6:01 p.m.
Maybe this mail has gone unnoticed, to the most of You.
I think that if one of the Ambassadors leaves the project
with this words:
"While I realize how little it can import to most of those who read, I
reiterate that I let Fedora as a gesture of utter disapproval of the
project management."
we got a problem.
Sharing the project is a free choice of each one, and Alexjan can leave
in every moment, but his doubt about the project managment makes
me think about.
Who is the "project management"? Maybe the Fedora organization is
complicated to understand?
In effect this words may mean that suggest changes is not so easy:
"For a while, I tried to make my contribution to change this, but this
was not possible."
Well this is a lone voice, but I'd like think that it will be the only and we
can't accept that this is reason for leaving the project.
Ciao Alexjan.
Mailga
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Gabriele Trombini
(mailga)
Ambassador Fedora
FedoraOnLine staff member
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7:33 p.m.
New subject: Italian Ambassador leaves Fedora (ex Goodbye Fedora (from Italy))
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Gabriele Trombini (mailga)
<mailga(a)fedoraonline.it> wrote:
Maybe this mail has gone unnoticed, to the most of You.
It didn't go unnoticed by me but ...
I think that if one of the Ambassadors leaves the project
with this words:
"While I realize how little it can import to most of those who read, I
reiterate that I let Fedora as a gesture of utter disapproval of the
project management."
we got a problem.
I don't know what this means. What "project management" are we talking
about?
Sharing the project is a free choice of each one, and Alexjan can
leave
in every moment, but his doubt about the project managment makes
me think about.
Who is the "project management"? Maybe the Fedora organization is
complicated to understand?
In effect this words may mean that suggest changes is not so easy:
"For a while, I tried to make my contribution to change this, but this
was not possible."
Well this is a lone voice, but I'd like think that it will be the only and we
can't accept that this is reason for leaving the project.
Ciao Alexjan.
Yes, it is very sad to see someone leave unhappy. In order to try to
make things better I think we do need more information.
Best wishes to Alexjan.
John
9:54 p.m.
New subject: Italian Ambassador leaves Fedora (ex Goodbye Fedora (from Italy))
I'm new in this project, and I think that can't be a reason too.
(Sorry for my english)
2012/5/2 inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com>:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Gabriele Trombini (mailga)
<mailga(a)fedoraonline.it> wrote:
> Maybe this mail has gone unnoticed, to the most of You.
It didn't go unnoticed by me but ...
> I think that if one of the Ambassadors leaves the project
> with this words:
>
> "While I realize how little it can import to most of those who read, I
> reiterate that I let Fedora as a gesture of utter disapproval of the
> project management."
>
> we got a problem.
I don't know what this means. What "project management" are we talking
about?
> Sharing the project is a free choice of each one, and Alexjan can leave
> in every moment, but his doubt about the project managment makes
> me think about.
>
> Who is the "project management"? Maybe the Fedora organization is
> complicated to understand?
>
> In effect this words may mean that suggest changes is not so easy:
>
> "For a while, I tried to make my contribution to change this, but this
> was not possible."
>
> Well this is a lone voice, but I'd like think that it will be the only and we
> can't accept that this is reason for leaving the project.
>
> Ciao Alexjan.
Yes, it is very sad to see someone leave unhappy. In order to try to
make things better I think we do need more information.
Best wishes to Alexjan.
John
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2:48 a.m.
New subject: Italian Ambassador leaves Fedora (ex Goodbye Fedora (from Italy))
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Gabriele Trombini (mailga)
<mailga(a)fedoraonline.it> wrote:
Maybe this mail has gone unnoticed, to the most of You.
I think that if one of the Ambassadors leaves the project
with this words:
"While I realize how little it can import to most of those who read, I
reiterate that I let Fedora as a gesture of utter disapproval of the
project management."
we got a problem.
I don't think so.
Since I have discovered the Open Source Way, I've always loved to see
how people works together in order to achieve a certain goal.
Since I've joined the Fedora community (thanks to the ambassador
mentoring process), I've been really happy to see how people could
move things as long as they are doing it.
The meritocracy is really nice, the more you do, the more you are able to do!
We don't know what exactly Alexjan have tried to do, but I think the
ambassador team is the more complex one, as we have to deal with
people, community, organizations…
And this team has a wide variety of topics, it is hard to follow what
everyone is doing.
So you need to poll/ping frequently, to attend meeting, to shoot your voice…
Being actively involved in at least 4 FAS groups, the amba is the one
with the worse ratio between time spent and final result. But we are
not all developers, so this is not true for everybody.
I can see that Alexjan has "joined" the websites team, but I have
never seen any query from him.
[snip]
Well this is a lone voice, but I'd like think that it will be the only and we
can't accept that this is reason for leaving the project.
Guys from the Italian community should know him better than us.
Working as a team in our countries is really important.
That's why we are doing release parties.
We share projects, experience, feeling, and build new connections.
We are not only fingers behind a screen, we all are unique people with
different wishes, but we all share common values useful to build our
lovable distro!
Ciao Alexjan.
See ya Alexjan!
Mailga
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5:38 a.m.
New subject: Italian Ambassador leaves Fedora (ex Goodbye Fedora (from Italy))
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Gabriele Trombini (mailga)
<mailga(a)fedoraonline.it> wrote:
Maybe this mail has gone unnoticed, to the most of You.
It was not, but unfortunately the mail has little content other than
"I'm leaving"
I think that if one of the Ambassadors leaves the project
with this words:
"While I realize how little it can import to most of those who read, I
reiterate that I let Fedora as a gesture of utter disapproval of the
project management."
we got a problem.
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion (strong or not) but those
words without any further explanation are just not actionable. Who is
the "project management"? What did this abstract entity do to generate
such disapproval? Without this minimum piece of info we can't just
guess and try to fix something random in the Fedora organization.
"For a while, I tried to make my contribution to change this, but this
was not possible."
Sadly, this reminds me a distant past when I had an argument with
Alexjan about a bug hit by his netbook which he never bother reporting
in Bugzilla; I don't know who Alex talked to about, if he detailed the
specific changes he did not like and what kind of proposal he had to
solve the problem.
Again, I think we just need to wait for more info to understand what
went wrong, then act if needed.
In short, if there is something you think needs fixing, speak up
before boiling over! :)
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