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FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-09-30
by Brian Powell 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

21:00-!- ke4qqq changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: NA Ambassadors meeting 21:01 * herlo is Clint Savage and is present 21:01-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAMNA Meeting - Roll Call!! 21:01< KarlieRobinson> KarlieRobinson 21:01 * ke4qqq is also present 21:01-!- inode0 [n=inode0@fedora/inode0] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:02 * DemonJester BrianPowell 21:03-!- spoleeba [n=one@fedora/Jef] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:04< herlo> anyone else? rislam?? 21:04-!- rdieter [n=rdieter(a)ip68-110-20-4.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:04 * ianweller lurks 21:05-!- vwbusguy [n=scott@fedora/vwbusguy] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:05< vwbusguy> here 21:05-!- crossbytes [n=crossbyt@fedora/crossbytes] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:06< ke4qqq> lets begin then 21:06< ke4qqq> who wants to post irc log? 21:06< DemonJester> ! 21:07< ke4qqq> DemonJester has it. 21:07< ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-30#Agenda 21:07< ke4qqq> Agenda ^^^ 21:08< ke4qqq> Alright - first up - lets talk about recruiting new contributors to Fedora 21:09< herlo> wasn't that what rislam wanted to discuss?? 21:09< ke4qqq> no, he wanted to talk about involving new ambassadors 21:09< herlo> oh 21:09< ke4qqq> I added this one 21:09 * herlo yields the floor 21:10< ke4qqq> Alright - well I'll just say what I am thinking.....and that is that we aren't doing enough to recruit new people 21:10< ke4qqq> to contribute 21:10< ke4qqq> in NA 21:11-!- rislam [i=rislam(a)74.198.38.238] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:11< ke4qqq> So I'd like to hear what people see as problems with getting people 21:11< herlo> direction 21:11< ke4qqq> recruited 21:11< KarlieRobinson> I met a guy through OLPC wanting to know how to become an ambassador 21:11< ke4qqq> interesting - that's true.... 21:11< KarlieRobinson> he seemed to think that it was hard to become one 21:11< herlo> I don't know about you, but what direction are we giving people to become contributors 21:11< rislam> sorry for being late 21:11< rislam> RashadulIslam 21:11< ke4qqq> well not just that, but are we even trying to recruit 21:12 * ke4qqq yields the meeting to rislam 21:12< DemonJester> my first thought is lack of numbers and effort. 21:12< rislam> thx ke4qqq 21:12< ke4qqq> lack of numbers of what?? and what kind of effort. 21:12< ke4qqq> maybe the better question is how do we fix it. 21:13< DemonJester> effort/direction.. lack of active ambassadors 21:13< DemonJester> lets face it out of the number of NA Ambassadors I am not seeing much done except by a very small group. 21:13< rislam> DemonJester: we need a solution for this 21:13< herlo> ! 21:13< ke4qqq> herlo: 21:14< rislam> my proposal is : monthly report 21:14< herlo> so the thing I want to point out is that while we don't have a ton of what you say *active* ambassadors, we do have quite a few we don't actually know about 21:14 * herlo shies away from that word in bold 21:14< ke4qqq> +1 21:14< DemonJester> I would agree as well but how do we find them? 21:15< herlo> I've been watching over the past few months and am realizing that many of our contributors are already ambassadors... 21:15< herlo> not in the formal sense 21:15< vwbusguy> yeah 21:15< rislam> +1 herlo 21:15< DemonJester> I would expand that to the point of normal Fedora users to some extent as well. 21:15< rislam> specially in my region the number is not so many 21:15< ke4qqq> sure - but really I am concerned about the ones who are doing the work and how we get them to bring in others - the people who are the 'unsigned ambassadors' we have little control over. 21:15< herlo> which is something we could focus on, but getting more contributors in NA I think is somewhat limited by the fact that we don't have organized groups out there 21:16< herlo> I think about the Ubuntu Loco's for instance. 