On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 18:35 +0200, Sindre Wetjen wrote: > Meeting logs for the 3rd of May: Hi folks, I'm sorry I missed out. Unfortunately, a sucky network is quite out of my hands. I've read the logs. It looks like you folks got quite a few questions answered. However, I've noticed that the UI wasn't discussed much. The only questions that were raised were about the navigation pane, and yes, the green background. I'll clarify the UI in this e-mail: 1. The green background is a place holder (There's a comment on the mock up that says this already). We don't know what the background will be yet. It is at the discretion of the person who finally goes about coding the application. 2. The navigation pane is exactly what the name suggests: a navigation pane. It will hold thumbnails of the various 'slides' that the tour will have. The intention is to give the user the ability to skip forward/backward in random order. In technical terms, it is to give the user a Random Access to information, rather than a sequential access like the older magnetic tapes. The user can go about it one by one (in a tour fashion) using the arrow keys on the main area too, but we felt limiting it *only* to such a movement method would be a little frustrating. (Imagine I'm interested in slide 15, which I know from a previous view is about a certain subject). I had requested all the new folks looking to actually get this done to look at the old meeting logs[1]. If you did your homework, you'll know that the design is based on this photo gallery[2]. I've googled around, and all of this can be achieved with HTML5 and CSS3. You can use JS, such as JQuery, JCarousel and the rest, but from what I found, HTML5 and CSS3 should be sufficient. 3. On the mockups[3], you've noticed 'pointers' (the green lines pointing to areas on the image with some info). These need to be somewhat interactive: When a user clicks them, they give extra information on the part they are pointing to. The extra information could be a pop up with text, or images too. To highlight that these are clickable, they will need some effect on mouse hover too. Implementing these is a little more complex IMO, since they cannot be part of the main image, but need to overlap it and also have behaviour associated with them. However, if any of you took the new google+ tour, you'll know that it isn't very difficult to do either. I'd really like you folks to give the mock ups a *proper* run through and to understand it thoroughly, maybe even spend sometime thinking how it could be implemented. I'd have started implementing already if I were any good with web development, but you folks already know that I'm not :). Another thing that I don't see discussed was *deployment* of the tour. Yes, it will be deployed on fedora infrastructure for folks to access over the interweb. We also intend to make it available locally on people's systems as a stand alone application (hopefully on the live cd too, to improve the fedora live cd experience). We will use libraries for various desktop environments such as webkit-gtk3 etc., to write up a stand alone desktop application that will contain our tour. This is not a must at the moment. At the moment, we need the tour to be implemented. With you web developers working on the tour, the rest of us can spend time on these stand alone applications that I've mentioned. (We know desktop application building, just not web applications). If you have any questions, please use the mailing list to get them answered. We're not just looking for a contributor here, we're looking for someone to *lead* the development of the web application, even teaching some of us a little in the process. Another fact worth mentioning is that the fedora tour is not a one off application. It is a *long* term application, that will need to be updated with every Fedora release (every 6 months, like fedora documentation). Fedora is a quickly changing distribution. We take in the newest software available, so the changes to the tour will probably be major too. Once the first release of the tour happens, and people get to use it, it is my hope that more people will step up to maintain this project. Until then, it's just us ;) PS: I've updated the meeting logs page with the recent meeting information. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour/wiki/meeting-logs [2] http://freehtml5templates.com/downloads/free/vividphoto/ [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour/Mock-ups -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur: "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/

On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 08:41 +0530, pahnin sd wrote: > Sorry my netwrok troubled me too, I have been reconnected several > times and I dont think my chats went into the logs. > So I wanted to ask whether the fedora tour application is just an > interactive slideshow? or a complete app which is very similar to > gnome-shell where user can click on files and other icons to see how > they look like with an overlay. No. It isn't a complete app. We want it to remain a simple interactive slide show. > > if we are creating a slideshow > > it is really easy to do > all we need is some javascript and some images > about the pointers I can implement that Ah! That's great :D > > else if we want something similar to ubuntu tour > > its a bit complicated than previous one > we need to layouts 1 for desktop view 2 for overlay view > javascript to show / hide overlay > javascript to arrange windows in overlay > javascript to search in overlay > some javascript to control the navigation pane > javascript to create windows when user clicks files or anyother > app > and some other extra things to make it look like desktop > > as i see ubuntu tour has both these features The above listed complications are basically why we're not going for a complete app. Consider this: Fedora updates to a new release every 6 months, and fedora-tour will have to be updated in parallel. We have various desktop environments that we'd like to take care of: gnome, kde, xfce, lxde. A complete app for all of these will make it very very difficult to work with, and updating every 6 months will be a mammoth task. > > I'd like to know which one we are trying to make. > and if it is the first option it is fairly simple > we need some set of images for navigation pane and some javascript > which respnds to them and a layout with some pointers and labels to > those pointers Great! Can you break it down to implementation details Pahnin? We could have another meeting where you could hand out tasks to the team folks, and we could get started? > > Thanks all, this is what I wanted to discuss yesterday. :) It's good to see folks continuing the discussion on the list. :) -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur: "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/ _______________________________________________ Fedora-tour mailing list Fedora-tour(a)lists.fedorahosted.org https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-tour

Tasks: 1. making thumbnail screen shots for navigation pane 2. making html based top panel and activity overlay layouts or we can use complete images for 2nd part and even tags we can do from images unless we want the slideshow to be more interactive. 3. javascript based tags / labels 4. javascript to control the slideshow

Tuesday 8 May 2012 1530 UTC #fedora-tour on Freenode. Please be there. It's an important meeting.