1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs to/should happen once in a while.

2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I propose the addition of two new name spaces... a) Archive: (without talk pages) Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, and/or are no longer relevant to the general user Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. b) Meeting: (with talk pages) Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and board/committee/group meeting logs Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be optionally searched but not by default

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Nigel Jones wrote: > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this can be > used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of categories to > pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs to/should happen once in a > while. How do we use it? Do you have any examples? It sounds cool!

Nigel Jones wrote: > Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up > > 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this > can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of > categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs > to/should happen once in a while. > 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting > useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I > propose the addition of two new name spaces... > > a) Archive: (without talk pages) > Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, > and/or are no longer relevant to the general user > Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we > can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end > users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old > Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. > > b) Meeting: (with talk pages) > Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and > board/committee/group meeting logs > Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, > basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be > optionally searched but not by default There is a third... c) QA: (with talk pages) Purpose - Allow QA folks to store software test-cases off the beaten track Benefits - Ease of access for QA members, out of the way for users/developers, not searched on default, but still searchable if people want to Notes - This comes from https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/588 Testopia didn't quite work out and they are still unsure, so if noone has any objections, I'd like to approve this request on the basis of "It's okay with us, just let us know if/when you want to use it". Speak now or forever hold your peace!

Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 01:54 +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > >> Nigel Jones wrote: >> >>> Hi all, two items of business that I want to bring up >>> >>> 1) We now have a bot on the wiki, appropriately named Wikibot, this >>> can be used for general repetitive tasks such as en-mass addition of >>> categories to pages, and some general clean-up tasks that needs >>> to/should happen once in a while. >>> 2) Some pages are getting a bit too big, while some are getting >>> useless as time goes on (information for EOL releases. As such I >>> propose the addition of two new name spaces... >>> >>> a) Archive: (without talk pages) >>> Purpose - To allow archiving wiki pages pertaining to EOL releases, >>> and/or are no longer relevant to the general user >>> Benefits - With proper setup (not searched by default for instance) we >>> can help speed up searches and remove old information from general end >>> users, BUT still be there for those interested. Pages like the old >>> Extras and FSA pages come to mind immediately. >>> >>> b) Meeting: (with talk pages) >>> Purpose - Allow some separation of end-user based content and >>> board/committee/group meeting logs >>> Benefits - Marginal, similar to the purpose of Archive though, >>> basically, somewhere to keep meeting logs in a place where they can be >>> optionally searched but not by default >>> >> There is a third... >> >> c) QA: (with talk pages) >> Purpose - Allow QA folks to store software test-cases off the beaten track >> Benefits - Ease of access for QA members, out of the way for >> users/developers, not searched on default, but still searchable if >> people want to >> Notes - This comes from >> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/588 Testopia >> didn't quite work out and they are still unsure, so if noone has any >> objections, I'd like to approve this request on the basis of "It's okay >> with us, just let us know if/when you want to use it". >> >> Speak now or forever hold your peace! >> > > With the first two, there's a definite positive return in reducing the > visibility of the pages. In the former, it's the whole point, and in > the latter, it keeps long pages out of the limelight, while still > allowing searchability. > > But remember that one of the keys to Fedora is transparency. The > problems with Testopia can be solved in the medium-term, and the > reduction in searchability for QA stuff is, to me, not a win. Keep in > mind that I live with a highly-organized wife, so no slight intended, > but am I missing the point in this level of binning in the case of a QA: > namespace? > Okay, my understanding on the QA team's purpose for the namespace is this: * General pages (about the QA team, what they do) remain in the main namespace (under QA/*) * Testcases (what would have been in testopia) would be placed in the QA namespace (QA:*) It's a very subtle difference from what really is of interest to everyone (about the group) and what is specifically targetted to QA team members in Fedora and other FOSS projects. It's nowhere near something to pull the wool over someone's eyes.

* Testcases (what would have been in testopia) would be placed in the QA namespace (QA:*)