3:56 a.m.
Hello everyone,
Its to give attention for fedora media program which i observed in previous
days and wanna your views also.
Some day before a guy Mohd Arshad on 10 July mailed for requesting some
media. Someone says that try next month and also to block the email id as
well. However i was surprised when another email from chennai came after
seven days its 17th July and the media delivered to S.Madan, a college
student from Chennai(Tamil Nadu).
So whats the point to deliver the media(is't request specific? ). However,
wherever you ship the media in india has same cost. I dont know why but this
should be clearout.
-regards,
Ravi
4:17 a.m.
On 27/07/10 09:56, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
Hello everyone,
Its to give attention for fedora media program which i observed in
previous days and wanna your views also.
Are you talking about the freemedia program?
Some day before a guy Mohd Arshad on 10 July mailed for requesting
some
media. Someone says that try next month and also to block the email id
as well. However i was surprised when another email from chennai came
after seven days its 17th July and the media delivered to S.Madan, a
college student from Chennai(Tamil Nadu).
If yes to above, have you a ticket number?
So whats the point to deliver the media(is't request specific? ).
However, wherever you ship the media in india has same cost. I dont know
why but this should be clearout.
"wherever you ship the media in india has same cost"
This is good information to have.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
7:55 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/07/10 09:56, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Its to give attention for fedora media program which i observed in
> previous days and wanna your views also.
Are you talking about the freemedia program?
Not about program but you can say delivering fedora which require or hoping
for that, with or without
> Some day before a guy Mohd Arshad on 10 July mailed for requesting some
> media. Someone says that try next month and also to block the email id
> as well. However i was surprised when another email from chennai came
> after seven days its 17th July and the media delivered to S.Madan, a
> college student from Chennai(Tamil Nadu).
If yes to above, have you a ticket number?
i am copying mail to below
>
> So whats the point to deliver the media(is't request specific? ).
> However, wherever you ship the media in india has same cost. I dont know
> why but this should be clearout.
>
"wherever you ship the media in india has same cost"
This is good information to have.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
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Part of mail which is in response of Arshad
=========================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ravi Sharma <ravidattasharma(a)gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: requesting for fedora free dvd
To: dilip khanolkar <dilipkhanolkar(a)fedoraproject.org>
Cc: Mohd Arshad <arshad230291(a)gmail.com>, vaishrajan(a)fedoraproject.org,
susmit(a)fedoraproject.org, sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org,
siddhart(a)fedoraproject.org, sherry151(a)fedoraproject.org,
shakthimaan(a)fedoraproject.org, sbjoshi(a)fedoraproject.org,
sankarshan(a)fedoraproject.org, sagarun(a)fedoraproject.org,
rohit01(a)fedoraproject.org, rdsharma4u(a)fedoraproject.org,
abhradipm(a)fedoraproject.org, adimania(a)fedoraproject.org,
acedip(a)fedoraproject.org, akashmkj(a)fedoraproject.org,
amachu(a)fedoraproject.org, amani(a)fedoraproject.org, amoupgu(a)fedoraproject.org,
ankit1999(a)fedoraproject.org, ankur(a)fedoraproject.org,
ankursinha(a)fedoraproject.org, anujmore(a)fedoraproject.org,
balajig8(a)fedoraproject.org, bonapart(a)fedoraproject.org,
buggz(a)fedoraproject.org, hakmn(a)fedoraproject.org,
hiemanshu(a)fedoraproject.org, empoweringlinux(a)fedoraproject.org,
ganesai(a)fedoraproject.org, dushyanth(a)fedoraproject.org,
coolbung(a)fedoraproject.org, chakrabortydipanjan(a)fedoraproject.org
Dear all,
well its great said previously by susmit. So there is no point to mail again
and again, the guy is not a criminal and he did'nt do any mistake to mail
us. Susmit has informed in his mail how to get it further.
So chill guys!!
- Hide quoted text -
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM, dilip khanolkar <
dilipkhanolkar(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Your query has been perfectly answered by susmit. Requesting you not
to take any trouble to mail anyone again. OR WE would be forced to
block you for spamming the email boxes.
Regards,
Dilip Khanolkar,
+919769107738.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Susmit <susmit(a)fedoraproject.org>
Date: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: requesting for fedora free dvd
To: Mohd Arshad <arshad230291(a)gmail.com>
Cc: vaishrajan(a)fedoraproject.org, sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org,
siddhart(a)fedoraproject.org, sherry151(a)fedoraproject.org,
shakthimaan(a)fedoraproject.org, sbjoshi(a)fedoraproject.org,
sankarshan(a)fedoraproject.org, sagarun(a)fedoraproject.org,
rohit01(a)fedoraproject.org, rdsharma4u(a)fedoraproject.org,
abhradipm(a)fedoraproject.org, adimania(a)fedoraproject.org,
acedip(a)fedoraproject.org, akashmkj(a)fedoraproject.org,
amachu(a)fedoraproject.org, amani(a)fedoraproject.org, amoupgu(a)fedoraproject.org,
ankit1999(a)fedoraproject.org, ankur(a)fedoraproject.org,
ankursinha(a)fedoraproject.org, anujmore(a)fedoraproject.org,
balajig8(a)fedoraproject.org, bonapart(a)fedoraproject.org,
buggz(a)fedoraproject.org, hakmn(a)fedoraproject.org,
hiemanshu(a)fedoraproject.org, empoweringlinux(a)fedoraproject.org,
ganesai(a)fedoraproject.org, dilipkhanolkar(a)fedoraproject.org,
dushyanth(a)fedoraproject.org, coolbung(a)fedoraproject.org,
chakrabortydipanjan(a)fedoraproject.org
Sorry. We can not provide you with free dvd. Please try freemedia next
month. Or buy it from one of the many vendors who sell it for around
20-30 INR.
