ambassadors February 2009

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Re: [fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] a fedora feature criticized
by susmit shannigrahi 07 Feb '09

07 Feb '09

> In fact a server system is configured manually to specifically run > services or not to. As a server administrator you would want it to > boot as fast as possible since the specific services that you want are > either turned off or turned on by you. You would not really want to > wait for foo bar services running on a server and waiting for it just > to turn it off. So if you say that for a server a fast boot up time is > not required I think you are missing the mark. On the other hand, servers are so infrequently rebooted that a 20 sec boot or a 60 sec boot does not make much difference. Still it will be nice to have, and for desktop, a faster boot up is a must. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit =============================================

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fosdem fedora social party saturday night
by Chitlesh GOORAH 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

Hello there, Tonight, we found a nice place that we can all meet saturday 7 feb at 20h. At Churchills bar: http://www.churchills.be/ It is 2 mins by foot from the fosdem beer event. The barman told me that we are welcome however he can't refuse regular customers. The bar is divided into 2 parts: groundfloor and upstairs. We can have upstairs. At 21h there will be a concert below. People can play pool upstairs. I will not be able to check my mails during this weekend. So please spread the word to your fedora colleagues. Chitlesh

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Max's FOSDEM schedule for Saturday
by Paul W. Frields 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

Hello Ambassadors -- Max is having an email problem at the hotel and asked me to pass this along to you. I hope everyone is having a great FOSDEM so far! Paul = = = = = FYI for the FOSDEM attendees: Greg and I should arrive at the event between 8:30 and 9:00, depending on whether or not we get delayed by anything in the morning. We will be bringing with us a bunch of shirts, stickers, Live CDs, and flyers that have the Fedora speaking schedule for both days on them. Once the booth is set up, and everything is in order, I will probably find a quiet place where I can take 60-90 minutes in order to run through my talk once or twice, which is at 3:00 PM. So if anyone is looking for me mid-morning and it seems like I have disappeared, please understand that is why. In the afternoon, I will sit in on Joe Brockmeier's talk about openSUSE at 2:00 PM, which is right before my talk. It was great to see a bunch of you tonight -- if I didn't see you, I apologize. See you all tomorrow! Thanks, Max P.S. I will have several hours of booth time on Sunday. Given the number of Ambassadors we have attending, I'm not too worried about the booth being empty. :)

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F11 Release Events Meeting
by Francesco Ugolini 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

It's time to start thinking about Release Events, using all the suggestions collected during the previous ones (the last on particularly) and, from these ones, working building another unique and marvellous initiative. Here is what it's necessary to think about: - one (or more) IRC meetings to have a look at what is needed - if you want to plan a Release Event and you are sure to hold it, add it to fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents and do whatever needed in order to give us all the tool to better address your necessities - keep in mind a Release isn't a steady thing but it's subject to changes (so, if I'm not wrong think about the early beginning of june), so Q3 This is all, for now. Tell me what you think, giving suggestions, moving critiques etc. Best regards Francesco Ugolini

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Polos for North America
by Larry Cafiero 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

Hi, all -- I've taken the liberty of contacting Pascal Calarco about ordering more polos for those of us in North America (like me) who need one in what will be a busy year for Ambassadors (if I have anything to do with it . . . :-) ) According to Pascal, the vendor likes to do at least 10 at a time, and we've drop-shipped these directly to people. I've cleared the order page at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_North_America_(FAMNA)#Fed… They can probably deliver these in 3-4 weeks. Thanks, Pascal. Larry Cafiero

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Fedora Ambassadors Welcome
by Joerg Simon 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

Dear Ambassadors, let´s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Malloc from Italy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mhoungbo from Benin https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Artel19 from India https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pssompura from Vadodara, India Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688

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Reminder: FOSDEM people, please singn up for booth attendance
by Christoph Wickert 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

We have more than 30 people who are going to FOSDEM this weekend and said that they are going to help at the booth. But so far only 10 People have signed for booth attendance. Please add yourself at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2009_Booth_Attendance We still have time slots where there are not enough people present. Regards, Christoph

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FOSDEM
by Max Spevack 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

Are there any remaining questions, or organizational topics that need to be addressed for FOSDEM? For those of you who are receiving some sort of sponsorship from the Community Architecture budget, please read over https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements and be ready with your receipts as quickly after FOSDEM as possible. I need to get all of the FOSDEM-related expenses into the Red Hat system by the middle of February, so it won't leave much time. Thanks, Max

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FAmNA Meetings Revisited
by inode0 04 Feb '09

04 Feb '09

We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate. Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules. Thanks, John

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FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-02-03
by inode0 04 Feb '09