21:16< crossbytes> I think it would be helpful to have a wiki showing us new ambassadors what groups are available and where we can contribute 21:16< herlo> I'm not suggesting we go and make fugs either 21:16< vwbusguy> crossbytes, +1 21:16< ke4qqq> I'll take exception to that crossbytes 21:16< vwbusguy> herlo, no but maybe a list of helpful cinlugs 21:16< herlo> crossbytes: join.fedoraproject.org is that place 21:16< vwbusguy> sorry lugs 21:16< ke4qqq> no offence 21:17< ke4qqq> but I have no idea what's going on in your state 21:17< ke4qqq> I have a hard enough time finding out what's going on in my state 21:17< ke4qqq> (and it is hard) 21:17< ke4qqq> but you are actually on the ground there - (and I have no idea what state you are in) 21:17< vwbusguy> maybe that could be up to the regional ambassadors to look into 21:17< herlo> the thing I think we need to focus on is getting these 'non-formal ambassadors' to go to the LUGs/Events in their area with fedora gear 21:18< herlo> as well as the formal ambassadors 21:18< herlo> the question I have is, how? 21:18< vwbusguy> and Fedora media :) 21:18< herlo> gear = media, swag, etc. 21:18< ke4qqq> hmmmm the question I have is why would they be willing to do the extra work if they aren't willing to join the ambassadors. 21:18< ke4qqq> not saying they all aren't 21:18< herlo> a lot of the times, I think they are already there 21:18< KarlieRobinson> most volunteers need to be asked before they'll do something 21:18< rislam> we should concentrate about new Ambassadors 21:19< ke4qqq> KarlieRobinson: I agree 21:19< vwbusguy> I guess what woul dappeal to someone who is already advocating Fedora on their own to join ambassadors? 21:19< rislam> KarlieRobinson, explain ur fucus statement pls 21:19< ke4qqq> vwbusguy: in the old days it was media/swag/etc.....now I don't know 21:19< rislam> focus* 21:19< KarlieRobinson> It's the point where you know what needs to be done and you ask till you find someone who says yes 21:20< ke4qqq> at times that makes me question the purpose of our existence - til I see how EMEA runs things 21:20< KarlieRobinson> Our task list, with direct "can you help with this?" 21:20< ke4qqq> ok KarlieRobinson - so let me try this - 21:21< ke4qqq> if I asked you to take responsibility (either goto or get someone else to) each LUG/installfest etc in western NY would that work? 21:21< KarlieRobinson> You'd get me talking 21:21< DemonJester> and me as well.. 21:21< KarlieRobinson> it wouldn't mean I have the time to do it, but you could certainly ask 21:21< herlo> I don't think it would. But if you asked her, would you go to this *one* event coming up in 3 weeks, can you do that? 21:21-!- jyulliano [n=jyullian(a)189.25.89.109] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:22< KarlieRobinson> That would be a better way to do it Herlo 21:22< herlo> and then at the next event ask again, and ask others too... 21:22< ke4qqq> herlo: that's the problem 21:22< herlo> what we need maybe is a 'Call to Action' campaign 21:22< rislam> + KarlieRobinson and DemonJester 21:22-!- tuanta [n=tuanta(a)222.254.7.135] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:22< ke4qqq> I have found 3 events that were advertised nowhere - that no other distro showed up to 21:22< herlo> in other words, we 'Call to Action' those that could help for a specific event/meeting 21:22< rislam> So we need a better speaker ? 21:23< KarlieRobinson> The thing with volunteers is that you have to be conscious about the time they're giving while still meeting your needs 21:23< ke4qqq> how do I know that ohena falls ny is having an installfest 21:23< inode0> I suggested once such a thing to run along with release events - those without events give one talk somewhere about Fedora 21:23< ke4qqq> ? 