And PLEASE DON'T mail everyone asking for free DVD. I think I replied
yesterday itself. Don't spam all the people with your repeated
requests.
Thanks.
Thanks.
- Hide quoted text -
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Mohd Arshad <arshad230291(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
SIR
I want free fedora 10,11,12,13 dvds.I can't download it from internet
because of slower internet connection.Plz help me.
Name: Mohd Arshad
Address: C-351/71 Dariyapur, Rajajaipuram, lucknow
Uttar Pradesh ,India
Pin: 226017
Mob No:09412844712
--
Regards,
Susmit.
==========================================================================================================
Part of mail which is response in madan s
==========================================================================================================
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 16:08 +0530, A. Mani wrote:
Can somebody in Chennai handle this?
______________________________________________________
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: madan s <madan_s87(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Subject: I need Fedora 13 CD
To: amani(a)fedoraproject.org
Hi,
I am S.Madan, a college student from Chennai(Tamil Nadu). I am really
inspired by seeing how fedora works on my college PCs and i want to
use it in my home. As I dont have internet connection in my home, I
cant download the latest fedora 13. I learn t that fedora is offering
CD free of cost through FreeMedia Program. I would be happy if I get
one.
My residential address is as follows:
F-5, V.G.N Prateesh apts,
Plot No 79, 80, First main road,
V.G.N Nagar, Ayyappanthangal,
Chennai -600056.
Please help me out.
Thanks & Regards
I'm not in Chennai but, I'll ship him a media on Monday. Post office
already closed for today.
Ankur
- Show quoted text -
9:40 a.m.
On 27/07/10 13:55, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
<snip>
Looking at the original mail Susmit is correct,
If someone emails you asking for media,
direct them to freemedia program:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia
If also people from India who like to answer these media type of email.
Let them join the Freemedia Program and contribute that way.
Other wise what may happen is somehow a multiple of media may be sent to
one person\address.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
Ireland
UTF_8 Encoded
10:12 a.m.
Thanks frank,
i agree with you.
we should direct to free media program.i am going to send link to the guy so
he can have media.
regards,
Ravi
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Frank Murphy
<frankly3d(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
On 27/07/10 13:55, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
<snip>
Looking at the original mail Susmit is correct,
If someone emails you asking for media,
direct them to freemedia program:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia
If also people from India who like to answer these media type of email.
Let them join the Freemedia Program and contribute that way.
Other wise what may happen is somehow a multiple of media may be sent to
one person\address.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
Ireland
UTF_8 Encoded
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9:43 p.m.
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 27/07/10 13:55, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
<snip>
Looking at the original mail Susmit is correct,
If someone emails you asking for media,
direct them to freemedia program:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia
If also people from India who like to answer these media type of email.
Let them join the Freemedia Program and contribute that way.
Other wise what may happen is somehow a multiple of media may be sent to
one person\address.
Please take note of Madan's request.
Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur) no
issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
with Regards,
ASHWIN
9:53 p.m.
On 07/28/2010 08:13 AM, Ashwin wrote:
Please take note of Madan's request.
Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur) no
issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
Ankur apparently likes the name Madan :-)
Rahul
10:56 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 08:23 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/28/2010 08:13 AM, Ashwin wrote:
> Please take note of Madan's request.
>
> Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur) no
> issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
>
> Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
>
> Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
Ankur apparently likes the name Madan :-)
So, *there is* a bias - huh ! :)
Hope there is no more bias but only rules in future.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
10:58 p.m.
On 07/28/2010 09:26 AM, Ashwin wrote:
So, *there is* a bias - huh ! :)
Hope there is no more bias but only rules in future.
As long as humans are involved, we will always have bias. We don't many
rules. More of guidelines to ensure a smooth operation. As long as
people can send and get media, don't see a problem.
Rahul
11:47 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 09:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/28/2010 09:26 AM, Ashwin wrote:
> So, *there is* a bias - huh ! :)
>
> Hope there is no more bias but only rules in future.
As long as humans are involved, we will always have bias. We don't many
rules. More of guidelines to ensure a smooth operation. As long as
people can send and get media, don't see a problem.
Bias exists is a fact. *But to project it as a norm is the mistake*.
Otherwise there is no sense in having even a single self regulating
guideline.
Guidelines, rules and laws are there in any society or community to
eliminate selective human discretion (good or bad) or in other words
bias. Whenever, such a bias shows up it should be high lighted as a
mistake, with a note to prevent it in future.
Now when Madan gets the media, there is no problem. Quite right.
But when Arshad *does not* get the media and that is also *not a
problem* is what is "worrisome* and *wrong* here and needs to be
corrected. Right.....?
Because as you say - "As long as people can send and get media, don't
see a problem." So let us eliminate this specific problem too - What do
you say ?
Arshad has indicated that he needs *free* media. He has a slow internet
issues and has asked for *help*, please note the word is *help* with a
*please*. At least, we can suggest to him to make copies from some one
(with the right bearings) @ Lucknow at his own (small) cost, and
identify a source / place in Lucknow who / which can *help* him with
copying, rather than rebuking him for making a requesting.
