List, a testing difficulty. Installed F14 RC3 XFCE from the CD-sized image released by Kevin on Sept 30. Netbook is Samsung NB30, and dual boots F14 RC3 or XPhome. WiFi is built-in; there is no physical on/off button for it, but a softkey combination, 'Function key' and F9, switch WiFi off and on in Windows XPhome. Under F14, Network manager does not seem to recognise any WiFi access points and, after adding some, still does not see them to connect to. The 'network icon' in the panel has a 'red cross' against it. I have also tried F13 XFCE spin (live CD) and F13 does not find the wireless system, either. If I connect a wired Ethernet cable, the network connects using the wired system. I wonder if the WiFi module is not switching on, or being switched on? On a different netbook, Acer AspireOne (on which F13 XFCE is installed), while F13 does find the inbuilt wireless system and lights a WiFi LED, the F14 RC3 XFCE liveCD does not find the wireless, and the WiFi LED on the AspireOne does not light. I'll do some more checks of dmesg to see how far F14 gets in finding the WiFi system. Are there other files I should check? regards, Ron