21:23< herlo> inode0: but that's not the only way to help 21:23< herlo> I think that's part of the problem 21:23< herlo> we're back to focusing only on events 21:24< inode0> no, but I am not going to ask someone to go to a lug in San Antonio because I don't know of such a lug either 21:24< ke4qqq> right......but we aren't even doing events well imo 21:24< ke4qqq> except the large stuff like olf 21:24< KarlieRobinson> so we've got two problems 21:24< herlo> what about the folks in #fedora, there's a wealth of people trying to get it running and need help. Once they have it up, they could be an excellent resource 21:24< KarlieRobinson> events and people to go to events 21:25< herlo> getting people to go to *big* events is easy 21:25< rislam> but how to make people involve with Fedora? 21:25< herlo> its the small ones that drive people to contribute IMO. We have more time to spend with them 21:25< rislam> we can get lots of new people from events? 21:25< herlo> sure, but it's about percentages 21:25< inode0> people at the local level need to find the local opportunities 21:25< ke4qqq> I tend to think so - esp at the small events 21:26< ke4qqq> +1 inode0 21:26< KarlieRobinson> it's one thing to have people flock to you, but you have to have something for them to do so they'll stay engaged with the project 21:26< inode0> we can help them with how to approach those opportunities 21:26 * herlo wants a definition now of *small* when it comes to events 21:26< ke4qqq> 20 people 21:26< ke4qqq> 20-50 is small 21:26< ke4qqq> imo 21:26< herlo> < 100 21:27< ke4qqq> I agree - thats where I think that we need to then mentor or introduce new contributors. 21:27< herlo> but again, we need more than just *events* to pull contributors from, which is why I keep going back to #fedora 21:27< rislam> to me we should discuss about these areasa to get new contributors for fedora: 21:27< KarlieRobinson> but what will these new folks do? 21:28< ke4qqq> herlo - I agree with you, but at this point - we need to concentrate on one thing - we aren't doing that one thing well yet - spreading us even more thin doesn't help. 21:28< herlo> KarlieRobinson: join.fedoraproject.org has a good list 21:28< ke4qqq> KarlieRobinson: so I have been recruiting in the past few weeks 21:28< ke4qqq> and asking specifically for Docs and OLPC - (because I know those areas) 21:28< ke4qqq> and then I introduce the new contribs 21:28< ke4qqq> to people like quaid 21:28< ke4qqq> who then gives them work 21:28< KarlieRobinson> so should we have a best practices sort of thing 21:29< rislam> +1 ke4qqq 21:29< herlo> +1 ke4qqq 21:29< herlo> I see the light here now 21:29< ke4qqq> and quaid despises me because I keep bringing him newbs to train :) j/k 21:29< herlo> we need a list of people and tasks 21:29< herlo> much like Seneca college asked for 21:29< rislam> we can easily find people who wants to help Fedora in specific area 21:29< ke4qqq> yes! 21:29< rislam> + herlo 21:29 * herlo tries to find that list 21:30< KarlieRobinson> again, best practices - senaca does it well, EMEA does things well, how can we use that to our advantage? To climb the learning curve 21:30< ke4qqq> so Karlie - would you be interested in writing that up for us? 21:31< herlo> http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Project_List 21:31< ke4qqq> I agree seneca and emea do a fabulous job 21:31< ke4qqq> I mean look at what's going on in hungary right now 21:31< herlo> ke4qqq: lol 21:31< herlo> you gave KarlieRobinson a job :) 21:31< ke4qqq> while we want to go to events and hand out media (which is good) 21:31< KarlieRobinson> Well what about a simple Help wanted? 21:31< ke4qqq> :) 21:31< inode0> so we say emea does a fabulous job - who are they recruiting and how? 21:31< herlo> KarlieRobinson: that requires jobs, well defined jobs 21:31< ke4qqq> yes 21:32< herlo> or at least projects, well defined projects 21:32< ke4qqq> which requires that we know whats going on in the project 21:32< KarlieRobinson> I know she who shares it chairs it and all, but lets not get too hasty 21:32< ke4qqq> so I know that docs needs a newbs guide to filing bugs in bz.... 21:32< herlo> and Paul's latest passion, Triage 21:32< ke4qqq> yes 21:33< KarlieRobinson> So let's define what needs help so we know what type of people we need to find. 21:33< rislam> we need all kind of people 21:33< KarlieRobinson> but that's too broad 21:33< herlo> rislam: sure, but yeah 21:33< rislam> importantly, active people 