I think we should bite the bullet and switch the spin over to lightdm.
If we run into things we cannot fix that are too bad, we can aways
switch back. Thoughts?
Additionally, You all may have seen adamw's call for test days for the
I think we should switch over to lightdm and make any other changes we
want very soon, and schedule an early test day. Would anyone out there
care to organize and run the test day?
In this cycle we would have:
Anything else we change soon.
I was just wondering what the numbers of downloads on this page measure.
If those are the correct numbers of total downloads, it would be kind of
sad that we are putting so much effort into it.
Could someone give the definition on how those numbers are calculated?
Hi everyone :)
Fedora is a super distro, Xfce a super desktop environment, and the Xfce
Spin is great.
But really not attractive. And I think that it's quite bad, as a lot of
users will think that Xfce is obsolete and crappy because of this old theme.
What about using Greybird (Gtk+Xfwm) and Elementary-icons or Faenza-icons ?
They are promoted by the Xfce project itself, and they are in our lovely
official Fedora repositories.
For example, a screenshot of my actual desktop (but AwOkEn is used on
the dock) : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1342315963.png
And if I can help, don't hesitate to ask (I've created an Openbox Fedora
Remix so I know a bit).
I would really enjoy contributing to the Xfce spin.
Please forgive me if my english is bad.
Alexandre "DarthWound" Singh
as you know, I appreciate your (and all the others') work for the Fedora
Xfce spin, and all the other jobs you do.
IYAM, livecd stuff should be fixed as the highest priority. Users would
benefit from it a lot more than all the other features. Otherwise they
would have to go through the long and nasty upgrade process from F17 to
Rawhide with an installed but unstable system.
Keep the good mood and heads up!
Am Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:00:15 +0000
> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:02 -0600
> From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com>
> To: xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Test day for F18 and switch to lightdm?
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> I think we should bite the bullet and switch the spin over to
> lightdm. If we run into things we cannot fix that are too bad, we can
> aways switch back. Thoughts?
> Additionally, You all may have seen adamw's call for test days for the
> f18 cycle:
> I think we should switch over to lightdm and make any other changes we
> want very soon, and schedule an early test day. Would anyone out there
> care to organize and run the test day?
> In this cycle we would have:
> Xfce 4.10
> Anything else we change soon.
Am Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:45:17 +0000
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:28:57 +0200
> From: Alexandre Singh <darthwound(a)gmail.com>
> To: Fedora Xfce users and developers <xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Albatross and Bluebird Xfce themes in updates-testing
> Message-ID: <50041719.9060204(a)gmail.com>
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> Le 16/07/2012 03:14, Jayson Rowe a écrit :
> > Good Evening all,
> > I have packaged the Albatross  and Bluebird  themes from The
> > Shimmer Project  for Fedora 16 and 17, and they are now in
> > updates-testing. These are to complement Greybird  also from The
> > Shimmer Project which is already in our repositories.
> > I've taken screenshots of Albatross  and Bluebird  for you to
> > check out as well.
> > Enjoy!
> > : http://shimmerproject.org/project/albatross/
> > : http://shimmerproject.org/project/bluebird/
> > : http://shimmerproject.org/
> > : http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/
> > :
> > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/packages/albatross/albatross.png
> > : http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/packages/bluebird/bluebird.png
> Good initiative, Albatross tested and approved, +1 karma on Bodhi.
> I'm gonna vote for your Bluebird theme too after testing it.
Personally, I like Bluebird. It looks similiar to QtCurve, doesn't it?
I am looking forward to have it included for the upcoming F18/Rawhide
I am reading a lot about feature requests here that belong only to a
IMHO, a spin should deliver the most useful applications of a special
matter, in our case Xfce. It's a great feature to have the availability
of so many different themes.
As Christoph and others have stated already and a lot of times, the
space on a CD image is limited. It has to be taken a decision what
features, therefore applications and other data, are important to show
as a demonstration case.
Everyone is free to install the spin to another media (hard drive, usb
stick, etc.) and customize it to its specific user needs, for instance
install more themes and play with them around.
There's also the possibility to create an own spin. I have never tried
that howto , maybe there's some special tweaking additionally needed?
It would be a good idea to start with a working spin definition like for
the Xfce spin it exits.
Well, the main question is: Is it worth to create an (officially
supported) extra spin , only for another *default* theme or at least
a nicer wall paper?! For personal usage, no question at all.
Just my 5 ct.
What's up everybody.
I've debated this mail for a while - I'm the 'new kid' around these
parts, but in a short time I've developed quite a passion around
Fedora, and especially the Xfce spin. I've put some thought and
research into this, so thanks for humoring me and reading.
As great as our spin is, I know it can be better. In reality anything
can be better - there should be a constant evolution of improvements.
I know as Xfce users, we are a smaller niche group from what would use
the default Desktop spin, or perhaps even the KDE spin. It is true,
however that Xfce is experiencing a spike in popularity lately.