04 Feb '09

(08:00:34 PM) inode0: FAmNA Roll Call (08:00:54 PM) pcalarco: PascalCalarco (08:01:28 PM) ***lcafiero is Larry Cafiero (08:01:53 PM) ***jsmidt is Joseph Smidt (08:02:24 PM) DemonJester: .fas bpowell01 (08:02:25 PM) zodbot: DemonJester: bpowell01 'Brian Powell' <bpowell01(a)gmail.com> (08:02:45 PM) djf_jeff: .fas jfsaucier (08:02:46 PM) zodbot: djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' <jfsaucier(a)infoglobe.ca> (08:03:42 PM) ***inode0 looks around (08:04:55 PM) inode0: Well, mmcgrath should be joining us in a bit, may be delayed by another meeting so let's begin with announcements (08:05:15 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom (08:05:37 PM) inode0: herlo asks that we volunteer to suggest topics for upcoming sessions (08:06:14 PM) ***inode0 missed everyone last week (08:06:27 PM) ***lcafiero says "ditto to that inode0" (08:06:29 PM) inode0: any other announcements from anyone (08:06:39 PM) djf_jeff: sadly I cannot attend, I am out of town this weekend, but, I think this event need more publicity. I follow all the fedora related blog and I just learn that this event occur this weekend... (08:06:44 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: hey (08:07:04 PM) lcafiero: There's a Birds of a Feather added to FAD-SCaLE but I'll talk about that more during that part of the meeting (08:07:06 PM) inode0: ok, our guest has arrived! (08:07:14 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: just checking, where am I on the schedule? Do I have 5 minutees or should I get started now? (08:07:26 PM) inode0: would you like 5 minutes? that is fine (08:07:41 PM) mmcgrath: 5 would be great! (08:07:55 PM) inode0: just ping when you are back and we will switch gears (08:07:57 PM) mmcgrath: my meeting ran a bit late, I'm still headed home (I'm in a gas station parking lot right now if you can believe that :) (08:08:05 PM) mmcgrath: sounds good, be back in just a second. (08:08:23 PM) lcafiero: What's gas going for there? :-) (08:08:33 PM) ***quaid arrives late (08:08:38 PM) ***lcafiero withdraws the question. (08:08:38 PM) inode0: $1.79 last time for me (08:09:01 PM) djf_jeff: $0.85 for me (08:09:09 PM) lcafiero: Mon dieu! (08:09:17 PM) inode0: you buy something non-gallons though don't you? (08:09:20 PM) djf_jeff: we are in liter not gallon ;) (08:09:46 PM) inode0: welcome quaid (08:09:59 PM) inode0: let's get the budget item out of the way next (08:09:59 PM) ***ke4qqq is late (08:10:10 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget (08:10:32 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: just a little bit for the classroom, is there any publicity that I miss? (08:10:36 PM) inode0: Reminder to everyone to keep this fellow updated as best we can and if you have needs please add them (08:11:04 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: to be honest there hasn't been a lot, it gets some in IRC though (08:11:33 PM) inode0: some on mailing lists too iirc (08:11:46 PM) djf_jeff: ok thank you, maybe we can help with that because it's a lot of effort and the more people that join, the better (08:12:15 PM) ***inode0 thinks perhaps we should add the Q1 starter budget soonish (08:12:52 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: yes, great. Spread the word. We've talked about it from time to time. (08:13:11 PM) inode0: Max gave some sessions for ambassadors in the past and we promoted those internally (08:13:12 PM) djf_jeff: good, I will take care of that! (08:14:06 PM) inode0: task list we can skip in the interest of time tonight (08:14:23 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: want to slip your agenda item in here while we wait for Mike to return? (08:14:39 PM) ke4qqq: sure (08:15:00 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: ready whenever you are! (08:15:35 PM) ke4qqq: so at fudcon we talked abt integrating olpc into fedora (08:16:16 PM) ke4qqq: and an idea we pitched was letting the ambassadors run the dev. xo program (08:16:36 PM) ke4qqq: and they have now shipped 100 to us (08:16:42 PM) ***mmcgrath does apologize for the delay. (08:16:58 PM) inode0: mmcgrath: don't worry about it, you're next :) (08:18:10 PM) mmcgrath: k (08:18:10 PM) ke4qqq: so first we need to talk about how we will handle this, and since i am typing on goggle g1 i'll be available at the end of the mtg and let mike talk now (08:18:40 PM) inode0: good plan, we'll come back to the XO dev. program then (08:18:44 PM) DemonJester: show off! :-) (08:19:07 PM) inode0: So let me introduce mmcgrath to everyone and welcome him (08:19:38 PM) inode0: Can you begin by telling us a little about what the infrastructure team does? (08:19:40 PM) ***mmcgrath waves (08:20:15 PM) DemonJester: welcome! (08:20:31 PM) mmcgrath: So the infrastructure team is basically a group of sysadmins, engineers and developers that do all the normal things an IT shop would do (08:20:53 PM) mmcgrath: We run all of Fedora's "official" servers. (08:21:12 PM) mmcgrath: The team is divided up into a couple of different group's called "FIGs" (Fedora Infrastructure Group) (08:21:19 PM) mmcgrath: At the top of this group, is sysadmin-main. (08:21:25 PM) inode0: both servers and the services, right? (08:21:27 PM) mmcgrath: this is the group that has access to everything. (08:21:30 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: correct. (08:21:44 PM) mmcgrath: we basically handle everything all the way up to the actual content / presentation layer. (08:21:59 PM) mmcgrath: so when you go to docs.fedoraproject.org, we maintain everything there except the actual words on the page, and the look of the page. (08:22:16 PM) mmcgrath: The exception to this comes to our custom built webapps. (08:22:28 PM) mmcgrath: In most businesses there is a clear line between development and infrastructure. (08:22:33 PM) mmcgrath: "developers" and "sysadmins" (08:22:38 PM) mmcgrath: Fedora blurs that line. (08:22:52 PM) inode0: which is good for both imo (08:22:54 PM) mmcgrath: So applications like Bodhi, pkgdb, smolt, mirrormanager, etc. (08:23:08 PM) mmcgrath: Those are all developed, but all of those developers are also members of the sysadmin team. (08:23:17 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: yeah, it's worked remarkably well for us. (08:23:27 PM) mmcgrath: So aside from the sysadmin-main group. (08:23:35 PM) mmcgrath: we have a bunch of other FIGS that each have individual tasks. (08:23:49 PM) mmcgrath: this allows us to give people and new volunteers access to our systems, without handing over all the keys to the castle right away (08:23:52 PM) ***mmcgrath gets a link (08:24:03 PM) mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FIGs (08:25:15 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: so thats the high level view :) (08:25:27 PM) inode0: if you'd like to talk about the process involved in joining that would be good too (08:25:41 PM) inode0: our goal is this (08:26:06 PM) inode0: understand what you do, identify contributors