11:45 a.m.
Hi all,
The Docs Project are about to send the Fedora 15 Beta Release Notes off
to the translators, which is essentially their 'feature freeze' for
Fedora 15.
I've included some of the highlights of Xfce 4.8, but I was wondering if
a decision has been made about the display manager for the Xfce Spin? As
far as I understand it, GDM seems to have disqualified itself, SLiM is
unmaintained, LXDM didn't seem to score many votes, and lightdm was
mentioned but is still in the process of being packaged.
If we are going to plump for one of these options then it would be great
to get it into the release notes. Last minute inclusion is possible but
creates a lot of extra work for the Docs Project and the Translation
team.
Any thoughts?
Nathan
Docs Project / Xfce SIG
12:12 p.m.
Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 16:45 +0000 schrieb Nathan Thomas:
I've included some of the highlights of Xfce 4.8, but I was
wondering
if a decision has been made about the display manager for the Xfce
Spin? As far as I understand it, GDM seems to have disqualified
itself,
GDM *should* work again, however we haven't tried.
SLiM is unmaintained,
sad but true
LXDM didn't seem to score many votes,
in fact people don't seem to have a problem with it, but I have:
* no timed login
* no keyboard selection
* no polkit aware, you can shutdown while a user is logged in
The funny thing is, that GDM used to support all of the above, but no
longer does. This being said the only difference is that GDM supports
fast user switching.
and lightdm was mentioned but is still in the process of being
packaged.
it is packaged but doesn't work with out prefdm script because the
script adds a "--nodaemon" parameter that lightdm doesn't like and
therefore quits.
I think we cannot yet make a final decision, I'd like to hear some
opinions first.
Does this really need to go into the release notes?
Regards,
Christoph
2:03 p.m.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:12:35 +0100
Christoph Wickert wrote:
in fact people don't seem to have a problem with it, but I have:
* no timed login
IMHO this shouldn't be show-stopper, but would be nice
to have
* no keyboard selection
IMHO this is a show-stopper.
* no polkit aware, you can shutdown while a user is logged in
IMHO, not show-stopper, but would be nice to have, along with fast user
switching.
The funny thing is, that GDM used to support all of the above, but
no
longer does. This being said the only difference is that GDM supports
fast user switching.
LOL
> and lightdm was mentioned but is still in the process of being
> packaged.
it is packaged but doesn't work with out prefdm script because the
script adds a "--nodaemon" parameter that lightdm doesn't like and
therefore quits.
Does not look like something that should be hard to fix. Does it
satisfy our needs otherwise (i.e. can choose xfce session, can choose
language/keyboard, can shutdown/restart, autologin, polkit integration)?
I think we cannot yet make a final decision, I'd like to hear
some
opinions first.
I personally grew to like LXDM, but the missing keyboard selection is a
problem we must take into account :(
Martin
6:01 p.m.
On 03/23/2011 07:12 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 16:45 +0000 schrieb Nathan Thomas:
> I've included some of the highlights of Xfce 4.8, but I was wondering
> if a decision has been made about the display manager for the Xfce
> Spin? As far as I understand it, GDM seems to have disqualified
> itself,
GDM *should* work again, however we haven't tried.
GDM is what I use on F15-alpha and it "works" for the very little I need
from it ... apart from the funny little glitches like throwing you out
of your session if you add/modify any user account data such as using
useradd/usermod/userdel.
> SLiM is unmaintained,
sad but true
> LXDM didn't seem to score many votes,
in fact people don't seem to have a problem with it, but I have:
* no timed login
* no keyboard selection
* no polkit aware, you can shutdown while a user is logged in
The funny thing is, that GDM used to support all of the above, but no
longer does. This being said the only difference is that GDM supports
fast user switching.
> and lightdm was mentioned but is still in the process of being
> packaged.
it is packaged but doesn't work with out prefdm script because the
script adds a "--nodaemon" parameter that lightdm doesn't like and
therefore quits.
I think we cannot yet make a final decision, I'd like to hear some
opinions first.
Well, for me the timed login, keyboard selection etc aren't issues at
all. However I can easily see them being highly important for others.
