Hi All, Any sign of a spine for 24 yet? -T

On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 10:28:35AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > Hi All, > > Any sign of a spine for 24 yet? > you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking > for. Well, there doesn't seem to be an XFCE spin at https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/ although there was one at https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/24_Beta-1.4/Spins/x86_64/iso/

On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's.

You can get more space if you use the command line to create the stick. But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you can get a larger home directory.

Would you like my notes on such?

On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote: > > You can get more > space if you use the command line to create the stick. > But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you > can get a larger home directory. Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by writing the home directory back onto the stick? Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even additional useful dnf installs? > Would you like my notes > on such? > Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on machines. regards, Ron

On 05/12/2016 10:59 AM, Ron Leach wrote: > On 12/05/2016 17:36, ToddAndMargo wrote: >> >> You can get more >> space if you use the command line to create the stick. >> But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you >> can get a larger home directory. > > > Would you say that again, Todd? Are you saying that the live spin, if > placed on a USB stick, provides a home directory that persists between > use on different machines? And that the persistence is achieved by > writing the home directory back onto the stick? > > Do any changes outside home also persist? Such as in /etc, or even > additional useful dnf installs? > >> Would you like my notes >> on such? >> > > Does the list permit attachments? I'd be interested in having a look at > them. I like the xfce desktop on Fedora for doing quick checks on > machines. > > regards, Ron Hi Ron, There are three things I had to wrap my head around with livecd-iso-to-disk: 1) you must the the EXACT version of Fedora that livecd-iso-to-disk was written for. you must use the same version of Fedora that the LIVE iso is spun for. so you have to cut Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso on Fedora 23. and don't ask me why. The answer I got back was that the uses files from the system it is running and they have to match. The author has told me several time not to use his script on Scientific Linux, but on the exact version of Fedora only. 2) persistence means "use and lose". You can install programs to the point were the tiny persistence storage fills up, then it is gone. If you erase something from it, you still never get that space back. So you can NEVER reuse the space. Persistance is covered by the "--overlay-size-mb" flag. And regardless of what anyone says, the maximum size is 4095. This has to do with presistence using some kind of virtual machine based on a vfat partition. 3) Ah! We also have a "home" directory and that acts like a normal hard drive. You can add and delete. The home directory is covered by the "--home-size-mb" flag. And you can have any size that fits on your stick. Start with a huge size and it will wag the finger at you, letting you know the maximum size. The following cut on a Kingston DTR3.0G2 16 GB mounted on /dev/sdc. Change to the appropriate dev and make sure you don't wipe something else out by accident with "dd": Erase the flash drive (or it will reuse the partition structure) # dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc Cut the live stick # livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --delete-home --home-size-mb 8829 --overlay-size-mb 4095 --unencrypted-home Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc Hope that helps, -T

On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote: > On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> Hi Todd, >> >> On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote: >>> On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> [...] >>> >>> Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. >>> I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work >>> on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It >>> still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's. >> >> Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. >> Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of >> course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..) >> >> I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you >> cared to share some more info / experience. >> >> Lorenzo > > Hi Lorenzo, > > As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more > space if you use the command line to create the stick. > But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you > can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes > on such? Thanks Todd. Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to have a look :) Lorenzo.

On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > > On 12/05/2016 18:36, ToddAndMargo wrote: >> On 05/11/2016 02:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >>> Hi Todd, >>> >>> On 10/05/2016 23:16, ToddAndMargo wrote: >>>> On 05/09/2016 08:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> [...] >>>> >>>> Haven't had a chance to test the guy in any customer's machines. >>>> I like to keep up to date with Live USB so that it will work >>>> on my customer's new machines. So far, no problem with fc23. It >>>> still seems to boot everywhere, even on excruciatingly weird MAC's. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing, this is really cool to know. >>> Do you also have persistence? Performance-wise what's your feel (of >>> course I imagine it depends a lot on the use case and scenario..) >>> >>> I'm rather interested about this scenario so it's would be great if you >>> cared to share some more info / experience. >>> >>> Lorenzo >> >> Hi Lorenzo, >> >> As far as I can tell, it is the same. You can get more >> space if you use the command line to create the stick. >> But you still have a 4 GB persistence limit, but you >> can get a larger home directory. Would you like my notes >> on such? > > Thanks Todd. > Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to > have a look :) > > Lorenzo. I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days.

On 05/13/2016 04:58 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 13/05/16 18:19, ToddAndMargo wrote: >> On 05/13/2016 01:21 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

>>> Thanks Todd. >>> Well, if you're willing to share it would definitely be interesting to >>> have a look :) >>> >>> Lorenzo. >> >> I got really busy. I will write back in a couple of days. > > Cool! No hurry here :) See my response to Ron :-)

On Sunday, May 8, 2016 1:23:51 PM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote: > Hi All, > > Any sign of a spine for 24 yet? > > -T you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for. Dennis

On Monday, May 9, 2016 10:14:51 AM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote: > On 05/09/2016 08:28 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 1:23:51 PM CDT ToddAndMargo wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Any sign of a spine for 24 yet? >>> >>> -T >> >> you will need to provide more details as wto what you are asking for. >> >> Dennis > > Hi Dennis, > Typo. I wrote "spine" instead of "spin". :'[ > > Matthew found it for me. > > -T there ia ongoing bug in anaconda that causes random failures in creating the livemedia. It is there some days and not others. Dennis