12:42 p.m.
I just talked to Richard Hughes about some update notification stuff for
Fedora 15, and this nugget came up:
<adamw> hughsieafk: oh, sorry, one other thing - is the update
notification fd.o notification area icon still going to exist for other
desktops to use?
<hughsieafk> adamw, no, that's gone completely
<adamw> hughsieafk: ah, so we're going to lose update notification for
xfce/lxde unless they come up with their own thing. i'll let them
know...
<hughsieafk> adamw, we're still using libnotify so xfce will get
notified, but no icon showing state
AIUI, this means there won't be any notification area icon for update
availability notification in gnome-packagekit for F15. So Xfce (and
LXDE) may need to come up with an alternative arrangement. I'm not sure
exactly what the libnotify support will result in, but this is
definitely something to look at. I'm CCing Richard in case he can
provide any additional details.
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1:14 p.m.
On 15 March 2011 17:42, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
AIUI, this means there won't be any notification area icon for
update
availability notification in gnome-packagekit for F15. So Xfce (and
LXDE) may need to come up with an alternative arrangement. I'm not sure
exactly what the libnotify support will result in, but this is
definitely something to look at. I'm CCing Richard in case he can
provide any additional details.
If XFCE and LXDE can support the persistent notifications extension to
notification-daemon then it work as well as it does in gnome-shell.
Otherwise, I think it makes sense for XFCE and LXDE to have their own
lightweight notification icon integration for PackageKit, much like
KDE has with KPackageKit. If that's something that's desired, grab me
on #PackageKit and I'll help somebody out with details. It's probably
a hundred or so lines of C, and I would even ship it in
gnome-packagekit if such a thing was contributed.
Richard.
11:49 a.m.
On 03/15/2011 08:14 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 15 March 2011 17:42, Adam Williamson<awilliam(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> AIUI, this means there won't be any notification area icon for update
> availability notification in gnome-packagekit for F15. So Xfce (and
> LXDE) may need to come up with an alternative arrangement. I'm not sure
> exactly what the libnotify support will result in, but this is
> definitely something to look at. I'm CCing Richard in case he can
> provide any additional details.
If XFCE and LXDE can support the persistent notifications extension to
notification-daemon then it work as well as it does in gnome-shell.
Otherwise, I think it makes sense for XFCE and LXDE to have their own
lightweight notification icon integration for PackageKit, much like
KDE has with KPackageKit. If that's something that's desired, grab me
on #PackageKit and I'll help somebody out with details. It's probably
a hundred or so lines of C, and I would even ship it in
gnome-packagekit if such a thing was contributed.
I hacked up a semi-working skeleton of this today (thanks Richard for
the tips) basically just for a refreshing break to do Something
Completely Different for a change, will probably send patch(es) once its
in presentable shape. For what little it does now (show up in the system
tray when updates come available, click to launch gpk-update-viewer to
do the heavy lifting) the ~100 lines of C was fairly accurate estimate :)
OTOH... I dunno whether the time would be better spent adding support
for the persistent notification extension to XFCE libsystray plugin
(whatever that would in practise, haven't looked at it yet). Thoughts?
- Panu -
10:38 a.m.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:49:31 +0200
Panu Matilainen <pmatilai(a)laiskiainen.org> wrote:
I hacked up a semi-working skeleton of this today (thanks Richard for
the tips) basically just for a refreshing break to do Something
Completely Different for a change, will probably send patch(es) once
its in presentable shape. For what little it does now (show up in the
system tray when updates come available, click to launch
gpk-update-viewer to do the heavy lifting) the ~100 lines of C was
fairly accurate estimate :)
Excellent! ;)
OTOH... I dunno whether the time would be better spent adding
support for the persistent notification extension to XFCE libsystray
plugin (whatever that would in practise, haven't looked at it yet).
Thoughts?
Not sure. Might be more a question for upstream...
kevin
11:15 a.m.
Am Donnerstag, den 17.03.2011, 09:38 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:49:31 +0200
Panu Matilainen <pmatilai(a)laiskiainen.org> wrote:
> I hacked up a semi-working skeleton of this today (thanks Richard for
> the tips) basically just for a refreshing break to do Something
> Completely Different for a change, will probably send patch(es) once
> its in presentable shape. For what little it does now (show up in the
> system tray when updates come available, click to launch
> gpk-update-viewer to do the heavy lifting) the ~100 lines of C was
> fairly accurate estimate :)
Excellent! ;)
+1. Where can we grab the code?
> OTOH... I dunno whether the time would be better spent adding
> support for the persistent notification extension to XFCE libsystray
> plugin (whatever that would in practise, haven't looked at it yet).
> Thoughts?
Not sure. Might be more a question for upstream...
Mattias already brought this up on the Xfce list at
http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-March/028465.html
but so far there is no reply.
Regards,
Christoph
6:39 p.m.
On 03/17/2011 06:15 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 17.03.2011, 09:38 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:49:31 +0200
> Panu Matilainen<pmatilai(a)laiskiainen.org> wrote:
>
>> I hacked up a semi-working skeleton of this today (thanks Richard for
>> the tips) basically just for a refreshing break to do Something
>> Completely Different for a change, will probably send patch(es) once
>> its in presentable shape. For what little it does now (show up in the
>> system tray when updates come available, click to launch
>> gpk-update-viewer to do the heavy lifting) the ~100 lines of C was
>> fairly accurate estimate :)
>
> Excellent! ;)
+1. Where can we grab the code?
Nowhere at the moment. I'm pondering what, if anything, to do with it.
The PackageKit update notifications seem to be completely broken on F15
at the moment, regardless of the desktop, persistent notification server
or not. Also according to the spec, clients are supposed to check
whether the notification daemon supports persistence and provide
"old-style" status icons by themselves if not. So assuming the other
things actually work (helluva lot of things in current F15 are broken,
so hard to say), no notifications should be missed because of missing
persistance support in the current xfce4-notifyd.
It's possible that an entire lightweight system-update applet/plugin +
viewer application for XFCE makes sense, but for now I'll keep that on
hold: either we get the whole gnome-dependency stack via
gpk-update-viewer anyway, or we get to reimplement a whole lot of nearly
identical code just to avoid a bunch of gnome libs.
>> OTOH... I dunno whether the time would be better spent adding
>> support for the persistent notification extension to XFCE libsystray
>> plugin (whatever that would in practise, haven't looked at it yet).
>> Thoughts?
>
> Not sure. Might be more a question for upstream...
Mattias already brought this up on the Xfce list at
http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-March/028465.html
but so far there is no reply.
I had a closer look at the stuff and I have to say I'm not terribly
impressed with what the "new notification spec", or Gnome 3
implementation of it, has to offer. It all seems just that little bit
besides the whole point and potentially causing /extra/ annoyance from
notifications (if you're in a mood to be annoyed by the notifications)
than actually help it. This seems much, much more like it:
http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5806
Also if interested about the outcome, here's the RFE discussion bug
about the persistent notifications:
http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7437
- Panu -
2:41 p.m.
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 01:39 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
Nowhere at the moment. I'm pondering what, if anything, to do
with it.
The PackageKit update notifications seem to be completely broken on F15
at the moment, regardless of the desktop, persistent notification server
or not.
I'm getting update notifications in GNOME 3 since:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=234079
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