In the specific post - Instead of merely mentioning *many vendors* - at
least a mention of one vendor's name by checking up with ambassadors /
mentors etc. is the approach expected. Some how such bullying /
mistreatment goes one without check here on this list is also worrisome
and a point of concern.
Think of this, Arshad has a problem with Internet, needs media, and is
shown the rule book and rebuked for making repeated requests. This is
the right mix to send him into the trap of non-FOSS OS.
So this is the *other bias* (lack of sensitivity), I want to high light
here.
So now, can / will some one in Delhi / Agra / Kanpur / Lucknow help
Arshad's with the Fedora media ?
with Regards
ASHWIN
11:51 p.m.
On 07/28/2010 10:17 AM, Ashwin wrote:
Think of this, Arshad has a problem with Internet, needs media, and is
shown the rule book and rebuked for making repeated requests. This is
the right mix to send him into the trap of non-FOSS OS.
So this is the *other bias* (lack of sensitivity), I want to high light
here.
So now, can / will some one in Delhi / Agra / Kanpur / Lucknow help
Arshad's with the Fedora media ?
Are you volunteering to help? If you are concerned, send him a copy or
arrange for him to get a copy. Otherwise, merely highlighting a
problem won't make it go away.
Rahul
1:30 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 10:21 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/28/2010 10:17 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>
> Think of this, Arshad has a problem with Internet, needs media, and is
> shown the rule book and rebuked for making repeated requests. This is
> the right mix to send him into the trap of non-FOSS OS.
>
> So this is the *other bias* (lack of sensitivity), I want to high light
> here.
>
> So now, can / will some one in Delhi / Agra / Kanpur / Lucknow help
> Arshad's with the Fedora media ?
Are you volunteering to help? If you are concerned, send him a copy or
arrange for him to get a copy. Otherwise, merely highlighting a
problem won't make it go away.
The first problem is your glorification of *bias*. Accept it, and
eliminate in future.
The second problem is rebuking those who ask for media.
Those whom I help, are aware. I need not advertise my helpful nature on
this list or anywhere publicly, just because you are trying to instigate
me in doing it. It is time you need to realize the follies of not
sticking to guidelines which has happened and now and was highlighted by
Ravi and not me. I just want to ensure the facts are read correctly as
they stand, and not as they are being blurred by a select few.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
2:28 p.m.
On 07/29/2010 12:00 AM, Ashwin wrote:
The first problem is your glorification of *bias*. Accept it, and
eliminate in future.
Nope. No glorification. I merely pointed out bias at a personal level
is inevitable. It cannot be eliminated and won't be. No demands for
that can be entertained.
The second problem is rebuking those who ask for media.
Never saw me do this either.
Those whom I help, are aware. I need not advertise my helpful nature
on
this list or anywhere publicly, just because you are trying to instigate
me in doing it.
If you are so interested in seeing him get the media, then step up to do
it. Participate in free media effort. Why engage in back seat driving
and opinionating on what others do instead of showing the right path?
Rahul
10:23 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:58 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/29/2010 12:00 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>
If you are so interested in seeing him get the media, then step up to do
it. Participate in free media effort. Why engage in back seat driving
and opinionating on what others do instead of showing the right path?
Opinions exist when something wrong is done. This time it was wrong.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
10:34 p.m.
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Ashwin wrote:
On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:58 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/29/2010 12:00 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>>
>
> If you are so interested in seeing him get the media, then step up to do
> it. Participate in free media effort. Why engage in back seat driving
> and opinionating on what others do instead of showing the right path?
>
Opinions exist when something wrong is done. This time it was wrong
That itself is merely a random opinon. It has no inherent value beyond
anyone else. Step up and participate if you actually want a change. I
don't see why you don't. Obviously you are very concerned about someone
getting free media. There are hundreds of such request every month via the
free media program. Here is a chance to put your money where you mouth
is.
Rahul
11:32 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 09:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Ashwin wrote:
On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:58 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/29/2010 12:00 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>>
>
> If you are so interested in seeing him get the media, then step
up to do
> it. Participate in free media effort. Why engage in back seat
driving
> and opinionating on what others do instead of showing the right path?
>
Opinions exist when something wrong is done. This time it was wrong
That itself is merely a random opinon. It has no inherent value beyond
anyone else. Step up and participate if you actually want a change. I
don't see why you don't. Obviously you are very concerned about someone
getting free media. There are hundreds of such request every month via
the free media program. Here is a chance to put your money where you
mouth is.
Abusing me, does not solve the problem identified by Ravi and
acknowledged by Frank.
Carry on with your accusations - it simply highlights your sensitivity
(lack of) to issues.
The concern is not about some one getting free media. The concern is
about the *high handed* replies to Arshad, which should not be repeated
with any one in future.
I create and get my own chances and use my opportunities (however small)
at my own discretion. Unfortunately, your lack of sincerity /
sensitivity (based on my assessment) towards the Fedora as a cause does
not give you a privilege to influence me on where I should use my money.
Bad Luck, try again another time.... ;)
with Regards,
ASHWIN
11:37 p.m.
The concern is not about some one getting free media. The concern is
about the *high handed* replies to Arshad, which should not be repeated
with any one in future.
Please suggest and frame a suitable reply for such cases and put it in
some wiki page.
That would be much appreciated,
Thanks in advance for your help.
--
Regards,
Susmit.
