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On 09/11/2013 08:53 AM, Sam Kottler wrote:
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> From: "Michael Hampton" <error(a)ioerror.us> To:
> cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013
> 8:47:23 AM Subject: Re: Disabling firewalld on AWS?
>
>
On 09/11/2013 08:13 AM, Sam Kottler wrote:
>>> On 09/10/2013 11:36 PM, Sam Kottler wrote:
>>>>>>>> Given the deny-by-default nature of security groups I
think
>>>>>>>> it makes sense to disable firewalld in the AMI's. I
>>>>>>>> haven't seen any other AMI's that have a firewall
enabled
>>>>>>>> by default and we probably shouldn't break that
pattern
>>>>>>>> IMO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is easily one of my least-favorite "features" of
certain
>>>>> Linux distributions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debian/Ubuntu images don't have a firewall enabled by default in
>>>>> their cloud images because they don't have a firewall enabled
at
>>>>> all in a default installation. At least the last time I looked
>>>>> at them; maybe they've gotten smarter in the last couple of
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not really sure I see a benefit here. There may not even be
a
>>>>> second firewall in front of the virtual machine; a user might
>>>>> turn it off because it's getting in the way, or a cloud provider
>>>>> might not provide this feature at all. I know of at least one
>>>>> public cloud provider which has an external firewall feature
>>>>> similar to AWS security groups, but it's off by default. In this
>>>>> case I see plenty of downside.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If people disable their firewall then that's their
prerogative,
>>>>>> but it's confusing and non-standard to have a firewall
>>>>>> running on the instance and one running via the security
>>>>>> group(s) that the host is in.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I don't trust the public cloud providers to configure their
>>>> firewall correctly.
>>>
>>> So in your case you just `chkconfig firewalld on` and configure it.
>>> I'm sure that people who share your opinion (myself among them) will
>>> do that for the extra layer of security, but I'm just advocating for
>>> the Fedora images to follow the way other AMI's are handling
>>> firewalls.
And I'm saying that the way other AMIs do it is wrong. We should not also
be wrong merely because everyone else is jumping off the cliff. Rather we
should continue to be secure by default and require explicit action from
the user to disable security, not explicit action to enable security.
> It's not "disabl[ing] security", security groups already do that for
> you. You're adding an extra convoluted layer, and the vast majority of
> users will just disable it and rely on security groups (that's conjecture
> on my part). Have you ever heard about vulnerabilities in the AWS
> security group implementation? I haven't.
I would figure Amazon would do everything in its power to prevent leakage of
information about vulnerabilities to the public. Their stock price would take
a large hit...
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