.m.
I agree with the idea of having our own list server at
fedoraproject.org.
Redirecting from redhat.com is also good idea but I don't mind creating
a new account on a new list server either.
What do we get from having another mailman instance at
fedoraproject.org? Just the domain on the lists?
-sv
3:39 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 15:25 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
> I agree with the idea of having our own list server at
fedoraproject.org.
>
> Redirecting from redhat.com is also good idea but I don't mind creating
> a new account on a new list server either.
What do we get from having another mailman instance at
fedoraproject.org? Just the domain on the lists?
i) Distinct domain, better branding, separation of secular and
corporate.
ii) Ability to control lists from within the project, instead of being
beholden to a sponsor's overworked IS team[1]
iii) Creating a public website request methodology to allow people to
form e.g. international, language, or other topic based lists more
easily.
There still needs to be a level of IS-type control from within Fedora,
we don't want to be the SourceForge of any-mailing-list-you-can-dream-
of.
This idea was in response to seeing people wanting to open new mailing
lists but not knowing what to do. I'll bet that I'm one of about 15% of
Fedora involved Red Hat employees who knows how to request a mailing
list.
Why should I be the gateway to mailing lists?
Anyway, it's an idea that I am still mulling over, I'm not all decided
or nothing.
- Karsten
[1] By this I mean, _every_ IS team is overworked. :)
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7:34 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 12:02 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
What do you think about hosting Mailman through fp.org? Maybe a
separate host at lists.fedoraproject.org, but have the MX forward from
fp.org proper.
This way we could open the process of creating new lists to people who
do not have @redhat.com addresses.
We could migrate over the current lists and have everything redirect
through www.redhat.com? Or just have new lists come up there?
It will be painful to change people's habits. Is it worth it at this
point? Or better now than later?
I find it very convenient to have them all hosted on redhat. This
allows setting passwords and other mailman administrivia (changing email
addresses if my mail server goes down, etc) in a single location.
Changing to fedoraproject.org would only be one more mailman server I'd
have to work with but still, every little bit helps :-)
-Toshio
7:47 p.m.
I think that our long term goal should be to get as much as possible
(including mailing lists) off of the redhat.com namespace. I'm sure
that no matter what it will be quite a headache to move so much, but if
we are going to do it, now is the time.
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