who might fit, help them get started (08:26:16 PM) mmcgrath: Sure, well here's the main link you want (08:26:18 PM) mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted (08:26:39 PM) mmcgrath: The two hard parts about joining are realizing it takes a large time commitment. (08:26:55 PM) mmcgrath: We've had volunteers (like myself before I got hired) put in 20-40 hours a week before. (08:27:15 PM) mmcgrath: But if you don't have at least 5-7 hours a week to give to the infrastructure team, its hard to really get involved. (08:27:24 PM) mmcgrath: The other hard part, is getting sponsorship. (08:27:33 PM) ***mmcgrath notes the Get Sponsored link on that page. (08:27:40 PM) mmcgrath: You really have to bug people to get sponsored. (08:27:46 PM) mmcgrath: Part of this is because people are busy and forget. (08:27:52 PM) mmcgrath: but the other part is to show dedication to join the team. (08:28:03 PM) mmcgrath: we have a _lot_ of turnover in the infrastructure team. (08:28:07 PM) mmcgrath: but the environment is complex. (08:28:18 PM) mmcgrath: it can take a couple of weeks to really get a handle on where everything is, finding help, etc. (08:28:21 PM) ke4qqq: so how do you show dedication without sponsorship? (08:28:30 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: by keep asking for it :) (08:28:53 PM) mmcgrath: And by participating on the list and coming to the meetings. (08:28:53 PM) inode0: do you need sponsorship for sysadmin FIG itself? (08:29:04 PM) mmcgrath: Not for the main sysadmin group. (08:29:08 PM) mmcgrath: err sorry (08:29:15 PM) mmcgrath: you do for sysadmin-main, but not the basic 'sysadmin' group. (08:29:24 PM) mmcgrath: You just need to apply and introduce yourself to the list. (08:29:24 PM) inode0: right, I understood (08:29:41 PM) mmcgrath: the basic sysadmin group is mostly a tracker group, but nagios alerts also go to that group. (08:30:20 PM) mmcgrath: Its not that we like turning potential people away. (08:30:41 PM) mmcgrath: but it takes a lot of time to do the training, and if we trained everyone that showed up only to have them vanish in a week, we wouldn't get anything done :( (08:31:09 PM) inode0: sure, it makes sense to see who shows interest over time (08:31:12 PM) ke4qqq: whats ther base level of skills you are looking for... (08:31:20 PM) mmcgrath: we revisit this every now and again to make it better, but this method has worked fairly well in separating the people who think "this is a good idea" and then "I don't have time for this" from the "this is a good idea" and then "I'm still here and can totally work on it" (08:31:37 PM) mmcgrath: Generally we look for any and all skill levels. (08:31:38 PM) ke4qqq: for instance do you have entry level jobs for people or need they be sysadmin of the year types? (08:31:54 PM) mmcgrath: and I like to try to guess someones skill level, then give them a task just above it. (08:32:13 PM) mmcgrath: there's lots of tasks that involve research, but not direct changes to the servers. (08:32:17 PM) mmcgrath: we do have some entry level jobs. (08:32:23 PM) mmcgrath: sysadmin-noc is a good example. (08:32:28 PM) mmcgrath: Its critical to our infrastructure. (08:32:32 PM) mmcgrath: (they're our monitoring group) (08:32:39 PM) ***quaid notes just watching nagios alerts is a learning experience (08:32:46 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:32:51 PM) mmcgrath: but at the same time, they don't have a lot of sudo access so there's little chance they'll break something. (08:33:14 PM) mmcgrath: but often they're the first people on the scene, so even if they can't fix it. They can give someone like me info when I show up to fix it if I've been paged in the middle of the night. (08:33:28 PM) mmcgrath: and our switch to zabbix will be interesting because we're going to focus on more self-fixing. (08:33:40 PM) mmcgrath: other then that its a matter of finding more simple jobs vs more complex jobs. (08:34:58 PM) inode0: Do you have a feel for how your members come to fedora and infrastructure now? (08:35:28 PM) ***herlo is here for a few minutes... (08:35:33 PM) inode0: I mean, how do they find you? (08:35:37 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: I think so. We run into the people that think they want to get involved in infrastructure, but what they really want is something more on Fedora the operating system (like fixing bugs or submitting kernel patches) (08:35:52 PM) mmcgrath: We've been pretty lucky in getting a stead stream of new volunteers. (08:36:10 PM) mmcgrath: When I feel its going south or we need people for a specific task, I do a cattle call via an announce list and planet.fedoraproject.org (08:36:24 PM) mmcgrath: thats how I found out about Fedora Infrastructure actually (08:36:33 PM) mmcgrath: from a notice from sopwith way back in the day. (08:36:59 PM) quaid: I've always thought linux sysadmins are a hugely under-tapped contributor base; do you get many people who are RHC*/sysadmins for their $dayjob? (08:37:15 PM) mmcgrath: quaid: yes, and I try to encourage that. (08:37:19 PM) mmcgrath: SmootherFrOgZ is a good example. (08:37:27 PM) mmcgrath: He seems to be using all the sweet new technologies we are at his job. (08:37:28 PM) ***inode0 could be a victim (08:37:45 PM) mmcgrath: I think what he does for $DAYJOB and what he does in $FEDORA work well together. (08:37:52 PM) mmcgrath: I know when I was a volunteer it was invaluable. (08:37:57 PM) quaid: I think it' (08:38:05 PM) quaid: s a sweet spot, yeah (08:38:21 PM) ***quaid talks with sysadmins at Linux events a fair amount (08:39:02 PM) mmcgrath: The hard part is convincing them to work with their employer to get them to be paid to work on fedora, during work hours for a couple hours a week. (08:39:09 PM) ***mmcgrath has been putting documentation together for that. (08:39:34 PM) inode0: academic places seem open to that (08:39:34 PM) mmcgrath: I know being involved in Fedora actually greatly improved the quality of my work at $DAYJOB. (08:39:59 PM) mmcgrath: if for no other reason then I had two teams of sysadmins to talk to with their own issues and experiences instead of just the one team. (08:40:06 PM) mmcgrath: <nod> (08:40:55 PM) djf_jeff: mmcgrath: can you give the documentation in question please? (08:41:29 PM) mmcgrath: djf_jeff: it's not published yet but it'll be part of the csi documentation at: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/ (08:41:44 PM) djf_jeff: thank you! (08:42:40 PM) mmcgrath: one thing I'll add that makes Fedora Infrastructure unique from other places I've worked is focus on OSS. (08:42:41 PM) inode0: so on the developer side what are the current needs in particular (08:42:50 PM) mmcgrath: We use only Free Software everywhere its feasible. (08:42:59 PM) mmcgrath: So, for example, it doesn't run on our cisco switches (yet) (08:43:09 PM) inode0: are there certain skills in big demand by infrastructure (08:43:09 PM) mmcgrath: but every bit we have in Fedora, you can do