Now, although I've only recently finally made the full switch back to
Fedora (I used RHL and Fedora through Core2 before switching) I only
regret not coming back sooner.
Now to the point at hand, how can we make Fedora's Xfce spin
first-class. I guess first, we have to define what *is* first class. I
loaded up different distros with Xfce in VM's and poked around, just
to see how they looked and felt, and my only real impressions were:
a) many aspects of panel layout/themes are very much personal preference
b) sadly, every Xfce 'spin' I tried felt at least somewhat more
polished than Fedora's out-of-the box presentation in one way or
There are tons of screenshots on the web, but here are mine from my
VMs (with my thoughts for each).
So - looks nice. Greybird is my favorite theme. The wallpaper has been
the same for at least 2, maybe 3 releases (I think, Charlie Kraviez
can correct me on this I'm sure as he was one the Xubuntu Project
I never liked the 'auto-hide' dock...in fact, I generally hate the
'extra' Xfce panel anyway. The Icons look nice, all of the icons in
the system tray match, everything looks smooth, integrated and blends
Sabayon 9: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/sabayon_9.png
Although not really a 'mainstream' distro, I really only loaded it up
out of curiosity to see what they had done w/ Xfce since most of the
reviews and stuff online focus on the GNOME and KDE spins of this
distro. I actually kinda like what they did. A 2 panel layout that
could easily appeal to GNOME2 refugees, but still different from a
GNOME2 layout. Again, nice icons, although everything doesn't match as
nicely as in Xubuntu, still looks pretty polished. The default theme
is nice (looks to be custom to the distro, perhaps) and the use the
default Xfce window decorations.
openSUSE 12.2 (Beta):
In terms of competition for similar user-bases, I would think of
openSUSE and Fedora to have the two most similar potential user bases.
I like the single panel layout, although the icons seems stock Xfce,
they look nicely integrated. The mixer applet on the panel (Gmixer)
doesn't seem to be in our repos, but the icon for it looks nicer than
the faded icon w/ the blue half-circles we have w/ the default Xfce
mixer applet. They are using Adwaita for a GTK theme, and a custom
window decoration (that seems closely based on the default Xfce
Linux Mint Debian Edition:
I find the GTK theme a little too 'white' (along w/ the default
wallpaper), but both the theme and window decorations seem to be
modified versions of Greybird. Green (aka Mint) icons, but all of the
icons match, look nicely integrated, and the system tray icons match,
except for using the same mixer icon we use.\
And now, we all know the default Fedora 17 look:
Here I will point out mainly what I don't like: First, I don't like
the borders around the clock and notification area...just looks
unfinished to me. I also wish the Applications Menu icon were the
Fedora logo. I think the Adwaita theme works well (supports GTK3), but
the Nodoka window decorations look dated. I hate the mixer icon, but
like the rest of the 'Fedora' icon set.
This next screenshot is how *I* would improve the look we have now,
sticking with a same/similar layout:
Changes? The Fedora logo for the Applications Menu, no borders around
the clock and notification area, and the default Xfce window
decoration. Before I took this screenshot, I also ugraded to 4.10, and
added the 'Action Buttons' plugin to the panel.
Next, I simply eliminate a *personal* pet peeve - the second, bigger
panel that doesn't take up the entire width of the screen. It seems
wasteful to me (especially with maximized windows). I also reduced the
top panel to 24px.:
The next layout would appeal to GNOME 2 refugees:
A second (24px) panel is added back, and a places applet displaying
label only is added to the top panel. Reduced the text of the App menu
button to just display 'Applications'. This layout looks very much
like GNOME2 (to me anyway).
Next, is a layout similar to what openSUSE had:
A single bottom panel, 24px.
Finally, is basically what I'm using:
It's the same as the last layout, but using Greybird and the
Elementary icon theme. For my personal use, I'm still a little torn
between this and Adwaita, however I think the Elementary icon theme
looks SO much nicer, even that ugly mixer icon is fixed ;-) It just
looks more polished and integrated. I know everyone doesn't like the
darker grey panel look/menus etc...
So...now that I've said all of that what do you think? Like I said, I
was torn about jumping in as a new guy with suggestions, but I figured
why not...the worst y'all could do is say 'go away, your bothering
me'...so I did it.
Other thoughts I've had is, what other things do we do as a 'SIG'. I
noticed an e-mail from Rex Dieter to fedora-devel speaking of a KDE
SIG meeting - have we as a SIG ever had IRC meetings? Would there be
any value? Would anyone attend? Since I'm just now jumping in, has
there been other recent discussion I've missed about plans for F18? I
know Kevin has spoken of moving to LightDM, and has included Greybird
as being installed by default in the spin for F18.
I'm not looking to ruffle feathers, just get discussion going and make
Fedora 18's Xfce spin even more awesome.
Thanks for reading!