Re: [fedora-classroom] We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
8:59 p.m.
FYI, i've started a similar quest, and i'd like to share with you:
http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/escuela/2010/11/05/where-should-we-begi...
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:58:18 -0500
From: David Ramsey <diamond_ramsey(a)hotmail.com>
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
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For example, I am interested in Virtualization, SELinux and System
Administration.
I think everyone of this is rather difficult to fit into the
one-and-a-half hour timeframe for Fedora Classroom's sessions.
Maybe a model we could try is what Gleducar southamerican association
is running in its "Campus": http://moodle.gleducar.org.ar/
They run several "Self-taught groups" separated in several groups in
its moodle. There is one for moodle itself, plus others like Joomla!,
mediawiki, wordpress, HTML5/CSS3, and so on.
Another one is Squeak/Etoys, and its application to teaching at K12
schools, in the moot of another similar efforts of teaching kids with
Logo, Scratch and other programming-driven methodologies. I think
Alberto Bonacina could be interested in not what free apps we have for
teaching, but how we actually deploy courses for engaged learning.
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:45:39 +0100
From: Alberto Bonacina <bonacina.alberto(a)gmail.com>
2011/1/15 David Ramsey <diamond_ramsey(a)hotmail.com>:
* What Fedora Classroom Topics, are you interested in?
I'm interested in FreeSoftware for Learning, I made also a university
degree thesis about this topic.
Greetings,
Alberto Bonacina
I've talked with Karsten Wade a couple of months ago, and shared with
him and in Category:Fedora School in our wiki, an initiative to run a
moodle hosting courses for Fedora users and contributors. At Fedora
Latam we are beginning to run http://moodle.proyectofedora.org/ but the
real question is:
We need "teachers" for user-driven courses helping each other to hack
with real problems using the software provided by Fedora Project. This
could amplify the effort today invested in mailing lists and wiki,
engaging people sharing the effort to use (and contribute to) our
documentation, and apply it to their daily tasks.
What do you think? Would you like "Groups of self-teaching" about
SELinux, publican, Virtualization, Design and Accessibility, SCM with
tools like git, Sysadmin tools and SOPs?
Are you interested in become a teacher with moodle for Fedora Project?
Best regards.
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12:52 p.m.
New subject: We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:59:31 -0600
Jesús Franco <jefrancomix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FYI, i've started a similar quest, and i'd like to share with
you:
http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/escuela/2010/11/05/where-should-we-begi...
Interesting post. ;)
I think moodle can work well with irc and other media classes. You
could have the irc class part be a 'workshop' for the more formal
moodle class, or a hands-on session about some particular unit or the
like. ;)
Hopefully we can get some irc classes going as well as adding more
things like moodle into the mix.
kevin
4:17 a.m.
New subject: We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
El dom, 16-01-2011 a las 11:52 -0700, Kevin Fenzi escribió:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:59:31 -0600
Jesús Franco <jefrancomix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI, i've started a similar quest, and i'd like to share with you:
>
http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/escuela/2010/11/05/where-should-we-begi...
Interesting post. ;)
Nice you say so :)
I think moodle can work well with irc and other media classes. You
could have the irc class part be a 'workshop' for the more formal
moodle class, or a hands-on session about some particular unit or the
like. ;)
I've thougt a little about which kind of sessions could fit well. They
should be short, useful for users and contributors, and reusable as
modules to courses apart from "standalone" classes.
Let me think aloud on examples of tools worth to learn, and fruitful at
its very beginning, i think we can schedule if we get teachers for that.
= GIT =
It's very spread its use in Fedora, and not just for developers,
translators, writers, even designers. We can run 1-2 hands-on sessions
with stuff like:
** Create your repo in your fedorapeople space; (github as fallback?)
** Share it with your first contributors;
** Commit, commit, commit! And don't forget push.
** Clone a friend's repo and play together!
** Create a branch and change things all around.
** Are you lost? Just reset!
** Howto mix a friend's changes with your work (patches and merges).
** Explore everything as you like and share it with the world. (GUIS)
== Kinda of follow-up ==
*** Moodle-forums could serve to exploring deeply on our students
figuring out how to get some things done; hopefully helping each other.
= PUBLICAN-Docbook =
Of course this would demand a deep course by its own, and i'm pretty
sure it would be a way to get more people confident to contribute to
docs project guides. Meanwhile, for a single workshop:
** Write your first Article in Publican.
*** Essential concepts and tags.
== Possible follow-ups ==
I wonder if after an IRC class could fit one or several gobby sessions
to let people hack together with their first attempts.
Another possibility i think, could be link it to classes on git:
** Share your doc in a git repo and try a proofreading of your work.
** Don't forget add friends to play together and helping each other.
** Play seriously: clone a docs.fp.o guide's repo and test your skills.
And again, using Moodle, people could engage in a group and try for
everyone produce a first formal doc, with oversight of an skilled
writer; or by teams work in user/contributor documentation for Fedora.
Even another follow up could be creating themes for Publican, i'm
thinking on speed up the edition process for things like Fedora Latam
Magazine, because we are actually stalled on the design on Scribus
because just one person is working on it.
Or, why not?