21:33< herlo> what KarlieRobinson said 21:33< KarlieRobinson> we need to know who we're looking for 21:33< ke4qqq> everything needs help - lol.....but yes - we need to talk to the sub-project owners.....and see what NEWB work they need 21:34< herlo> rislam: avoiding the word active is something we really should do 21:34< herlo> its a long story, but trust me, you don't want to go there 21:34< ke4qqq> yes - we need that to become a kickban word 21:34< herlo> well 21:34< herlo> I wouldn't go that far 21:34< KarlieRobinson> I did distaster services with the American red cross for a long time 21:34< rislam> ok herlo, thx 21:34< herlo> distaster :) 21:34< KarlieRobinson> the point with voluntters, is that sometimes you have more than you can deal with and other times not enought 21:34< herlo> true 21:34< KarlieRobinson> let a woman type ok? 21:34< herlo> :) sorry 21:35< DemonJester> lol 21:35< KarlieRobinson> when you have something big you get folks who must be carefully selected for a job 21:35< rislam> KarlieRobinson: what about Women in Fedora 21:35< rislam> ? 21:35< KarlieRobinson> anyone can operate a fork, but not everyone should be part of a feeding station 21:36< KarlieRobinson> Fedora women is around sorta, but I haven't had much time to devote to it 21:36< KarlieRobinson> you must remember that I work with over 50 Linux projects 21:36< KarlieRobinson> and Now OLPC 21:36< rislam> another is: you ask to everyone, what kind of contributor you need/ 21:36< KarlieRobinson> yes 21:37< KarlieRobinson> now you're getting it 21:37< KarlieRobinson> almost like a job description 21:37< herlo> ! 21:37< ke4qqq> so what action items can we take from this? 21:37< herlo> pointing back to what I said before 21:37< herlo> the stuff that seneca college has listed 21:38< DemonJester> a defined project requirements document. 21:38< herlo> is a good start for us, the join.fedoraproject.org page also gives us a direction 21:38-!- bpepple_ [n=bpepple|(a)adsl-75-49-22-0.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:38< herlo> so we need to take those two resources and any other good resources we can find and make a list of positions within Fedora that people can contribute to in short-order 21:38< herlo> +1 DemonJester 21:38< ke4qqq> quaid has spent a good bit of time setting up tasks for newbs.....so we need to review that and then ask others 21:39< ke4qqq> and look at what other groups take to join 21:39< herlo> ke4qqq: link?? 21:39< herlo> ooh, and another thing, Ambassadors are mentors. 21:39< ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_content_tasks_for_new_contribut… 21:39< ke4qqq> yes 21:39< ke4qqq> so don't drop them off after the fas account creation 21:39< herlo> we're here to help new contributors get started. Point them in the right direction and help them along the way 21:39< ke4qqq> follow up with people 21:40< herlo> once we see real contributions, it's not the end of the road 21:40< inode0> followup, does anyone know how emea is attacking the recruitment issue? 21:40< herlo> this, however, doesn't mean we need to know how to create art, or build rpms. It just means we need to know some people in those areas and help new contributors get there 21:41< herlo> inode0: nope, we should consider inviting emea to one of our meetings 21:41< ke4qqq> also another good newb task is triaging, and poelcat and jlaskas presentation is great - everyone should read it - just so you know what the new people will have to do to get involved. 21:41< KarlieRobinson> +1 herlo 21:41< herlo> we'd have to change the time for the meeting once though 21:41< ke4qqq> no, but we ought to know what's required to get involved 21:41< ke4qqq> and the people in the project 21:41 * inode0 thinks we should have a time convenient to emea to have a friendly chat about tactics 21:41< ke4qqq> so if it's art, we should know nicu and mizmo. 21:42< herlo> ke4qqq: right on 21:42< ke4qqq> inode0: look at the recent traffic about hungary on the list. 21:42-!