where you work. (08:43:21 PM) mmcgrath: which includes our build system, web services, telephony system, etc. (08:44:52 PM) ***jsmidt_ is really jsmidt jsmidt jsmidt_ (08:45:11 PM) inode0: your disguise wasn't clever enough to fool us jsmidt (08:45:28 PM) mmcgrath: :) (08:45:38 PM) mmcgrath: you guys have any other questions on Infrastructure? (08:45:44 PM) mmcgrath: Its really an old concept but being done in a new way :) (08:45:45 PM) jsmidt_: I got kicked off and won't let me log back in as jsmidt (08:45:49 PM) inode0: so database, TG, python? (08:45:58 PM) mmcgrath: yep (08:46:00 PM) mmcgrath: everything (08:46:04 PM) mmcgrath: oh, and we're heavily virtualized. (08:46:09 PM) mmcgrath: and have been for a little over 2 years now. (08:46:14 PM) mmcgrath: so we were pretty early adopters of that. (08:46:29 PM) inode0: shouldn't surprise anyone here (08:46:29 PM) ke4qqq: when is cloud coming? (08:46:35 PM) jsmidt_: mmcgrath, how is the preformance og kvm coming (08:46:51 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: thats a good question. We have the hardware, its installed and powered. We're blocking on two network bits. (08:46:58 PM) mmcgrath: the first is our private network / switch configuration. (08:47:11 PM) mmcgrath: the next is getting 80 public IP's and ultimately somewhere around 400-500 public IP's (08:47:18 PM) mmcgrath: which is proving to take longer then the network guys thought I think :) (08:47:43 PM) inode0: mmcgrath: one last question from me (08:47:46 PM) mmcgrath: jsmidt_: good question, we still use xen + paravirt everywhere in Fedora. I've heard KVM's performance is getting closer to paravirt every day. They're probably very similar right nwo. (08:47:57 PM) jsmidt_: good (08:48:18 PM) inode0: is there anything you can think of that we can do to help make recruitment of new contributors easier? (08:48:43 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: I think the biggest thing is them not even reading what is there and not knowing what to expect. (08:48:45 PM) inode0: if not immediately please keep us in mind as we are willing to try anything we can to help (08:48:50 PM) ***lcafiero will be back in about 15 minutes (08:48:56 PM) mmcgrath: One thing I've been working on is some webcasting/podcasting abilities in Asterisk. (08:49:01 PM) mmcgrath: I'm pretty close to getting it up and ready. (08:49:10 PM) mmcgrath: what I'd like to do is create "want to get involved" type podcasts. (08:49:19 PM) mmcgrath: where users can just listen to what to do instead of all the reading. (08:49:33 PM) mmcgrath: as important as reading is, I think there's so much of it, people get turned off initially. (08:50:00 PM) inode0: I would make the observation that of the groups I've spent 10 minutes visiting the wiki for yours is one of the best for clearly laying things out (08:50:18 PM) ***mmcgrath is happy to hear that (08:50:39 PM) ***quaid sometimes has to read, hear, *and* be shown, fwiw (08:50:45 PM) inode0: are there any other questions for mmcgrath tonight? (08:51:05 PM) mmcgrath: quaid: yeah, everyone's different. And even individuals can be in a different mood for something depending on how their day is going :) (08:51:05 PM) djf_jeff: mmcgrath: does the infrastructure consist only on Fedora servers? (08:51:27 PM) mmcgrath: djf_jeff: so, here's a quick history lesson. (08:51:34 PM) mmcgrath: about 2 years ago we only had something like 13 servers. (08:51:40 PM) mmcgrath: Almost all of which were in Phoenix. (08:51:45 PM) mmcgrath: which is Red Hat's colo. (08:51:54 PM) mmcgrath: We did have a couple elsewhere, like at Duke. (08:52:13 PM) mmcgrath: our explosive growth, plus virtualization, we've now expanded to well over 100 servers. (08:52:22 PM) mmcgrath: and many of them are not in PHX and not on Red Hat owned hardware. (08:52:44 PM) mmcgrath: fedorahosted.org, talk.fedoraproject.org, fedorapeople, all sorts of services exist on no RH hardware at all. (08:52:52 PM) mmcgrath: fedorapeople.org for example, is provided by Boston University (08:53:02 PM) mmcgrath: we still maintain the actual operating system and everything on it. (08:53:14 PM) mmcgrath: but the hardware, power, network, etc. Has all been donated. (08:53:32 PM) mmcgrath: On the actual servers themselves we run both Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora depending on the task of the server. (08:53:37 PM) mmcgrath: we even have some rawhide out there :) (08:54:15 PM) ***mmcgrath notes his proud sponsors - http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors (08:54:23 PM) djf_jeff: good, thank you for the answer! (08:54:35 PM) ke4qqq: how much donated equipment as a percentage is there? (08:54:40 PM) ke4qqq: ie not donated by RH (08:55:01 PM) mmcgrath: Thats a good question. (08:55:22 PM) mmcgrath: If you exclude the public mirrors and the buildsystem. (08:55:35 PM) mmcgrath: I'd say only about 40% of the physical servers are owned by Red Hat. (08:55:43 PM) mmcgrath: compared to 90% just a couple of years ago. (08:56:03 PM) ke4qqq: wow that's impressive (08:56:06 PM) mmcgrath: The buildsystem kind of throws things for a loop but even including the buildsystem I'd say its only 60-70% RH owned. (08:56:12 PM) inode0: really nice that more people/companies are getting involved (08:56:15 PM) mmcgrath: I've worked hard to spread our servers. (08:56:38 PM) ke4qqq: so as we are talking with companies - anything in particular you are looking for hardware wise (08:56:39 PM) mmcgrath: It benefits everyone. Its cheaper for RH, puts more ownership in the community and allows companies to get involved with Fedora in an official manner. (08:57:01 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: really the biggest request would be a server with lots of ram, bandwidth and power. (08:57:22 PM) mmcgrath: our standard request is a 32G RAM box, 2 quad core processors, and 250-750G drive space. (08:57:32 PM) mmcgrath: using virtualization... a server like that can go a VERY long way. (08:57:43 PM) mmcgrath: in theory we could fit 64 test hosts on a server like that. (08:58:00 PM) mmcgrath: production level stuff around 5-10 hosts (08:58:05 PM) mmcgrath: if you do a "dig fedoraproject.org" (08:58:09 PM) mmcgrath: you'll notice we're multihomed. (08:58:11 PM) ke4qqq: that's not too bad, maybe 5k in cost for the hardware (08:58:16 PM) quaid: yeah, we should be able to recruit hosting sponsors at events. (08:58:22 PM) ke4qqq: yeah (08:58:23 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: yep, 5k on the low end 10k on the very high end. (08:58:38 PM) mmcgrath: we've really got a mature environment, and having additional hosting can go a long way. (08:58:53 PM) ke4qqq: what if someone wants to do a one time gift rather than coloing - can they just ship you a server? (08:59:02 PM) mmcgrath: ke4qqq: yep, we've had that before too. (08:59:09 PM) inode0: are there university sponsors beyond BU and Duke? (08:59:12 PM) mmcgrath: Or even one company gives a free server, the other gives