Looking through the gdm bugzilla items, there's preciously little
comments about eg keyboard selection related bugs (there are more than a
couple). Dunno... GDM used to be nice, feature-rich and configurable but
it seems over time all of that (or at least the documentation how to do
it if still possible) has been flushed down the drain :-/
- Panu -
8:46 p.m.
Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert@...> writes:
...
> SLiM is unmaintained,
sad but true
Hi,
Some days ago i tried to replace gdm with slim, but this gave me the
problem that one could not access the system devices (soundcard, gfx hardware
opengl missing etc.) properly, because of broken pam/consolekit support in slim.
then I did the following:
1. applied a slim-1.3.2-ck.patch
----------------cut------------------
Index: slim-1.3.2/app.cpp
================================================
--- slim-1.3.2-orig/app.cpp
+++ slim-1.3.2/app.cpp
@@ -236,7 +236,6 @@
pam.start("slim");
pam.set_item(PAM::Authenticator::TTY, DisplayName);
pam.set_item(PAM::Authenticator::Requestor, "root");
- pam.set_item(PAM::Authenticator::Host, "localhost");
}
catch(PAM::Exception& e){
----------------cut------------------
2. appended
"session required pam_ck_connector.so"
to the slim.pam file
with these two fixes f14's slim plays just nice here.
maybe one should also update the symlink to slims default-background image to
reflect the current release artwork.
hope this helps,
cheers lars
12:20 p.m.
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 18:12 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 16:45 +0000 schrieb Nathan Thomas:
> I've included some of the highlights of Xfce 4.8, but I was wondering
> if a decision has been made about the display manager for the Xfce
> Spin? As far as I understand it, GDM seems to have disqualified
> itself,
GDM *should* work again, however we haven't tried.
> SLiM is unmaintained,
sad but true
> LXDM didn't seem to score many votes,
in fact people don't seem to have a problem with it, but I have:
* no timed login
* no keyboard selection
* no polkit aware, you can shutdown while a user is logged in
The funny thing is, that GDM used to support all of the above, but no
longer does. This being said the only difference is that GDM supports
fast user switching.
> and lightdm was mentioned but is still in the process of being
> packaged.
it is packaged but doesn't work with out prefdm script because the
script adds a "--nodaemon" parameter that lightdm doesn't like and
therefore quits.
I think we cannot yet make a final decision, I'd like to hear some
opinions first.
Does this really need to go into the release notes?
No need for this to go into the release notes, though if we do decide to
change it either now or in the future it would be nice to mention it for
all those who boot up expecting GDM!
Nathan
12:45 p.m.
Am Mittwoch, den 30.03.2011, 18:20 +0100 schrieb Nathan Thomas:
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 18:12 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>
> Does this really need to go into the release notes?
>
No need for this to go into the release notes, though if we do decide
to change it either now or in the future it would be nice to mention
it for all those who boot up expecting GDM!
Are the changes in GDM (auto instead or timed login, lack of language
and keyboard selection) documented?
Regards,
Christoph
4:49 p.m.
So, we are down to the wire here...
We should decide if we want to:
a) Switch back to gdm (which should be done BEFORE Beta).
or
b) Stick with lxdm
lxdm is working here, but I don't feel strongly about sticking to it or
going back to gdm.
Votes? Thoughts? Strong feelings?
kevin
5:02 p.m.
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 15:49 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, we are down to the wire here...
We should decide if we want to:
a) Switch back to gdm (which should be done BEFORE Beta).
or
b) Stick with lxdm
lxdm is working here, but I don't feel strongly about sticking to it or
going back to gdm.
Votes? Thoughts? Strong feelings?
I don't really care, as long as it works.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
3:38 p.m.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:45:48 +0100, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 30.03.2011, 18:20 +0100 schrieb Nathan Thomas:
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 18:12 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> >
> > Does this really need to go into the release notes?
> >
>
> No need for this to go into the release notes, though if we do decide
> to change it either now or in the future it would be nice to mention
> it for all those who boot up expecting GDM!
Are the changes in GDM (auto instead or timed login, lack of language
and keyboard selection) documented?
Regards,
Christoph
Sorry, must have missed this email - yeah, the GDM changes will be covered
in the GNOME section.
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