=============================================
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit
=============================================
11:44 p.m.
susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The concern is not about some one getting free media. The concern
is
> about the *high handed* replies to Arshad, which should not be repeated
> with any one in future.
Please suggest and frame a suitable reply for such cases and put it in
some wiki page.
That would be much appreciated,
Thanks in advance for your help.
Thank you Susmit.
Those who care to see improvement in the Freemedia program and
efforts, please take time to think what can be done to make it useful.
And, make necessary efforts to see such changes included.
As regards this thread, it needs to be closed. Thank you for your co-operation.
--
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog>
11:46 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 10:07 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
> The concern is not about some one getting free media. The concern
is
> about the *high handed* replies to Arshad, which should not be repeated
> with any one in future.
Please suggest and frame a suitable reply for such cases and put it in
some wiki page.
That would be much appreciated,
Thanks in advance for your help.
I am happy. This is constructive.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
7:44 p.m.
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Please suggest and frame a suitable reply for such cases and put it
in
some wiki page.
That would be much appreciated,
Thanks in advance for your help.
Dear Sir/Madam,
We deeply appreciate your mailing our
fifteen ambassadors and fourteen freemedia persons for a Fedora DVD.
Our fifteen ambassadors, fourteen freemedia persons, thirty other
Fedora persons and a few trolls are deeply contemplating across our
many mailing lists on finding the chosen one; the chosen one for this
noble mission. As soon as a decision is reached, if at all, we will
uncover the name of the chosen one to you.
Meanwhile, you may find the freemedia form or the
freemedia contact nearest to your location of some interest to you.
Such a sensible interest may not have all the ceremonies associated.
But of course you may get the freemedia sooner.
Best
<>
______________________________________________________________
Best
A. Mani
--
A. Mani
ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS
http://www.logicamani.co.cc
8:48 p.m.
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 06:14 +0530, A. Mani wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Please suggest and frame a suitable reply for such cases and put it in
> some wiki page.
>
> That would be much appreciated,
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
Dear Sir/Madam,
We deeply appreciate your mailing our
fifteen ambassadors and fourteen freemedia persons for a Fedora DVD.
Our fifteen ambassadors, fourteen freemedia persons, thirty other
Fedora persons and a few trolls are deeply contemplating across our
many mailing lists on finding the chosen one; the chosen one for this
noble mission. As soon as a decision is reached, if at all, we will
uncover the name of the chosen one to you.
Meanwhile, you may find the freemedia form or the
freemedia contact nearest to your location of some interest to you.
Such a sensible interest may not have all the ceremonies associated.
But of course you may get the freemedia sooner.
Best
<>
______________________________________________________________
Best
A. Mani
+
"This is a system generated email. Please do not reply to it. To contact
your nearest Ambassador,please refer to :
https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/ambassadors.html
"
8:53 p.m.
> Dear Sir/Madam,
> We deeply appreciate your mailing our
> fifteen ambassadors and fourteen freemedia persons for a Fedora DVD.
> Our fifteen ambassadors, fourteen freemedia persons, thirty other
> Fedora persons and a few trolls are deeply contemplating across our
> many mailing lists on finding the chosen one; the chosen one for this
> noble mission. As soon as a decision is reached, if at all, we will
> uncover the name of the chosen one to you.
> Meanwhile, you may find the freemedia form or the
> freemedia contact nearest to your location of some interest to you.
> Such a sensible interest may not have all the ceremonies associated.
> But of course you may get the freemedia sooner.
"This is a system generated email. Please do not reply to it. To contact
your nearest Ambassador,please refer to :
https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/ambassadors.html
We have drafted a simpler reply.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia_private_request_reply
Thanks.
--
Regards,
Susmit.
=============================================
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit
=============================================
9:44 p.m.
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 07:23 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
We have drafted a simpler reply.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia_private_request_reply
Thanks.
Hi Susmit (and everyone else),
Thing's I've noticed:
The "All download methods"[1] link on the get fedora page[2] leads to
the get fedora all page[1] which contains the link to the free media
form etc. That isn't logical. Someone who has "Slow Internet? No
Internet?" will not click on "All download methods" in the first place.
Maybe we should have a completely different page for "Request Fedora"
where we can detail *all* "dos and do nots" regarding requesting media
from an Ambassador. The main get fedora page can then hold a link that
goes "Request Fedora media"
If it sounds good, I can spend some time making up a draft for people to
review. I'm pretty sure this needs to be discussed on another list too.
Thanks,
regards,
Ankur
[1]
[2]
9:51 p.m.
If it sounds good, I can spend some time making up a draft for people
to
review.
Sure.
Thanks.
--
Regards,
Susmit.
=============================================
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit
=============================================
11:47 p.m.
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 08:21 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
Sure.
Thanks.
hi!
First draft[1].
Comments are more than welcome.
regards,
Ankur
[1]
1:37 a.m.
On 28/07/10 03:43, Ashwin wrote:
--snip--
Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur) no
issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
Is Ankur on Freemedia?
(In case of multiple Ankurs')
If not, why not? Only he can answer.
Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
No, but if you check my first reply to Ravi,
I was asking was his original post in regards to Freemedia
Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
Not from me, records speak for themselves.
My only concern if the lack of activity from Indians to help their own
(on the surface) 40+ Indian Volunteers. About 6 actually send media.
Yet I close up to 200 requests for media per month unanswered.
Have you joined the freemedia program?
Can this list help us fill the requests from India?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Freemedia/Join_freemedia
It breaks my heart to close so many.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
3:31 a.m.