free hosting. (08:59:20 PM) mmcgrath: inode0: actually Duke is no longer a sponsor I'm afraid (08:59:27 PM) ke4qqq: I remeber talk of space issues in phx, so I wasn't sure (08:59:55 PM) mmcgrath: I don't think there are other university sponsors. Ibiblio might sortof count (09:00:26 PM) inode0: we can work on that too :) (09:00:46 PM) ***mmcgrath likes working with universities, it feels... natural. (09:00:53 PM) ke4qqq: yeah... lots of opportunity there (09:01:35 PM) inode0: this has been great (09:02:03 PM) ***mmcgrath is always happy to talk about this stuff so just let me know or stop by #fedora-admin (09:02:04 PM) inode0: I don't want to chase mmcgrath off but don't want to keep him too much longer either, he is busy and needs to sleep (09:02:13 PM) DemonJester: yes, very interesting and informative thanks for your time! (09:02:15 PM) mmcgrath: :) (09:02:37 PM) inode0: yes, thanks a bunch mmcgrath, we'll keep in touch (09:02:39 PM) pcalarco: thanks much, mmcgrath! (09:02:42 PM) djf_jeff: thanks for your time, I really appreciate the informations! (09:02:45 PM) ke4qqq: thanks Mike! (09:02:51 PM) mmcgrath: well I'll get to some stuff but I'll be around for a while so if you want to know anything, just ping! (09:03:17 PM) inode0: feel free to jump in if are moved to :) (09:03:44 PM) inode0: Next agenda time is FAD et. al. - lcafiero (09:03:45 PM) jsmidt_: thanks mmcgrath (09:04:09 PM) inode0: did larry come back? (09:04:41 PM) inode0: perhaps next will be Montreal - djf_jeff :) (09:04:54 PM) djf_jeff: ok, np (09:04:54 PM) ***DemonJester needs to step away for a bit. (09:05:27 PM) djf_jeff: very good news, my employer is happy to pay my travel cost, salary and let me stay at our company apartment in Montreal for the week! So, I can confirm my presence for the symposium! (09:05:34 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding (09:05:36 PM) ke4qqq: ! (09:05:39 PM) inode0: woot (09:05:47 PM) pcalarco: awesome (09:06:30 PM) inode0: ke4qqq (09:06:35 PM) djf_jeff: yeah, really kind of him (09:06:50 PM) ke4qqq: what can we do to facilitate your success? (09:07:21 PM) ke4qqq: inode0? (09:07:36 PM) djf_jeff: now, I am relatively new to the Ambassador group, so I will need your help and guidance for the event (09:08:24 PM) djf_jeff: what is normally planned for an event like that, what is the normal Fedora presence, is there anything extra that we can do, etc? (09:08:34 PM) ke4qqq: ok, well we can certainly help you there. (09:09:04 PM) ***inode0 steps out for 5 minutes (09:09:11 PM) djf_jeff: I know that some of you has already talk to the symposium people on some details, like booth, etc (09:09:34 PM) ke4qqq: yes - well matt has talked to people - we'll get you hooked up with those folks and see what you can grow it into (09:10:20 PM) djf_jeff: good, you will certainly see me on #fedora-ambassador asking questions ;) (09:10:44 PM) djf_jeff: #fedora-ambassadors or else I will be alone (09:11:03 PM) ke4qqq: ok (09:11:15 PM) ke4qqq: we'll get you hooked up (09:11:59 PM) ke4qqq: welcome larry (09:12:05 PM) ke4qqq: tell us abotu fad (09:12:07 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is the real Larry Cafiero (09:12:20 PM) ***the_real_lcafier urges you to accept no substitutes. (09:12:23 PM) quaid: /msg nickserv help ghost (09:12:34 PM) djf_jeff: so for the moment, I am done with my point and can let lcafiero to his point (09:12:35 PM) quaid: the_real_lcafier: ^^^^^^ (09:12:56 PM) the_real_lcafier: Oh, sorry djf_jeff (09:13:11 PM) djf_jeff: np, I was already done! (09:13:16 PM) ***quaid ready to play straight man for the_real_lcafier (09:13:25 PM) the_real_lcafier: Thanks, quaid (09:13:40 PM) the_real_lcafier: Okay, sorry. I had to go home because my wife locked herself out of the house (09:13:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: Anyway, FAD-SCaLE and beyond. (09:14:21 PM) the_real_lcafier: FAD-SCaLE planning is going as scheduled. We have the Kennedy Room at the Westin Airport Los Angeles on Friday 2/20 from 9-6 (09:15:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Today we scheduled a Birds of a Feather for 7-8 in the room next to it, where we can either do what's normally done at BoF or continue working (09:15:18 PM) ***the_real_lcafier votes for the former. (09:15:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: We;re anticipating the participation of ke4qqq, who may fly from sea to shining sea to join us, true? (09:15:54 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps (09:16:02 PM) ke4qqq: still waiting on $dayjob to tell me yes or no (09:16:06 PM) the_real_lcafier: And everyone else who may be in the neighborhood who might want to participate. (09:16:13 PM) ***the_real_lcafier crosses fingers (09:16:14 PM) ke4qqq: though at least one day will be dedicated to zenoss if i do (09:16:26 PM) ke4qqq: have you hit the socal people up? (09:16:44 PM) the_real_lcafier: zenoss may be at the same time as FAD, and if so I'm pulling the fire alarm near the Zanoss presentation. (09:17:20 PM) the_real_lcafier: We also have one or two more slots for volunteers to staff the booth. (09:17:42 PM) the_real_lcafier: So far it's herlo, quaid, me, jsmidt_ and . . . is anyone here I'm missing? (09:17:56 PM) quaid: ke4qqq perhaps (09:17:58 PM) quaid: jds2001: (09:17:59 PM) ke4qqq: adora hopefully (09:18:04 PM) ke4qqq: jds2001 is flying in (09:18:06 PM) jsmidt_: yep (09:18:16 PM) the_real_lcafier: adora is moving from san diego to santa cruz that weekend and is unavailable. (09:18:26 PM) inode0: be sure to add your names to the list at (09:18:29 PM) ke4qqq: she's moving to quaidtown??? (09:18:32 PM) ke4qqq: with david? (09:18:33 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x (09:18:37 PM) quaid: ain't that funny (09:18:55 PM) the_real_lcafier: indeed. (09:19:00 PM) ke4qqq: I expect her to be fully indoctrinated shortly thereafter (09:19:32 PM) the_real_lcafier: Looking forward a little bit, we've contacted LFNW to have a FAD and booth there in April. (09:19:42 PM) ***djf_jeff need to step out for 10 minutes (09:20:14 PM) quaid: ke4qqq: she doesn't know it, but we're going to talk her in to leading the in-danger SlugLUG :) (09:20:16 PM) the_real_lcafier: Also -- jsmidt_ can pipe in here too since he's in the forefront of this -- we're also planning an event at UC Irvine called LUCI -- Linux UC Irvine. (09:20:30 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 to quaid :-) (09:20:37 PM) jsmidt_: yes on April 11 (09:20:37 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:20:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: Want to talk about LUCI, jsmidt_ ? (09:20:53 PM) jsmidt_: Sure (09:20:54 PM) the_real_lcafier: Or shall I drone on?? (09:21:02 PM) ke4qqq: she used to organize barcamp SD so she should be a good resource. (09:21:39 PM) jsmidt_: We want to build a Linux presence in the Irvine (09:22:08 PM) jsmidt_: the_real_lcafier, and myself along with the Ubuntu Loco team have decided to hold an event we are calling LUCI (09:22:32 