= A hands on session of basics of Scribus =
And followup in moodle forums/more IRC meetings for exploring deeping
into the tricks of this tool. Also fits with learning git ;)
= Alternatives to PDF/slideshare to slideshows online =
I really, really hate when people on 'FLOSS' seems unable to share
outside of Flash their stuff:
** JessyInk (extension installed with default Fedora Inkscape)
** s5
** More magic based just on open standards: XML + JavaScript
IMHO, this is really worth to work on it; Fedora Websites and another
design team work are a good example of how good can we do, without
flashy and another closed-source crap.
Hopefully we can get some irc classes going as well as adding more
things like moodle into the mix.
kevin
All this said, i could help right now in:
* Git, first one-two beginner sessions and possible follow-ups.
* Scribus first hacks.
* JessyInk and s5.
* Gobby for paired-s/programming/writing/ sessions.
So, which people is going to jump in to say:
"I'd be glad to share what i know in our Fedora Classrooms!"
?
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CC'ed to ambassadors ml and devel(a)proyectofedora.org (running
moodle.proyectofedora.org -needing <3-)
7:02 a.m.
New subject: New Classroom sessions coming? (Maybe soon!)
I'm working in a proposal for an introductory crash course of Publican
(with a touch of git/gobby); first for people interested in contributing
to Fedora Documentation Project, but i'm pretty sure it would be useful
for anyone willing to learn how to write good documentation with
DocBook/Publican.
Feel free to add your thoughts to the draft:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project/Course_for_New_Contributors
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Fedora Ambassador from México and Translator.
11:33 a.m.
New subject: We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:17:34 -0600
Jesús Franco <tezcatl(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
I've thougt a little about which kind of sessions could fit well.
They
should be short, useful for users and contributors, and reusable as
modules to courses apart from "standalone" classes.
yes, agreed.
Let me think aloud on examples of tools worth to learn, and fruitful
at its very beginning, i think we can schedule if we get teachers for
that.
The hard part is finding teachers. ;(
= GIT =
..snip...
== Kinda of follow-up ==
*** Moodle-forums could serve to exploring deeply on our students
figuring out how to get some things done; hopefully helping each
other.
Sure, also the other fedora support channels: #fedora, fedoraforum and
the users mailing list.
= PUBLICAN-Docbook =
Of course this would demand a deep course by its own, and i'm pretty
sure it would be a way to get more people confident to contribute to
docs project guides. Meanwhile, for a single workshop:
** Write your first Article in Publican.
*** Essential concepts and tags.
== Possible follow-ups ==
I wonder if after an IRC class could fit one or several gobby sessions
to let people hack together with their first attempts.
Sure, but for the IRC session it might be good to have a example doc
that you go through to create or steps they follow and get an example
doc at the end.
Another possibility i think, could be link it to classes on git:
** Share your doc in a git repo and try a proofreading of your work.
** Don't forget add friends to play together and helping each other.
** Play seriously: clone a docs.fp.o guide's repo and test your
skills.
Sure. Those are more 'free form' than a class tho. I think irc could be
good for collaborating, but perhaps not a formal class.
...snip...
So, which people is going to jump in to say:
"I'd be glad to share what i know in our Fedora Classrooms!"
:)
I might be able to manage something with git, but I am a pretty casual
user, so not sure I would be the best fit there.
The other classes sound great to me, I would love to attend them!
kevin
11:35 a.m.
New subject: New Classroom sessions coming? (Maybe soon!)
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:02:33 -0600
Jesús Franco <jefrancomix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm working in a proposal for an introductory crash course of
Publican
(with a touch of git/gobby); first for people interested in
contributing to Fedora Documentation Project, but i'm pretty sure it
would be useful for anyone willing to learn how to write good
documentation with DocBook/Publican.
Feel free to add your thoughts to the draft:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project/Course_for_New_Contributors
This looks great!
I'd love to learn more about publican...
I wonder if we couldn't do something meta here and have the class
itself work on a "How to make a doc with publican" doc and at the end
push it out as a official doc? :)
kevin
11:43 p.m.
New subject: We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
Hello!
It's great to see so much thought going into the class rooms. I'd love
to attend them and help out where I can with the teaching. To start with
my bit, I've updated the wiki page[1] with the suggestions we got on the
Ambassadors' list. There are a lot of them, and yes, now we need to find
teachers :)
Thanks!
Regards,
Ankur
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Suggest_a_class
12:08 a.m.
New subject: We are looking for your ideas and suggestions for Fedora Classroom Topics. :)
El jue, 20-01-2011 a las 11:13 +0530, Ankur Sinha escribió:
Hello!
It's great to see so much thought going into the class rooms. I'd love
to attend them and help out where I can with the teaching. To start with
my bit, I've updated the wiki page[1] with the suggestions we got on the
Ambassadors' list. There are a lot of them, and yes, now we need to find
teachers :)
Thanks for adding the suggestions shared with us in the last week Ankur!
Thanks!
Regards,
Ankur
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Suggest_a_class
I'd like to see more drafts for upcoming classes being worked on, so, if
you have an idea for the suggestions made, to begin to collect notes,
and a general mock-up of how we could cover that knowledge, i'd suggest
you starting at least a draft, and adding on that section to the
classroom wiki.
This way we could get some people interested in sharing their knowledge,
and a general idea of how they come along with an assistant (the (wo)man
who has managed to mock-up the idea for the topics to cover on the
class).
Thanks in advance.
Jesus
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