As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that environment. Based on what's in the kickstart file for the XFCE spin, here's what I have for the XFCE: XFCE contains: desktop-backgrounds-compat Thunar xfce-utils xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-settings xfconf xfdesktop xfwm4 ConsoleKit fedora-icon-theme lightgdm-gtk gtk-xfce-engine gvfs leafpad NetworkManager-gnome openssh-askpass orage polkit-gnome Terminal thunar-archive-plugin thunar-volman tumbler xarchiver xfce4-appfinder xfce4-icon-theme xfce4-mixer xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session-engines xfwm4-theme-nodoka xscreensaver-base cheese catfish galculator seahorse ConsoleKit-x11 NetworkManager-vpnc NetworkManager-openvpn NetworkManager-pptp gnome-bluetooth xdg-user-dirs-gtk adwaita-cursor-theme adwaita-gtk2-theme adwaita-gtk3-theme greybird-gtk2-theme greybird-gtk3-theme greybird-xfce4-notifyd-theme greybird-xfwm4-theme albatross-gtk2-theme albatross-gtk3-theme albatross-xfwm4-theme bluebird-gtk2-theme bluebird-gtk3-theme bluebird-xfwm4-theme ristretto thunar-media-tags-plugin xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-cellmodem-plugin xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-dict-plugin xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-eyes-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-genmon-plugin xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mount-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes-plugin xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin xfce4-screenshooter-plugin xfce4-sensors-plugin xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-time-out-plugin xfce4-timer-plugin xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-websearch-plugin xfce4-xfswitch-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin xfwm4-themes and has the following 'options' available: xfce-apps epdfview midori claws-mail claws-mail-plugins-archive claws-mail-plugins-att-remover claws-mail-plugins-attachwarner claws-mail-plugins-bogofilter claws-mail-plugins-fetchinfo claws-mail-plugins-mailmbox claws-mail-plugins-newmail claws-mail-plugins-notification claws-mail-plugins-pgp claws-mail-plugins-rssyl claws-mail-plugins-smime claws-mail-plugins-spam-report claws-mail-plugins-tnef claws-mail-plugins-vcalendar liferea pidgin remmina remmina-plugins-rdp remmina-plugins-vnc transmission xfce-media asunder pavucontrol parole pragha xfburn xfce-office abiword gnumeric I welcome any and all sanity-checking of this, and ideas for additions/removals. You can open the current F18/F19 comps files and see the data that makes this up - the 'xfce-desktop' environment defines what groups go into XFCE, and which are shown as options, and the groups referenced there define what packages make them up. Ideally, once this is firmed up, we can even switch the kickstart in spins-kickstart to refer to these groups, and retire the old ones. This way selecting XFCE in anaconda for DVD/network installations would provide the same experience as the Live image where possible. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ xfce mailing list xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce

Suggestions, the XFCE group there has apps that should be optional: - NetworkManager-gnome

- openssh-askpass

- orage (if no panel plugin calls it by default; I don't have it so I think it it isn't required) - xarchiver

- xscreensaver-base

- cheese - catfish - galculator - seahorse - gnome-bluetooth Some of the above could go to the xfce-apps group (or other group)

and some maybe could be dropped altogether (depending on how basic one think they are) as they're needed only for some users (NetworkManager-gnome, openssh-askpass, gnome-bluetooth¹, seahorse) ¹ I don't have bluetooth but I've seen mentions that blueman is better. Plus the list needs to be reviewed as there are packages that are already dependencies of others (polkit-gnome → xfce4-session).

I would also either replace leafpad with geany or add it to the xfce4-apps group.

Also the more specific panel plugins could have a separate group. Basic ones that could stay (or go to xfce4-apps) are maybe: - xfce4-clipman-plugin (apps) - xfce4-datetime-plugin (basic) - xfce4-dict-plugin (apps) - xfce4-notes-plugin (apps) - xfce4-places-plugin (basic) - xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin (basic) - xfce4-screenshooter-plugin (basic) - xfce4-xfswitch-plugin (basic, needs a little tweaking to work with lightdm, I think) The others could go to a specific extra-panel-plugins group.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 14:24:51 -0300 Sergio <secipolla(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Suggestions, > > the XFCE group there has apps that should be optional: > > - NetworkManager-gnome I think we need this... how else are folks expected to use and manage their network?

Actually there is a NetworkManager-gtk, maybe that's only what's needed for Xfce.

Hi, Does Wicd handle mobile Internet connection as NM does? I thought it only supports WiFi and Ethernet connections.

Another app that may be considered to be added to some group is a graphical package manager (gpk/yumex).

Also some of the system-config tools.

Last time I checked, xguest wasn't working. It hasn't been updated since but I may try to help debugging it, if it's the case. Problem is that I have F17 and no space to install F18 but if xguest works properly, that's a package I would also include.

> Also some of the system-config tools. Some of those might make sense, but not others. I don't think we should include server type stuff.

19/08/2012 00:10, Miro Hrončok : > Hi, > Does Wicd handle mobile Internet connection as NM does? I thought it > only supports WiFi and Ethernet connections. Erf, you're right, Wicd lacks of this function if I remember well. -- Alexandre "DarthWound" Singh -[ http://darthwound.org ]- _______________________________________________ xfce mailing list xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce

Hi, It's me again - few app is missing from the list: - Clipboard manager: gClipit - Parcellite fork - http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtkclipit/ Anamnesis - stores clipboard history too - http://anamnesis.sourceforge.net/

- PDF viewer llpp — A very fast PDF reader based off of MuPDF, that supports continuous page scrolling, bookmarking, and text search through the whole document - http://repo.or.cz/w/llpp.git

qpdfview — A tabbed PDF viewer using the Poppler and QT libraries

- Personal search: Pinot - http://code.google.com/p/pinot-search/

- Simple log watcher: Swatch - http://sourceforge.net/projects/swatch/

Hi Pragha and Parole are "official" Xfce players, same thing for Midori as a browser and Mousepad as an editor.

And it seems that Squeeze is a dead project, Xarchiver replace it.

Hi I have few suggestion - maybe we can use with them the desktop experience adding or replacing them: - Instead of liferea to have RSS: Tickr - RSS reader - http://newsrssticker.com/ Urssus - RSS reader, pxqt based - https://code.google.com/p/urssus/

- Media player: Guayadeque - universal media player - http://guayadeque.org/forums/index.php?p=/page/Home

- Instead of cheese: gUVCview (already in repos), much more smaller, almost no dependency

- Instead of Midori: NetSurf - http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

- Editor: Instead of Leafpad - Medit - http://mooedit.sourceforge.net/

- Instead of Xarchiver: - Squeeze - http://squeeze.xfce.org/