4:05 a.m.
On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote:
Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now
music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists:
- when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the
reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient.
- on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the
original author, only.
For a collaboration list, this is rather limiting:
- ideas/answers get sent back to an individual, rather than all list
members (by default). People feel like they are being singled out.
- it feels more like one on one communication, rather than trying to
build a "team" of interested people. Other interested parties miss the
communication.
Could the list configuration be checked and adjusted so that the
reply-to music@list header is included ?
Or should this be requested elsewhere ?
Would you like me to announce the proposed change on the list incase
anyone considers it a bad idea ?
Hi All,
At the moment,the fedora music list has no owner:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/136608/focus=136609
, and hence there is no one to perform a change like the above. Ideally:
1. we have an actual list owner / owners
2. depending upon our consensus: we should have the configured with
reply-to munging, so that hitting reply causes to to: address to be the
list address.
Are there any people who would like to take up the owner task ?
What do people think about 'enhancing' our collaboration by using the
reply-to munging as many other fedora lits use ?
David Timms
10:49 a.m.
New subject: music list - no owner
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:05 AM, David Timms wrote:
On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote:
> Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
> it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists:
> - when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the
> reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient.
>
> - on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the
> original author, only.
>
> For a collaboration list, this is rather limiting:
> - ideas/answers get sent back to an individual, rather than all list
> members (by default). People feel like they are being singled out.
> - it feels more like one on one communication, rather than trying to
> build a "team" of interested people. Other interested parties miss the
> communication.
>
> Could the list configuration be checked and adjusted so that the
> reply-to music@list header is included ?
>
> Or should this be requested elsewhere ?
>
> Would you like me to announce the proposed change on the list incase
> anyone considers it a bad idea ?
Hi All,
At the moment,the fedora music list has no owner:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/136608/focus=136609
, and hence there is no one to perform a change like the above. Ideally:
1. we have an actual list owner / owners
2. depending upon our consensus: we should have the configured with
reply-to munging, so that hitting reply causes to to: address to be the
list address.
Are there any people who would like to take up the owner task ?
What do people think about 'enhancing' our collaboration by using the
reply-to munging as many other fedora lits use ?
Hello,
I don't really know what you are trying to establish, probably because
I don't know what 'reply-to munging' is.
I am subscribed to 10+ fedora lists, and I don't see a difference
between this list and the other ones when it comes to replying to
messages.
Can you be a little more specific about what will change in my life if
I start munching on reply-tos, whatever that means.
Thanks,
Orcan
4:59 p.m.
New subject: music list - no owner
On 30/07/10 01:49, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:05 AM, David Timms wrote:
> On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote:
>> Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
>> it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists:
>> - when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the
>> reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient.
>>
>> - on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the
>> original author, only.
...
Can you be a little more specific about what will change in my life
if
I start munching on reply-tos, whatever that means.
Perhaps this is something weird
with only my machine ?
The situation is:
Issue:
- A message comes into my inbox from the music list. (in a real client
like thunderbird).
- I click reply
- I get rid of the unwanted part of the quote, and write my response
- I press send
What happens:
- only the original author who sent to the list receives the response
What should happen: (eg. devel@ , users@ etc).
- the list should receive the response
Why I think this is unhelpful ?
Just about every conversation that begins on the list ends up turning
into personal replies only. So the list is uninteresting because it has
queries, and discussions with few responses (except for those people who
do something to ensure they fix their to: field before sending. I just
think it breaks the collaboration that the list is supposed to encourage.
Think of this like: there is a group of peers standing around in earshot
of each other. A person asks a question/starts a discussion, that all
hear. Then multiple individual people in the the group go over to the
discussion initiator and whisper a response in their ear, instead of
just speaking in front of the group, to share their opinion/answer/etc.
1. Does no one else see this issue ?
2. Lets say I go ahead and make this change, would anybody find it to be
annoying that the above "what should happen" then occurs ?
ps: Orcan: even the response you just sent ends up not being threaded
properly because it is to: me, but with a cc: to the music-list. And
clicking reply would have only sent it to you.
5:29 p.m.
New subject: music list - no owner
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 07:59 +1000, David Timms wrote:
1. Does no one else see this issue ?
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
This is the usual argument against munging. I do not have any strong
feelings either way. The mailman documentation urges no munging and
that's what I've followed on the lists I administer. It's also the
policy on most of the lists to which I subscribe.
The main argument for munging as best I can understand is that reply and
reply-all will both go to the list. There is no choice. I've also
encountered people who object to the duplication of getting a direct
reply *and* a copy from the list. My email program (Evolution) seems to
do a reasonable job of suppressing the duplicates.
I had not realized that many replies were getting lost.
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10:05 p.m.
New subject: music list - no owner
On 07/29/2010 06:29 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 07:59 +1000, David Timms wrote:
> 1. Does no one else see this issue ?
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
This is the usual argument against munging. I do not have any strong
feelings either way. The mailman documentation urges no munging and
that's what I've followed on the lists I administer. It's also the
policy on most of the lists to which I subscribe.
The main argument for munging as best I can understand is that reply and
reply-all will both go to the list. There is no choice. I've also
encountered people who object to the duplication of getting a direct
reply *and* a copy from the list. My email program (Evolution) seems to
do a reasonable job of suppressing the duplicates.
I had not realized that many replies were getting lost.
I'm with Lloyd on this one. Thunderbird gives me two buttons: "reply,"
and "reply list." It's pretty straight-forward.
As for whether the list should have an owner is an entirely different issue.
Christopher.
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