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 07:37 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 28/07/10 03:43, Ashwin wrote:
--snip--
>
> Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur) no
> issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
Is Ankur on Freemedia?
(In case of multiple Ankurs')
If not, why not? Only he can answer.
>
> Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
No, but if you check my first reply to Ravi,
I was asking was his original post in regards to Freemedia
>
> Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
>
Not from me, records speak for themselves.
My only concern if the lack of activity from Indians to help their own
(on the surface) 40+ Indian Volunteers. About 6 actually send media.
Yet I close up to 200 requests for media per month unanswered.
Have you joined the freemedia program?
Can this list help us fill the requests from India?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Freemedia/Join_freemedia
It breaks my heart to close so many.
hi,
I'm sorry I've been away. I'm preparing for an exam and therefore trying
so stay as far as my system as possible.
Yes. I'm already member of the free media team.
When I serviced Madan's request, there was no bias involved. It came to
the list, I really didn't think anyone was going to do anything about
it, so I went ahead and took the initiative. I was in Bangalore at the
time and had just received my copies of fedora media (that rangeen and
the rest of us got burnt together). It was convenient for me to service
requests there. I generally accept media requests that are near my
location and first request them to collect media from me personally if
possible to save me the postage cost. (or use the local contacts scheme
and send me blank media if possible). Even though sending media all over
India costs about the same (generally 25INR by speed post), it doesn't
make sense if someone in Bangalore is servicing tickest from Bihar, and
someone in Bihar is mailing media to Chennai.
At the moment I'm holidaying at home, and am not servicing requests.
I'm a student, so servicing a lot of requests isn't possible for me. I
do what I can manage. I do *not* service tickets that fail to respond to
queries, since it gives me the feeling that the reporter isn't
interested, and I should ship to someone else instead. I wait for an
appropriate time (3 weeks or about) for a response, after which the
tickets are closed.
I'd request more folks to sign up for the free media program as Frank
already did. It isn't true that students can't participate. ( Send 4
media a month, it's better than 0, and it costs INR 200. )
regards,
Ankur
1:38 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 12:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 28/07/10 03:43, Ashwin wrote:
--snip--
> Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
>
Not from me, records speak for themselves.
My only concern if the lack of activity from Indians to help their own
(on the surface) 40+ Indian Volunteers. About 6 actually send media.
Yet I close up to 200 requests for media per month unanswered.
Have you joined the freemedia program?
It is nice to know about your unbiased approach, which is also evident
from the few emails sent by you on this thread.
I do download a copy of the OS which I use, and provide a copy to those
who approach me directly. At our local LUG we maintain a library which
people can avail to make their own copies. In a way, there is free /
copy for free approach I have maintained for many years, and would like
it to continue the same way.
The only reason for me to post on this thread was to highlight the
rebuke that Arshad got due to a specific insensitive approach by an
individual which went unchecked.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
5:45 p.m.
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 00:08 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
The only reason for me to post on this thread was to highlight the
rebuke that Arshad got due to a specific insensitive approach by an
individual which went unchecked.
I'm not even remotely trying to be excellent to folks on this email.
Please don't reply pointing that out. People evidently do not understand
the meaning of "being excellent to each other" and I do not intend to be
excellent to folks not excellent to me. After this, I will not
contribute another word to this discussion.
I'm going to put this in the nicest way possible:
bias -> To influence in a particular, typically unfair direction;
prejudice.
IF *all* requests from India could be fulfilled, and one of us, lets say
ME, chose to not fulfil a certain request, it would be bias against that
one ticket. Because the Fedora India community is composed of a lot of
what we refer to as "keyboard warriors" who sit around and talk, and
abase the work that others do, we're currently not able to fulfil all
media requests.
(Question for Frank to answer: following this discussion, how many new
free media contributors from India have you had sign up?).
This doesn't mean that we're biased towards tickets we accept and
against ones we don't. The only way to work without what you've newly
introduced as "bias" is to make sure either all tickets are fulfilled or
none (no middle ground depending on how many we actually can fulfil)?
Either we fulfil all tickets, therefore eliminating "bias", or fulfil
none, again eliminating "bias". Because every ticket that goes
unfulfilled has been biased against?
bias is when one thinks "hey.. I'll accept this ticket and not this
because A sounds good and B sounds crappy". Picking randomly isn't bias.
It's called being random. Tickets that get accepted are *lucky* and ones
that don't are *unlucky*. That's it. End of story. There is nothing to
discuss. If anyone's fault, it is the fault of the keyboard warrior, not
the one accepting a few tickets!
There was no issue with Arshad not receiving media. No contributor at
that time could do it (for whatever reason), so he was directed to the
free media programme. DO NOT ATTACH BIAS TO IT. EVERYONE IS NOT GOING TO
RECEIVE MEDIA ! (yes! I'm screaming my lungs out here!) If you didn't
take the initiative of accepting his request, like I did for Madan, you
got NO RIGHT to question what I did and discuss it: I'm a better man
than you are, like it or not.
Another question for Frank: You accept some tickets, and not others.
That way, you're also being biased. Maybe you're biased over tickets
that are filled in first !? This entire charade on "bias" is crap.
That is a tunnel vision.
Please walk through the tunnel there is brightness at the end and
outside the tunnel.
True open source is a *dedication* of many to remove barriers set up
by
biased views of a few.