- jyulliano [n=jyullian(a)189.25.89.109] has quit ["Saindo"] 21:42< ke4qqq> alright - so lets invite a project a week to join us - how about art next week? let them tell us a 10 minute synopsis about getting involved 21:43< rislam> +1 ke4qqq 21:43< inode0> great idea 21:43< KarlieRobinson> +1 21:43< herlo> +1 ke4qqq 21:43< DemonJester> +1 21:43< herlo> should we do that every week for a while? 21:43< rislam> lets see what they want 21:43< ke4qqq> yes! 21:43< herlo> different groups 21:43< inode0> yes 21:43 * herlo will get docs lined up for late October then 21:43< herlo> let's build a schedule too 21:43< inode0> this would be very helpful to me I know 21:43< ke4qqq> ok, I'll take on art 21:43< herlo> I'll take tha ton 21:43< ke4qqq> yep 21:43 * herlo is assigned a schedule 21:43< ke4qqq> then triaging/QA thereafter? 21:43< rislam> this helps me a lot too 21:44< herlo> rislam: I should point out that you are the taskmaster this week 21:44< inode0> i can arrange triage 21:44< ke4qqq> don't let that stop you from talking to these people in irc though 21:44< herlo> rislam: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks 21:44< ke4qqq> and asking questions 21:44< rislam> i am ready for that herlo 21:44< herlo> :) 21:44< crossbytes> this will help alot with my current "school" project 21:45< rislam> but you all help me to finalize the task 21:45< herlo> rislam: just add it on the tasks page and we'll help 21:46< herlo> crossbytes: how so? 21:46 * herlo is intrigued 21:46< crossbytes> being able to use the knowledge of the art meetings 21:46< herlo> :) 21:47< crossbytes> when it comes to meeting with school administrators 21:47< crossbytes> and getting Fedora in the school system here in WA 21:47< DemonJester> I can arrange QA / Release Rawhide Testing when needed in the future 21:47-!- lcafiero [n=larry(a)adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:48 * lcafiero apologizes for being so late and blames F10 Alpha not playing nice with his wireless card 21:49 * DemonJester reminds lcafiero that F10 Beta is out now.. ;-) 21:49< herlo> okay, rislam should we move on? 21:49< inode0> I will also volunteer to try to arrange a conference with emea ambassadors 21:49-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Agenda is located at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-30 21:50-!- herlo changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAMNA Meeting - Agenda is located at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-09-30 21:50< rislam> give me 1 min pls 21:51< inode0> time's up 21:52< rislam> yes please move on 21:52< ke4qqq> rislam: you are leading the meeting 21:52< herlo> rislam: you are running ht show 21:52 * inode0 was kidding 21:52-!- lajjr [n=lajjr(a)pool-71-181-174-230.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:52< herlo> we can wait a bit more if you need 21:52< rislam> Topic 2 is : Involving New Ambassadors to enrich the Fedora Community 21:52 * DemonJester hears Jeopardy music playing in background 21:53 * herlo asks if that isn't the same basic topic 21:53< KarlieRobinson> +1 herlo 21:53< herlo> or if it is different, how... 21:53< rislam> not the same basic topic 21:54< rislam> but yes it is in some way 21:54< rislam> i need to propose few things before i start 21:55< rislam> can I? 21:55< inode0> sure 21:56< rislam> a) we should invite all the Engineering association to all university to make a group for Fedora and Give them a task 21:56< rislam> b) Everyone must need to attend a conference to give a short speech about Fedora and how to join 21:57< rislam> c) Manage monthly Report and send it to the root of all ambassador 21:58< rislam> d) Let people find what is the interest of Fedora and what side they like to work 21:58< rislam> thts it 21:59< DemonJester> ! 21:59< herlo> a and b are not feasible, but I really like c. d interests me, but I think that's because it is what we are already trying to do 21:59< rislam> these few are the best way to get new people and exactly for specific side of Fedora 21:59< lajjr> Am I allowed to say something? 