PM) jsmidt_: We will also invite any upstream who would like to attend. (09:23:08 PM) jsmidt_: We will give talks and presentations for students as well as how educators can use Linux in their enviornment (09:23:29 PM) jsmidt_: I think I have found the right place to hold the event (09:23:37 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 jsmidt_ (09:24:00 PM) jsmidt_: There is a decent semiar room with a lounge with couches and space to set up displays/booths, etc (09:24:12 PM) jsmidt_: Everyone is invited. (09:24:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LUCI (09:24:33 PM) jsmidt_: I hope this helps gets Linux noticed by local eduactors and students (09:24:44 PM) jsmidt_: That's it in a nutshell (09:25:34 PM) the_real_lcafier: Also, there's an emphasis on upstream here, I think. But anyway, jsmidt_ is on campus and it's a pretty good opportunity to get exposure for Fedora in a rather populous area. (09:25:35 PM) inode0: fantastic stuff going on on the west coast (09:26:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Orange County is bigger than several states, population wise (09:26:22 PM) inode0: better orange juice than most states too (09:26:37 PM) the_real_lcafier: I prefer Iowa orange juice, inode0 (09:26:38 PM) inode0: people who live there may not know that :) (09:26:39 PM) the_real_lcafier: :-) (09:27:02 PM) the_real_lcafier: But essentially, there are a list of the upcoming FADs on the FAD wiki page (09:27:10 PM) the_real_lcafier: the name of which escapes me (09:27:40 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD (09:27:53 PM) the_real_lcafier: And I wanted to touch on one thing that someone said on list -- I think someone wanted to know when the FAD in there area was going to happen, and I haven't replied but I would have said "When do you plan to organize it?" (09:28:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Thanks, inode0! (09:28:36 PM) quaid: that came up during the Board IRC meeting today (09:28:40 PM) quaid: in the public channel (09:28:46 PM) inode0: mmcgrath is also working on a Chicago area FAD and others may want to consider joining with him to make that happen (09:28:57 PM) quaid: one thing about this coming FAD at SCaLE (09:28:59 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'm sorry I missed the Montreal presentation earlier while driving home (09:29:07 PM) quaid: I REALLY want to include virtual folks (09:29:23 PM) quaid: via irc and talk (09:29:25 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: see I can attend Zenoss and FAD virtually :) (09:29:29 PM) inode0: quaid: might that be possible at SCaLE? (09:29:31 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 quaid -- we discussed that today and that's something we're going to do at FAD SCaLE (09:29:39 PM) ***pcalarco can likely help with a Chicago FAD (09:29:40 PM) quaid: I'm hoping the much lower distraction, higher focus of a small FAD group will facilitate that (09:29:44 PM) quaid: inode0: that's the one (09:29:44 PM) inode0: because I'm very interested in trying to participate remotely (09:29:48 PM) the_real_lcafier: we = quaid and me (09:30:18 PM) quaid: inode0: yes; for the User Guide and Fonts packaging; I want to see if we can get the lead for the UG and maybe nim-nim available during some/all of the time (09:30:22 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is relieved he doesn't have to pull the fire alarm (09:30:34 PM) quaid: plus anyone else who wants to help (09:31:03 PM) inode0: sweet (09:31:05 PM) quaid: so if anyone wants to bring SIP phone or audio gear ... :) (09:31:13 PM) ianweller: i would help if i didn't live 5 states away or have school or no money, fyi. :) (09:31:20 PM) the_real_lcafier: is this something we should include in the event box, quaid? (09:31:21 PM) ***ianweller continues lurking (09:31:28 PM) quaid: the_real_lcafier: good question (09:31:35 PM) inode0: that has come up (09:31:45 PM) quaid: inode0: if you are around on 20 Feb you'll surely be asked for something :) (09:31:47 PM) the_real_lcafier: ianweller, you can still attend virtually (09:31:52 PM) ianweller: the_real_lcafier: \o/ (09:32:34 PM) the_real_lcafier: wouldn't be the same without you, ianweller (09:32:46 PM) inode0: we can and should spend persistent infrastructure resources on getting audio gear for event boxes, at least I completely support that (09:33:11 PM) the_real_lcafier: Sounds like an agenda item for the next meeting . . . . (09:33:14 PM) ke4qqq: stickster_afk: can we ship lcafiero a sip phone for this adventure? (09:33:20 PM) ***the_real_lcafier agrees with inode0 (09:33:32 PM) quaid: I have one that needs a PoE adapter (09:33:39 PM) quaid: I can bring that p'raps (09:34:00 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: I thought you were hooking quaid up with that (09:34:39 PM) quaid: oh? (09:35:51 PM) ***quaid disappears for a bit (09:36:07 PM) ke4qqq: alright - has inode0 reappeared? (09:36:09 PM) inode0: Shall we open the floor now? (09:36:16 PM) ***ke4qqq raises his hand (09:36:17 PM) inode0: Any other topics (09:36:20 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: (09:36:33 PM) ke4qqq: ok, so OLPC is shipping me 20k worth of XOs (09:36:42 PM) ke4qqq: that we have 6 months to do something with (09:36:52 PM) ke4qqq: and show that we have a positive return for them (09:37:04 PM) ke4qqq: they were very pleased with the QA stuff last release (09:37:21 PM) ke4qqq: sooooo.... first things first - i need to get them in Ambassadors hands (09:37:37 PM) ke4qqq: multiple of them, because your job is to get rid of them. (09:37:40 PM) inode0: don't you need to get them in developers hands?! (09:37:41 PM) ke4qqq: to develoeprs (09:38:00 PM) ke4qqq: I can't do that if people who interact with potential develoeprs don't have them to hand out (09:38:23 PM) ***inode0 has no idea how you are planning to disperse them (09:38:33 PM) ke4qqq: so I'll send 6-10 with inode0 for Pycon.... (09:38:54 PM) ke4qqq: he can keep one, and work on finding some dedicated python hackers (09:39:00 PM) inode0: possibly not a good idea since inode0 doesn't know if he is going to pycon (09:39:03 PM) ke4qqq: to work on sugar or olpc or whatever (09:39:13 PM) ke4qqq: well pretend that for my example you are (09:39:20 PM) herlo: you guys can't forget spot for the FAD at SCaLE :) (09:39:20 PM) inode0: but we can get them to pycon through someone who is (09:39:51 PM) jsmidt_: ke4qqq, I'm confused, what are people supposed to do with these? (09:40:09 PM) inode0: good place to back up to (09:40:11 PM) ke4qqq: b/c this is unexpected, I'll likely only ship some for SCALE this month so as not to tear our shipping budget to shreds (09:40:24 PM) ke4qqq: ok (09:40:28 PM) ke4qqq: so a bit of history (09:40:41 PM) ke4qqq: OLPC's Give one get one program this year didn't do so well (09:40:48 PM) ke4qqq: as a matter of fact it did really poorly.... (09:40:58 PM) ke4qqq: they were dependent on that for funding engineering (09:41:14 PM) ke4qqq: so now they are