ASHWIN : you got no clue what you're talking about. Stay off the list. I
don't care if you've been around Linux since it's birth, what you
generally say on the list is BS. We like our list crap free (politics
and philosophical issues and the rest) so we can actually get work
done.
What you're saying "If I give a beggar some money at a point of time,
and I don't give another beggar at another point, I'm biased. I
shouldn't have helped that one" Dude. Really???
I use Fedora and not $distro -> I'm biased and therefore this isn't
"true open source"?? "tunnel vision"?? What the hell kind of crap is
that?
There is a HUGE difference between choosing randomly and being biased.
Don't mix up the two.
I loathe, really really loathe this usage of the list. This is FYI one
of the more frequent causes of why a contributor switches communities.
It's called USELESS CRAP. It has the power to piss off one to the extent
that he/she doesn't want to contribute any more. From my mail, it should
be evident that ASHWIN is doing a great job at pushing me to the
threshold. Why I'll stick around is that my mentor(s) (surprise!
surprise! Rahul has been my mentor since he got me started off as a
contributor to Fedora TWO YEARS AGO) will tell me that this stuff isn't
worth getting upset about, and that the work we do is way more
important.
I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad has
faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
You weren't. Why? Because there is no "exact problem". Arshad didn't
face any. You're biased to only stand out for Arshad and not the 100 or
so tickets that do not receive media per month. You have to sign up the
fedora media list so you can discuss and question *individually* why
each of those 100 or so tickets went unfulfilled (while some got
fulfilled, BIAS). Only when you do this, are you free of bias and your
relationship with open source is "pure". As of now, standing up for one
and not all the unlucky folks who do not receive media is "tunnel
vision" and you do not deserve to be even an open source evangelist.
Let's start a thread discussing this more important moral issue. Who
gives a crap about actually contributing?
There, I've made an issue out of NOTHING, how does that feel? Your
biased behaviour is worse than what you call "bias" in my dealings.
Since there was no "exact problem", it has no potential to multiply
WHATSOEVER!
I can go on writing the entire night, I'm that nonplussed with this
issue.
As it is, we don't get as much work done as we'd like, again because of
keyboard warriors doing nothing but typing mails to the list. Do not
create issues that further lead to bottle necks. Please! I beg folks on
the list to refrain from this behaviour. This isn't contribution, if
anything, it sucks from our contribution and de-motivates us.
Do what you can, don't sit and yap and debate and discuss.
Ankur
11:21 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 04:15 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 00:08 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
> The only reason for me to post on this thread was to highlight the
> rebuke that Arshad got due to a specific insensitive approach by an
> individual which went unchecked.
>
>
I'm not even remotely trying to be excellent to folks on this email.
Please don't reply pointing that out. People evidently do not understand
the meaning of "being excellent to each other" and I do not intend to be
excellent to folks not excellent to me. After this, I will not
contribute another word to this discussion.
Fine. So you are an average guy as any one else.
I'm going to put this in the nicest way possible:
bias -> To influence in a particular, typically unfair direction;
prejudice.
IF *all* requests from India could be fulfilled, and one of us, lets say
ME, chose to not fulfil a certain request, it would be bias against that
one ticket. Because the Fedora India community is composed of a lot of
what we refer to as "keyboard warriors" who sit around and talk, and
abase the work that others do, we're currently not able to fulfil all
media requests.
There is no problem. The problem which Arshad faced is different, which
you cannot see or you do not want to see.
(Question for Frank to answer: following this discussion, how many new
free media contributors from India have you had sign up?).
This doesn't mean that we're biased towards tickets we accept and
against ones we don't. The only way to work without what you've newly
introduced as "bias" is to make sure either all tickets are fulfilled or
none (no middle ground depending on how many we actually can fulfil)?
Either we fulfil all tickets, therefore eliminating "bias", or fulfil
none, again eliminating "bias". Because every ticket that goes
unfulfilled has been biased against?
That is a guideline explicitly provided. Therefore, no bias here.
bias is when one thinks "hey.. I'll accept this ticket and not this
because A sounds good and B sounds crappy". Picking randomly isn't bias.
It's called being random. Tickets that get accepted are *lucky* and ones
that don't are *unlucky*. That's it. End of story. There is nothing to
discuss. If anyone's fault, it is the fault of the keyboard warrior, not
the one accepting a few tickets!
That is also fine.
There was no issue with Arshad not receiving media. No contributor at
that time could do it (for whatever reason), so he was directed to the
free media programme. DO NOT ATTACH BIAS TO IT. EVERYONE IS NOT GOING TO
RECEIVE MEDIA ! (yes! I'm screaming my lungs out here!) If you didn't
take the initiative of accepting his request, like I did for Madan, you
got NO RIGHT to question what I did and discuss it: I'm a better man
than you are, like it or not.
Now the problem -
1. Arshad was not directed to any freemedia program (it has been done
now, after all these emails and genuine, zero ego intervention by Frank)
2. Arshad was rebuked for asking for help (Please see the replies to
Arshad).
3. Arshad was asked to get it from vendors - with no information as to
where to search and find the vendors.
The third point highlights the problem, where was the sincerity is
helping Arshad find a vendor or a local source ?
Another question for Frank: You accept some tickets, and not others.
That way, you're also being biased. Maybe you're biased over tickets
that are filled in first !? This entire charade on "bias" is crap.
So are you refuting Rahul who says you had a bias for the name - Madan ?
> That is a tunnel vision.