21:59< inode0> I think (a) is very interesting 22:00< rislam> yes please lajjr 22:00< inode0> Maybe a Fedora sponsored engineering contest of some sort?! 22:00< herlo> anyone can speak up 22:00< lajjr> Well after talking to alot of student and teachers locally I find that they a intrested in more than one.. 22:00< DemonJester> careful we dont step on Red Hat's efforts with that though 22:01 * inode0 not concerned that much about Red Hat toes at the moment 22:01< ke4qqq> don't worry about RH - results are what matter - come away with results and don't hide what you are doing and no one will say anything 22:01< herlo> ! 22:01< lajjr> are they in fact in enter into more than one.. 22:01< ke4qqq> or if they do they will applaud you 22:01< rislam> +1 inode0, the idea was great 22:02< herlo> I'm concerned about a) in that it came across to me as inviting Fedora Engineering to appear at a university 22:02< herlo> if that's not what its purpose is, please clarify 22:02< inode0> well, I was thinking of it more as some direct attempt to engage more engineering groups at universities 22:02< herlo> I liek that idea better 22:03< rislam> i make it little more clear 22:03< rislam> marketting side to all the universities have a list of to do 22:03< rislam> the purpose of these are to make the university more high ranked 22:04< rislam> we can use that through the Engineering Association 22:04< herlo> ! 22:04< herlo> I think that goes back to our point in the previous conversation about contributors, and I agree 22:05< herlo> rislam: do you disagree? 22:05< rislam> as Fedora is free and big community, they wants to include themselves with it 22:05< herlo> no argument 22:05< rislam> +1 herlo 22:06< herlo> that's much clearer and while I think it is a great goal, it fits better with the 'contributor' more than the 'ambassador' 22:06< DemonJester> I agree 22:06< herlo> as far as b) goes, my opinion is that its completely infeasible. 22:07< herlo> while its nice to get peopel to go to conferences, not everyone can afford it, either in cost or in time 22:07< DemonJester> not to mention will keep intraverted people from even thinking about it 22:07< herlo> +1 22:07< crossbytes> +1 22:07< rislam> +1 22:07< herlo> c) is in the works, and I like the idea here 22:07< herlo> maybe we should expand it to be more than just events 22:07< rislam> +1 herlo 22:07< herlo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/EventTracking 22:08< herlo> it's not great yet, I need a better model here 22:08< rislam> b) is easy to handle because of the regional leader 22:08 * herlo disagrees 22:08< lajjr> I consider myself both..contributor and an ambassador... 22:08< herlo> there is no way everyone can attend a conference that is an ambassador, nor willthey 22:08< herlo> lajjr: right, all of us should 22:09 * herlo points directly at Southern_Gentlem as a great example 22:09< inode0> ambassadors shouldn't be required to give presentations at events, encouraged, but not required I don't think 22:09< herlo> he's a great contributor 22:09< herlo> in #fedora 22:09< lajjr> I have event can I add it to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/EventTracking 22:09< ke4qqq> yes - you should be involved in something more than ambassadors IMHO 22:09< herlo> and while he comes to FUDCon and other events, he clearly prefers to be an ambassador in #fedora 22:09< rislam> we should make certain rules for that, but we should encourage them in all possible ways 22:09< herlo> which I think we all shoudl participate too 22:10< herlo> +1 rislam 22:10< ke4qqq> lajjr: please yes- what's important is what's after the fact. 22:10< herlo> lajjr: +1 22:10< ke4qqq> also add to /Events 22:10-!- tuanta [n=tuanta(a)222.254.7.135] has left #fedora-meeting [] 22:10< rislam> +1 ke4qqq 22:10< herlo> EventTracking is for after the event is over 22:10< herlo> Event is before/during 22:10< lajjr> ok. 22:11< herlo> rislam: do you think we have a good start on your topic? 22:11< rislam> yes herlo 22:11< inode0> art seems to me another possible area for an organized contest among university students 22:11< herlo> :) 22:11< herlo> inode0: agreed 22:11< rislam> +1 inode0 22:12< rislam> and it costs not too much 22:12 * inode0 will bounce the idea off mizmo 22:13< inode0> and a few engineers to see what they think 22:13< herlo> can we move to the next topic? 