working to have a stock f11 work on the xo (09:41:28 PM) ke4qqq: which means all of the hacks they introduced have to be merged or coded around (09:41:34 PM) ke4qqq: which means lots of packaging. (09:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: in addition there are lots of things that just need to be written as sugar activities (09:42:00 PM) ke4qqq: one of the ways that we encourage contributors to contribute (09:42:05 PM) ke4qqq: is handing out an XO (09:42:16 PM) ***pcalarco read on the OLPC wiki that they raised $35M on this last G1G1 (09:42:44 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: that must be the LAST LAST ie 2 chrismases ago (09:42:47 PM) inode0: sounds wrong (09:42:50 PM) pcalarco: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=7502 (09:42:55 PM) ke4qqq: pcalarco: i know the real numbers and that isn't close (09:43:02 PM) pcalarco: ah, last year sry (09:43:21 PM) ke4qqq: so they are going to be a pure Fedora distro, not a remix or anything (09:43:28 PM) inode0: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/g1g1_2008/olpc_bust_g1g1_2008_sales.html (09:43:31 PM) ke4qqq: and there are 750k oLPC users (09:43:43 PM) ke4qqq: running what is essentially Fedora now (09:43:56 PM) the_real_lcafier: there is an active olpc user group in san francisco that I think we can draw help from (09:43:58 PM) inode0: that would be from the 2007 one pcalarco (09:44:09 PM) the_real_lcafier: at san francisco state university (09:44:13 PM) DemonJester: I could probably get about 8 devs between local college guys here and rochester if I can get them (09:44:28 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: done (09:44:31 PM) ke4qqq: i'll ship you 10 (09:44:40 PM) DemonJester: that would be cool! (09:44:46 PM) ke4qqq: now (09:45:00 PM) ke4qqq: the onus is on us to prove that this is beneficial (09:45:08 PM) ke4qqq: so we need to know who they went to (09:45:12 PM) ke4qqq: and what they are doing with them (09:45:16 PM) ke4qqq: and show results (09:45:22 PM) herlo: hrm, so can I be a negative nilly for a bit? (09:45:24 PM) ke4qqq: be it a month down the road or 6 months (09:45:32 PM) ke4qqq: give me one more minute (09:45:39 PM) ke4qqq: and then you can (09:45:42 PM) herlo: k, I'll go when you are ready, just let me know (09:45:52 PM) ke4qqq: and that also means you need to know what the OLPC sig is looking for (09:46:06 PM) ke4qqq: so read the minutes, send email to the list, etc. (09:46:10 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: go negative (09:46:52 PM) herlo: I'm all for making the OLPC successful, but I'm certain that while we can get some devs and even do some follow up, I'd like to know what we're going to do to make sure we cover our bases and track these things. (09:46:52 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: will do (09:47:35 PM) herlo: handing them out left and right only guarantees that we're giving them away. I'm happy to take a few myself (send them to lcafiero), but I find myself torn because tracking progress and providing results are very intertwined (09:47:56 PM) herlo: so my negative comment is, who's going to track all these laptops and the devs we give them to? And how? (09:48:00 PM) ke4qqq: wiki page should work I think, that also gives us a basis to follow up (09:48:13 PM) ke4qqq: the people who hand them out should do the follow up (09:48:18 PM) herlo: it seems like a big job to do for each of us who is already busy with a bunch of other things and lives to boot (09:48:34 PM) herlo: I'm just trying to put a bit of reality in here... (09:48:51 PM) the_real_lcafier: herlo is right, but I'm willing to add that to the list of things I have to do in my somewhat mundane life (09:48:54 PM) ke4qqq: one of the problems that olpc had a problem with is handling this program....I mean we asked for 4, and it took us months - and that's with two Fedora people on the inside lobbying for it, to get them. (09:49:27 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: but you said you got a ton coming quickly this last time right? (09:49:31 PM) ke4qqq: nothing says you have to, but i don't think it's more onerous than doing followup with people from shows that we do already (09:49:50 PM) herlo: we're supposed to follow up with people from shows ?? :-P (09:49:53 PM) ke4qqq: 100 are enroute, and i'm storing them unless someone else wants them (09:50:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: lol @ herlo (09:50:25 PM) jsmidt_: I can try to find a developer (09:50:33 PM) ke4qqq: right, the problem olpc had was they'd get someone interested, they'd start doing work ask for an XO and it'd never show up (09:50:41 PM) ke4qqq: or it'd show up after they gave up. (09:50:45 PM) the_real_lcafier: If you want to send me some for SCaLE, as herlo suggests, you can send some to me ke4qqq (09:50:56 PM) herlo: jsmidt_: that's kind of where I am, I don't know too many developers... (09:51:02 PM) ke4qqq: the_real_lcafier: I plan on it. (09:51:11 PM) the_real_lcafier: and I can find people to work on them. (09:51:28 PM) ke4qqq: it's python for crying out loud, not assembly (09:51:32 PM) the_real_lcafier: The Felton LUG doesn't realize what a great project they're about to embark on, bwahahahaha! (09:51:37 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:51:39 PM) herlo: lol (09:51:40 PM) jsmidt_: I'm sure I can find someone. If you give one to give to the_real_lcafier he can get it to me (09:51:44 PM) jsmidt_: If before Scale (09:51:47 PM) herlo: I guess I could offer them to the LUGs around here... (09:51:50 PM) ke4qqq: k (09:51:58 PM) herlo: might get a few bites.. (09:52:10 PM) ke4qqq: be an interesting project for a lug - a lot of simple activities are in the request queue right now (09:52:11 PM) ***herlo is less negative now, but wants a better process (09:52:14 PM) ke4qqq: like simple addition (09:52:18 PM) the_real_lcafier: I will also talk to sameer verma at sf state to see if we can draft some folks from up there. (09:52:22 PM) ke4qqq: yes, I have to codify the process (09:52:30 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh so that's an interesting thing (09:52:35 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: I could use one, being a bugzilla guy always trying to fix some bug. But for the moment, it will really be to show off to some government and more useful, to some university and lug in my region that can help us if the get in the project (09:52:36 PM) jsmidt_: There has to be developers in the LA area (09:52:37 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: one app I'd like to see is a real chat app, one that uses xmpp or something (09:52:49 PM) jsmidt_: That are interested (09:52:51 PM) pcalarco: OLPC Summer of Code! (09:52:54 PM) herlo: ya! (09:52:59 PM) ke4qqq: I had a college here ready to pay undergrads to work on OLPC (09:53:00 PM) ***herlo slaps his horse (09:53:02 PM) ke4qqq: but (09:53:14 PM) ke4qqq: OLPC didn't get them a machine fast enough so they lost funding for it (09:53:19 PM) ke4qqq: that's the kind of thing we want to avoid (09:53:22 PM) the_real_lcafier: Clemson? (09:53:28 PM) ke4qqq: College of Charletson (09:53:47 PM) ke4qqq: that's the kind of thing that's ideal (09:54:05 PM) ke4qqq: sooooo all of you people wanting these - fill out a famna request :0 (09:54:08 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'll also talk to faculty at Oregon State to see if there's an interest up there. (09:54:24 PM) the_real_lcafier: +1 ke4qqq (09:54:44 PM) jsmidt_: ke4qqq, where are famna requests? (09:54:49 PM) ke4qqq: I told Ed Mcnierney that if he gave us the tools to do the job that we'd do a better job in 6 motnhs than they have in 2 years. (09:55:02 PM) ke4qqq: fedorahosted.org/famna-requests (09:55:06 PM) ke4qqq: right/ (09:55:08 PM) ke4qqq: ? (09:55:08 PM) pcalarco: I can talk to the folks in CompSci here as well; there is also interest in using XOs in a University project in Nigeria that ND has going (09:55:10 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: but, does it count if it's just one unit to show off to potential dev, because I don't know 10 devs right now (09:55:25 PM) djf_jeff: and I don't want to get 10 olpc just for fun (09:55:29 PM) ke4qqq: djf_jeff: yes, you'll get oen (09:55:41 PM) ke4qqq: you have to show them off to get people interested (09:55:47 PM) ke4qqq: and it's a great geek magnet (09:55:48 PM) inode0: but we will have to track you djf_jeff :) (09:55:51 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:56:10 PM) ke4qqq: yeah, I do expect some reports about how you are showing these off - even if just blog posts.... (09:56:13 PM) the_real_lcafier: heh (09:56:15 PM) ke4qqq: olpc is reading them (09:56:48 PM) ke4qqq: the reason they agreed aside from greg telling them to send them to me, was they saw that I pushed OLPC and mentioned it in my blog at every speaking opportunity (09:56:50 PM) djf_jeff: np with that, there is a lug meeting each month with ~15-25 peoples, surely one or two will be interested (09:56:58 PM) ke4qqq: right (09:58:01 PM) ke4qqq: and we completely run this - no one is telling us how, so if you have a good idea for how to increase people working on Fedora/olpc and it involves an XO, get it done (09:58:10 PM) ke4qqq: we have the equipment coming (09:58:19 PM) ke4qqq: it should be here next week (09:58:33 PM) ke4qqq: and btw (09:58:45 PM) ke4qqq: the most awesome demonstration i've seen with an XO yet (09:59:00 PM) ke4qqq: is to watch gdk kick an XO across the room - so don't be afraid to do that (09:59:09 PM) the_real_lcafier: cool (09:59:10 PM) ke4qqq: they really will take it with no problems (09:59:27 PM) the_real_lcafier: I'd even stand with my arms up as a goalpost (09:59:32 PM) ke4qqq: lol (09:59:37 PM) ke4qqq: any questions (09:59:38 PM) ke4qqq: ? (09:59:41 PM) djf_jeff: kick like in really big kick? (09:59:52 PM) djf_jeff: chuck norris style? ;) (10:00:00 PM) the_real_lcafier: Yeah, they were dropping them a couple of years ago on purpose at LinuxWorld. (10:00:04 PM) ke4qqq: like in enough to send a 3-4 lb laptop across a 15 foot room. (10:00:47 PM) djf_jeff: wow, didn't know it was built so hard (10:01:14 PM) the_real_lcafier: so we go to fedorahosted.org/famna-requests, ke4qqq (10:01:14 PM) ke4qqq: ok - then since no questions - i am done (10:01:18 PM) inode0: everyone can take a bit of time to think about this maybe ... sort of sudden news to absorb in 15 minutes (10:01:19 PM) ke4qqq: yep (10:01:26 PM) ke4qqq: yeah it is (10:01:31 PM) the_real_lcafier: Well, it's pretty interesting, yeah. (10:01:35 PM) ke4qqq: I honestly had doubts about whether they were going to let us (10:01:46 PM) ke4qqq: but they left chitown today (10:01:47 PM) the_real_lcafier: But at least I have several developers who I know might want to take a stab at it (10:01:53 PM) inode0: with some thought this group can come up with ideas (10:01:54 PM) the_real_lcafier: off the top of my head. (10:02:19 PM) ***the_real_lcafier is being called to dinner (10:02:26 PM) ke4qqq: and btw, promotion in my opinion is on the same level as developing if you are working to get contributors (even if they do nothing but qa work0 (10:02:32 PM) inode0: end of a 2 hour long meeting at the end of a 24 hour long day isn't conducive to clear thinking :) (10:03:12 PM) ke4qqq: you'll see more about this on the list in a day or so and a page on the wiki as well (10:03:28 PM) inode0: ok, before we wrap let me remind everyone next meeting is in 2 weeks on the 17th (10:03:35 PM) ***herlo wonders if bi-monthly meetings are the best idea :) (10:03:47 PM) inode0: try it for one month maybe :) (10:03:56 PM) inode0: or we'll never know (10:04:31 PM) herlo: hehe, it's fine with me, gives me more time to get things ready (10:04:36 PM) ke4qqq: indeed (10:04:45 PM) djf_jeff: ke4qqq: what is the status of the olpc translation just to know? (10:04:53 PM) inode0: if we need to go into emergency session next week we can if someone sends the secret signal (10:05:16 PM) ke4qqq: djf_jeff: it will be the same as Fedora's translation for this coming release (10:05:19 PM) ke4qqq: for past i don't know (10:05:41 PM) djf_jeff: ok, thank you (10:05:43 PM) ke4qqq: they are going stock F11 for their next release (10:06:00 PM) djf_jeff: stock F11 with sugar interface? (10:06:13 PM) ke4qqq: yes (10:06:18 PM) inode0: perhaps a gregdek visit sometime in our future would be good? (10:06:24 PM) ke4qqq: perhaps so (10:06:33 PM) djf_jeff: wow, really a good point for Fedora (10:06:34 PM) ke4qqq: next meeting? (10:06:51 PM) ke4qqq: it's always been Fedora (since f7) but they added their own stuff to it (10:06:56 PM) ke4qqq: now it's stock (10:07:04 PM) ***DemonJester notes I need to make time to attend the olpc meetings again (10:07:27 PM) inode0: will there be a lot of SCaLE/FAD stuff next meeting? (10:07:54 PM) inode0: we also need to set the post February meeting schedule before it is post February (10:08:17 PM) inode0: as I requested proposed times so far there have been none (10:08:45 PM) ke4qqq: that sounds like we stay the same (10:08:54 PM) ***DemonJester agrees (10:09:27 PM) inode0: by same you mean 1st/3rd Tuesday? or weekly on Tuesday? (10:09:48 PM) inode0: or just Tuesday same time whenever we decide? (10:10:05 PM) ke4qqq: time wise (10:10:09 PM) ke4qqq: 9pm eastern (10:10:26 PM) ke4qqq: we are still evaluating the twice monthly meeting (10:10:45 PM) inode0: I'm going to post one last time and announce the decision will be made next meeting ... so if there are no specific times proposed for the change it will stay the same. (10:11:17 PM) inode0: if there are we'll take it up in 2 weeks? (10:11:33 PM) ***DemonJester heads out (10:11:41 PM) inode0: we need to rap this up now (10:11:44 PM) ke4qqq: +1 (10:11:51 PM) inode0: thanks everyone for the long night (10:11:52 PM) inode0: 5 (10:11:54 PM) inode0: 4 (10:11:57 PM) inode0: 3 (10:11:58 PM) inode0: 2 (10:11:59 PM) inode0: 1 (10:12:01 PM) inode0: EOF

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