>
> Please walk through the tunnel there is brightness at the end and
> outside the tunnel.
>
> True open source is a *dedication* of many to remove barriers set up
> by
> biased views of a few.
>
ASHWIN : you got no clue what you're talking about. Stay off the list. I
don't care if you've been around Linux since it's birth, what you
generally say on the list is BS. We like our list crap free (politics
and philosophical issues and the rest) so we can actually get work
done.
This is offensive. Point - 1, If you cannot digest others views /
philosophy, fine, but then learn not to be abusive about it. Point - 2,
Politics is a game of those who are in control of something. Am I in
control of this list ? Ask yourself, whom should you blame for the
politics that is taking place here ?
What you're saying "If I give a beggar some money at a point of time,
and I don't give another beggar at another point, I'm biased. I
shouldn't have helped that one" Dude. Really???
You never replied to Arshad. That is not a problem at all. You want to
give / share, it is your choice, and if you do not, then also it is
fine. It is a choice (not a bias).
But those who *did* reply to Arshad, created a problem due to their bias.
I use Fedora and not $distro -> I'm biased and therefore this isn't
"true open source"?? "tunnel vision"?? What the hell kind of crap is
that?
I am sure, you have your own reasons (unexplained / explained) for
making a choice. You may like to have your say / reasoning to explain
Fedora vs. Ubuntu / Emacs vs. Vi / GUI vs Cmdline etc. Reasons and bias
do not co-exist. Bias is something different. Maybe the crap is more
sensible now
There is a HUGE difference between choosing randomly and being biased.
Don't mix up the two.
Exactly, please do not mix up. I have no issues on Arshad not being
selected in the choice to be a beneficiary. But was the reply to him
appropriate ? Have you read the replies to Arshad ?
I loathe, really really loathe this usage of the list. This is FYI one
of the more frequent causes of why a contributor switches communities.
It's called USELESS CRAP. It has the power to piss off one to the extent
that he/she doesn't want to contribute any more. From my mail, it should
be evident that ASHWIN is doing a great job at pushing me to the
threshold. Why I'll stick around is that my mentor(s) (surprise!
surprise! Rahul has been my mentor since he got me started off as a
contributor to Fedora TWO YEARS AGO) will tell me that this stuff isn't
worth getting upset about, and that the work we do is way more
important.
The crap (as you say) is in turning people away. So may be now you may
understand how Arshad feels after been turned away rather than being
pointed (with some sincerity) where to find some local help even if he
was not selected to be a beneficiary of the free media program.
> I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad
has
> faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
You weren't. Why? Because there is no "exact problem". Arshad didn't
face any. You're biased to only stand out for Arshad and not the 100 or
so tickets that do not receive media per month. You have to sign up the
fedora media list so you can discuss and question *individually* why
each of those 100 or so tickets went unfulfilled (while some got
fulfilled, BIAS). Only when you do this, are you free of bias and your
relationship with open source is "pure". As of now, standing up for one
and not all the unlucky folks who do not receive media is "tunnel
vision" and you do not deserve to be even an open source evangelist.
Let's start a thread discussing this more important moral issue. Who
gives a crap about actually contributing?
There, I've made an issue out of NOTHING, how does that feel? Your
biased behaviour is worse than what you call "bias" in my dealings.
1. Read the posts, it was Rahul who said, you have a bias (not me) -
maybe you should use your fangs on Rahul rather than me.
2. Do you think - Ravi here thanked me for nothing ? Grow up. See the
real issues first.
Since there was no "exact problem", it has no potential to multiply
WHATSOEVER!
See the real issues - Ravi's post and Frank's replies do acknowledge the
problem in many ways. Why are you blind to that ? Is it your rage -
which blinds you ?
I can go on writing the entire night, I'm that nonplussed with this
issue.
As it is, we don't get as much work done as we'd like, again because of
keyboard warriors doing nothing but typing mails to the list. Do not
create issues that further lead to bottle necks. Please! I beg folks on
the list to refrain from this behaviour. This isn't contribution, if
anything, it sucks from our contribution and de-motivates us.
Do what you can, don't sit and yap and debate and discuss.
Then why are you creating, contributing and drawing yourself into one ?
with Regards,
ASHWIN
11:28 p.m.
Hi,
Please stop this discussion as this is getting ugly.
Freemedia team has taken a call to frame a policy for such issue and
it will be announced in a couple of days.
Thanks.
--
Regards,
Susmit.
=============================================
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit
=============================================
11:45 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 09:58 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
Hi,
Please stop this discussion as this is getting ugly.
Freemedia team has taken a call to frame a policy for such issue and
it will be announced in a couple of days.
Thanks.
I am glad you replied. I have 2 queries for you.
1. Are you aware of any vendors in Lucknow for Fedora ?
2. Are you aware of a place / group in Lucknow where one can make a
copy of Fedora at his own cost ?
with Regards,
ASHWIN
11:53 p.m.
I am glad you replied. I have 2 queries for you.
1. Are you aware of any vendors in Lucknow for Fedora ?
No. But there are vendors who ships the DVD (to your address) at very
low cost (sub INR 50).
For example, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors
lists a few shops in India who ships at a _very_ reasonable price.
So whether it is a shop in Lucknow or a shop in Kochi, does not really matter.
2. Are you aware of a place / group in Lucknow where one can make a
copy of Fedora at his own cost ?
No.
--
Regards,
Susmit.
=============================================
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit
=============================================
12:31 a.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 10:23 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
> I am glad you replied. I have 2 queries for you.