22:14 * herlo looks at his watch (aka known as the clock on gnome) 22:14< inode0> we better 22:14< herlo> pcalarco isn't here ?? 22:14< ke4qqq> he sent an update 22:14< rislam> so, you all want me to send a proposal for Fedora to all the universities in Canada 22:15< ke4qqq> rislam: send it to the list for more discussion I think 22:15< herlo> rislam: let's meet again next week or discuss in the ml 22:15< ke4qqq> get the benefit of the people (esp educators) there 22:15< herlo> start a draft 22:15< rislam> ok 22:15< ke4qqq> +1 herlo 22:15< rislam> +1 herlo 22:15 * herlo is building his karma 22:15< ke4qqq> lol 22:16< ke4qqq> anyone know santosh kumar? 22:16< ke4qqq> if so tell him to ping pascal 22:16< ke4qqq> otherwise lets leave the polo item 22:16< herlo> is this the idle discussion while we wait for rislam to move topics :) 22:16< herlo> oh 22:17< ke4qqq> yes 22:17< rislam> thx ke4qqq to help me 22:17< ke4qqq> and skip over one 22:17< rislam> Topic 3) Update on Ambassador polos, round II 22:17< inode0> does anyone know the status? have they been shipped? 22:18< DemonJester> yes they were shipped 22:18< ke4qqq> they have shipped with the exception of Santosh Kumar 22:18< herlo> pcalarco sent an update, I remember seeing it in the email 22:18< inode0> ok, what is next? 22:19< rislam> topic 4) FADNA @ OLF 22:19 * herlo slaps ke4qqq around a little for failing 22:19< herlo> :-D with a killer whale named hugh 22:19 * inode0 was billed for buttons but still no sign of them 22:20< herlo> inode0: from purebuttons.com? 22:20< inode0> yes 22:20< herlo> they'll come 22:20< ke4qqq> shirts? 22:20< herlo> I'd like to point out that we now have a budget 22:21< herlo> I worked a little on the shirts today, but I am not a great designre 22:21< herlo> I can order them, but designing takes longer. I'm going to bug ianweller and tell him I need his help 22:21< ke4qqq> can a lurker such as ianweller help any? :) 22:21< herlo> lol 22:21< ianweller> whuuuut 22:21< rislam> :) 22:22< inode0> ianweller can splash Fedora on a t-shirt better than most 22:22< ke4qqq> tell him we'll give him one if she designs for us 22:22< ke4qqq> s/she/he 22:22< herlo> lol 22:22< inode0> can we have the splatter on the back? :) 22:22< herlo> freudian slip if I've every seen one 22:22< rislam> speak carefully because all the ambassadors read it on their email 22:22< rislam> :) 22:22< herlo> :) 22:23< herlo> ianweller can take it 22:23< ke4qqq> ok, add that task to him 22:23< herlo> we think he's great! 22:23< ke4qqq> FADpub- have the poeple on the ground suggested a location? 22:23< ianweller> whuuuut 22:23< herlo> I'll do a little more work tonight, and see if I can't get something decent designed. If not, I'll chase down ianweller 22:23< herlo> ke4qqq: I did suggest that we move it to Friday night 22:24< rislam> ke4qqq please add the task 22:24< ke4qqq> rislam: k 22:24 * ianweller takes out some curly braces from some wiki templates and throws them at herlo 22:24< rislam> thx 22:24< herlo> ianweller: rofl 22:25< rislam> +1 ianweller 22:25< ianweller> the wiki doesn't need them 22:25 * ianweller watches template contents spill out on my keyboard 22:25< ianweller> whoops 22:25< herlo> okay, so we've been awarded $500 budget 22:25< herlo> but we have to submit receipts and get reimbursed 22:26< rislam> thx spevack 22:26< herlo> we have $160 for the room (fail on ke4qqq for not reserving today) at the Holiday Inn Express in Grove City for Sunday 22:26< inode0> yes, thank you spevack 22:26< herlo> FADNA will pick up Breakfast (probably) on Sunday and possibly lunch 22:26 * ke4qqq will do that before I get breakfast tomorrow 22:26< herlo> we'll have t-shirts (likely) 22:26< herlo> so let me calculate that 22:26< ke4qqq> ianweller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks#Assigned_Tasks 22:26< herlo> $160 - room 22:27< herlo> ~$100 - food 22:27< herlo> (breakfast only) 22:27< herlo> ~$150 - shirts 22:27< herlo> that's $410 22:27< herlo> leaving a little for FADPub 22:27< herlo> possibly 22:27< herlo> thoughts? 22:27< ke4qqq> and no lunch 22:27< herlo> well, or lunch 22:28< inode0> prefers lunch to breakfast 22:28< herlo> how many people are coming? 