Welcome to the Fedora Xfce list.
I'd like to use this list to coordinate Xfce SIG activities and discuss
Xfce in Fedora. User comments/suggestions welcome as well as developer
I'd like to start doing SIG meetings on IRC around once a month as
well. Christoph has setup a matix for people to say when they might
best be available. If you are interested in attending, please go fill
Hopefully this will make it easier to get feedback from users and new
people helping out.
These questions were originally posted to the Spins SIG a couple weeks
ago. At the following SIG meeting, members suggested that these
questions would be better posed to the individual spin owners, or
teams that are working on the spins, in addition to the SIG. I have
collected the mailing lists and individual spin owner names for all
spins, current or historical, and included you in this mail. As a
Fedora contributor with specific interest in using Spins as a method
to reach specific audiences or cater to specific use cases, you are
uniquely qualified to answer these questions. Your time to
thoughtfully answer is appreciated.
As you may be aware, the Fedora Project Board is trying to set a more
clear vision for what Fedora is, and should be going forward. One
aspect of this conversation is Fedora's target audience. As Spins and
Remixes specifically seek to use Fedora to reach a particular audience
or cater to specific use cases, we seek your input to help guide our
Your responses to these questions would be appreciated. Fellow Board
member Colin Walters and I have agreed to poll the Spins and report
back to the Strategic Working Group and the Board as a whole.
Can Spins/SIGS or Fedora remixes define their own target audience?
The Board has been working on defining a target audience for
Fedora. In response to this, some people feel that Fedora should allow
sub-groups to define their own target audience. Or even more strongly
that Spins/SIGs should be the only groups defining target audience; in
other words, the Board should not be defining one. An example mail
supporting this position is this mail from Toshio .
However, the potential conflict between a Board target audience and a
SIG target audience is still theoretical. No SIG appears to have
explicitly disagreed with the "working" target audience proposal.
1. Board sets target audience broadly, spins tailor to a subset
2. Board sets target audience broadly, spins tailor to either a
subset thereof, or to additional audiences outside that scope so
long as there are no conflicts.
3. Board does not set target audience, leaves it to each Spin to
set their specific target audience.
1. requires spins to be much more than consumers of Fedora
2. audience of some spins may overlap. That's OK.
3. audience of some spins may technically conflict. How to
resolve conflicts? Spins -> FESCo -> Board.
As members contributing to Spins, how do you view the above, and how
would you like to see Spins interact with the larger Project with
respect to defining target audiences?
Can Spins/SIGS or Fedora remixes change the code enough to meet their
In the present situation, Spins must take all of their content from
the official Fedora repositories. Remixes may take content from
wherever, and modify as they see fit, but may not use the primary
Questions for Spins and the Spins SIG
Given the present situation:
1. Has any Spin found the present situation unduly restrictive?
1. If so, how specifically?
2. Has any Spin found they cannot address their target audience
1. If so, in what way?
2. Is the root problem that all packages must be in the
3. How are you addressing this today?
4. How would you like to address this in the future?
5. Are the resources you would need readily available?
1. If not, what would you need to properly address this?
6. Is the transition from "Spin" to "Remix" onerous?
1. If so, what can be done to make it less so?
Matt & Colin
As suggested by the subject line, the spins freeze is tomorrow and
I wanted to take a moment to make sure we are all happy with the
current application selection and general current state of the Xfce
Spin. Once the freeze happens I will be putting together a QA plan for
a Xfce Spin Test Day based on the application layout (and other
modifications) for the F13 Xfce Spin. Just wanted to see what peoples
thoughts were on this topic.
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Hi XFCE users,
I was trying to build my own F12 x86_64 XFCE LiveCD with some
compilers and bash completions but I am having some problems.
I started with the kickstarts available on fedora hosted,
I have a CD which supports a maximum of 700 MBs, so I reduced the
--size argument to part to 2772, removed @fonts and included only
three of my favourite fonts. I removed some more default packages to
make space for emacs, gcc, gcc-c++, and bash-completion. I then
included some edits to the %post section of the xfce kickstart to turn
Composing against the F12 release and updates repos, I get a 715 MB
image. When I boot the disc with KVM I can't switch to root, it asks me
for the root password.
What could be going wrong? Thanks for any insights.
Open source is the future. It sets us free.