Hi all, Today koji has the ability to make livecds using livecd-creator, appliance images using appliance-creator and all sorts of other images using imagefactory. For Fedora 23 we are using livecd-creator to make all the livecds, appliance- creator to make all the arm disk images and imagefactory to make the cloud images and docker base image. We have a releng person tasked with adding support to koji for livemedia-creator[1] it is part of lorax and is actively developed and maintained by the anaconda team. It has the ability to make disk images and livecds. we are planning to switch Fedora to this for Fedora 24.

At this point in time I want to deprecate the spin-livecd command in koji in addition to teh already deprecated spin-appliance command. With the plan being to remove support from koji for the two command once Fedora 23 is EOL, which will be approximately around the end of November in 2016.

the livemedia-creator equivalent commands should be livecd-build and appliance-build to match image-build which is used to create images using imagefactory. appliance-build may be better off being named disk-build I was wanting to make sure that everyone is okay with the plan and has not objections.

Regards Dennis [1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html _______________________________________________ koji-devel mailing list koji-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/koji-devel

On Friday, September 25, 2015 12:27:49 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Dennis Gilmore <dennis(a)ausil.us&gt; wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Today koji has the ability to make livecds using livecd-creator, appliance > > images using appliance-creator and all sorts of other images using > > imagefactory. > > > > For Fedora 23 we are using livecd-creator to make all the livecds, > > appliance- > > creator to make all the arm disk images and imagefactory to make the cloud > > images and docker base image. We have a releng person tasked with adding > > support to koji for livemedia-creator[1] it is part of lorax and is > > actively > > developed and maintained by the anaconda team. It has the ability to make > > disk images and livecds. we are planning to switch Fedora to this for > > Fedora > > 24. > > ​Why not for Fedora 23? If the tool is actively developed and maintained vs > the older ones, why not switch to it now?​ Or if we can't switch now, why > not make it possible to build the Fedora 23 release artifacts with the > newer tools anyway? livemedia-creator has been around for a few years, we have not used it previously as it was not possible to run in mock and ensure that we use the correct versions and be able to reproduce builds. koji today can not use it and we prefer to make the livecds in koji so we can take advantage of host parallelisation we want to ensure we can continue to make the artifacts for the life of the release in the event we need to make updated images for critical security bugs. in order to switch the kickstarts will all need some significant tweaking. hence the desire to keep the old tools available and working

> > At this point in time I want to deprecate the spin-livecd command in koji > > in > > addition to teh already deprecated spin-appliance command. With the plan > > being > > to remove support from koji for the two command once Fedora 23 is EOL, > > which > > will be approximately around the end of November in 2016. > > ​I would suggest that Koji deprecate the older tools far earlier than F23 > EOL. If the newer tools can make useful composes for Fedora 23, I don't see > why you can't aggressively migrate before F25.​ We will deprecate them as we land livemedia-creator support in koji. They will be removed from the code base at the end of next year

> > the livemedia-creator equivalent commands should be livecd-build and > > appliance-build to match image-build which is used to create images using > > imagefactory. appliance-build may be better off being named disk-build > > > > I was wanting to make sure that everyone is okay with the plan and has not > > objections. > > ​I suppose my only objection is that I don't think it's aggressive enough. > Unless there's some kind of problem that prevents the usage of the new > tools with Fedora 23 release engineering, I don't see why we can't switch > to it.​ We can not use them today as the code i not written for koji integration and if it showed up tomorrow it would be completely untested and may not allow us to produce the Fedora 23 lives, in addition to the work that will be needed to convert the kickstarts. we are doing it as aggressively as we can with the resources that we have on hand.

Thanks for the feedback

Dennis > > Regards > > > > Dennis > > > > [1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html