22:28< ke4qqq> me too 22:28< DemonJester> agrees 22:28< herlo> 8 I think last count 22:28 * ke4qqq is coming 22:28 * inode0 doesn't generally eat breakfast 22:28 * herlo is fine with making people pay for breakfast then and buying lunch a bit early 22:28< inode0> breakfast at noon or 5pm is ok though :) 22:28< herlo> but lunch is usually more costly... 22:28< herlo> ~$150 22:29< herlo> either way, I think we'll still be fine 22:29< rislam> Try to keep some change in case of emergency 22:29< ke4qqq> anything else on budget? 22:29< herlo> can't think of anything 22:29< herlo> anyone else? 22:29< rislam> Can we move on? 22:29< ke4qqq> lets talk about who is doing what to get remote people involved 22:29< ke4qqq> one second please rislam 22:30< ke4qqq> herlo - can we use utoscs icecast server? 22:30-!- LetoTo [n=paul(a)76-10-173-74.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:30< herlo> ke4qqq: sure 22:30< ke4qqq> for audio 22:30< herlo> not an issue at all 22:30< ke4qqq> or perhaps we can do asterisk conference 22:30< ke4qqq> that's two way 22:30< herlo> I have everything needed to configure it 22:30< herlo> asterisk is doable too, we need to talk with jsmith 22:30< DemonJester> you have video inputs on the icecast server? 22:30< herlo> nope 22:30< ke4qqq> who wants to talk to jsmith? 22:30< herlo> but it can do that 22:30< herlo> ke4qqq: I can 22:31< ke4qqq> ok 22:31< herlo> DemonJester: icecast would just stream an ogg file, so if its video it will work 22:31 * herlo asks for a task on that 22:31< DemonJester> I am talking about a capture card for live streaming 22:31 * ke4qqq working on it 22:31< herlo> DemonJester: nope don't have one in my lappy 22:32< herlo> I'll be flying and won't be bringing any pc's with me 22:32< ke4qqq> whatabout a webcam 22:33< ke4qqq> ? 22:33< herlo> I have on eof those 22:33< ke4qqq> can we use that? 22:33< ke4qqq> to then encode and stream? 22:33< herlo> nope 22:33< ke4qqq> ohhhwell 22:34< herlo> not unless you know how to make istanbul record audio better with gstreamer 22:34< ke4qqq> audio will have to do then 22:34< herlo> its just too much of a challenge in a short amount of time 22:34< ke4qqq> I agree 22:34< ke4qqq> there's already plenty to do 22:34< ke4qqq> anything else? 22:34< herlo> audio is generally good enough though I know most people would like to see stuff 22:35< ke4qqq> yep 22:35< DemonJester> could we use a meeting room on Fedora Talk? 22:36< herlo> maybe 22:36 * herlo has never tested that 22:36< herlo> that's why jsmith will be involved 22:36< herlo> he'll help me get it set up if its doable 22:36< ke4qqq> see if we can get a sip phone with speaker to carry if possible 22:36< ke4qqq> even if we only borrow it 22:36< herlo> sure 22:36< herlo> I'll ask 22:37< herlo> is that it ?? 22:37< herlo> rislam: what say ye? 22:37< rislam> topic 5) Any other business 22:38 * inode0 points new business to next week 22:38< herlo> +1 22:38< rislam> please add it on next week's agenda 22:39-!- Evil_Sonar_Chick [n=Andrea@fedora/SonarGal] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:39< rislam> Can we adjourn the meeting 22:39< herlo> count it down 22:40< rislam> eof -- Regards, BrianPowell http://fedoraproject.org

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[Ambassadors][STOP THIS THREAD] [Was: Educational spin ; The lack of quality video drivers is destroying Fedora.]
by Kushal Das 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

2008/10/1 Avi Alkalay <avibrazil(a)gmail.com>: > I wrote a tutorial (a basic copy-paste of some yum commands) on how to > quickly install all codecs etc in a Fedora box. > > http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/06/fedora-post-installation-configurations.html > > You can play DVDs and DivX and H.264 and MP4 a few minutes after installing > Fedora with this tutorial. Go and read the rules, you are *NOT* supposed to discuss these things on this mailing list. Stop replying to this thread. Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in

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