>
> 1. Are you aware of any vendors in Lucknow for Fedora ?
No. But there are vendors who ships the DVD (to your address) at very
low cost (sub INR 50).
For example, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors
lists a few shops in India who ships at a _very_ reasonable price.
So whether it is a shop in Lucknow or a shop in Kochi, does not really matter.
> 2. Are you aware of a place / group in Lucknow where one can make a
> copy of Fedora at his own cost ?
No.
The positive to note here is - requests / posts like the one from Arshad
signals an increase in popularity of Fedora. A request for wanting all
the copies of Fedora since its birth, may sound childish, but I view it
as an achievement of Fedora programme and FOSS efforts by others. I love
to handle such queries with a child like glee myself. Let the child
survive inside oneself as long as it is possible. So direct them to me.
So now you have one more person in me to bank on to handle the
inevitable (even if irritating) i.e. the vast flow of request for
*media* as Fedora becomes more popular.
With Regards,
ASHWIN
midnight
Ashwin,
I'm sorry for being aggressive on the mailing list. I apologise. I am
not, however,in accord with your thinking or your posts.
Thanks,
Regard,
Ankur
2:42 a.m.
On 28/07/10 23:45, Ankur Sinha wrote:
<snip>
(Question for Frank to answer: following this discussion, how many new
free media contributors from India have you had sign up?).
0
<snip>
Another question for Frank: You accept some tickets, and not others.
That way, you're also being biased. Maybe you're biased over tickets
that are filled in first !? This entire charade on "bias" is crap.
I pick my 2 as per guidelines:
a) Is there any from my country
b) What media I have currently DVD vs CD
3) Where else can I help.
4) I am suspicious of Box Numbers (no proper address)
5) Have I some extra money this month to help others.
No bias, just a system that works for me.
<snip>
Do what you can, don't sit and yap and debate and discuss.
Ankur
We do appreciate all you do for us Ankur.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
12:38 p.m.
Hello Guys and folks,
We have seen enough and no need for clarification further. As we are not
looking what happened already but engaged to make crap on each other.
I appreciated frank and Ashwin's patience, forgive the childish act. Ankur
please have some patience, look at the issue than decide to reply. As i have
seen there was nothing on which you have to make sorry. unfortunately you
did.
So chill guys!!
regards,
Ravi
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 28/07/10 23:45, Ankur Sinha wrote:
<snip>
>
> (Question for Frank to answer: following this discussion, how many new
> free media contributors from India have you had sign up?).
0
<snip>
>
> Another question for Frank: You accept some tickets, and not others.
> That way, you're also being biased. Maybe you're biased over tickets
> that are filled in first !? This entire charade on "bias" is crap.
>
I pick my 2 as per guidelines:
a) Is there any from my country
b) What media I have currently DVD vs CD
3) Where else can I help.
4) I am suspicious of Box Numbers (no proper address)
5) Have I some extra money this month to help others.
No bias, just a system that works for me.
<snip>
>
> Do what you can, don't sit and yap and debate and discuss.
>
> Ankur
>
We do appreciate all you do for us Ankur.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
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3:54 a.m.
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 08:13 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
Please take note of Madan's request.
Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur)
no
issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
with Regards,
ASHWIN
hi,
Madan was not directed, because the email sounded urgent (I did not
grill him to see if it really was urgent or not), and the free media
program would need him to retry next month.
hmmm... I don't intend to sound rude here but, *Why is "bias" even
coming up here?* How is this constructive? Does it really matter?
Look, there are only some of us servicing media. If one's not, I
strongly feel that he/she really shouldn't be questioning us on what
criteria we use.
If it matters, I'm biased towards :
- folks in and around Karnataka (when I'm in Manipal),
- folks who mail me personally (I do not direct these to the free media
program if I can handle the request), it gives me a chance to personally
get in touch with people (I'm also an Ambassador)
- folks who respond to my further queries (thus showing that they really
are interested)
regards,
Ankur
4:46 a.m.
Hello all,
Being a fedora ambassador or free media program, you can't make bias to
anyone whatever was the reason, blah blah.
So my focus was to direct someone in such a way that he don't bother with
fedora. And whatever Mr. @Rahul if you want to do bias please i suggest not
to give your views here. As i know this is open source and accessible to
everyone and you are going out of bound.
@ASHWIN
Madan is also not directed to fedora media program. and i deeply appreciate
your reply to Rahul.
@Frank
i have directed to Arshad to get enrolled for a ticket not to send a copy
directly and also apologies for miss conduction.
regards,
Ravi
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 08:13 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
> Please take note of Madan's request.
>
> Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur)
> no
> issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
>
> Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
>
> Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
>
> with Regards,
> ASHWIN
hi,
Madan was not directed, because the email sounded urgent (I did not
grill him to see if it really was urgent or not), and the free media
program would need him to retry next month.
hmmm... I don't intend to sound rude here but, *Why is "bias" even
coming up here?* How is this constructive? Does it really matter?
Look, there are only some of us servicing media. If one's not, I
strongly feel that he/she really shouldn't be questioning us on what
criteria we use.
If it matters, I'm biased towards :
- folks in and around Karnataka (when I'm in Manipal),
- folks who mail me personally (I do not direct these to the free media
program if I can handle the request), it gives me a chance to personally
get in touch with people (I'm also an Ambassador)
- folks who respond to my further queries (thus showing that they really
are interested)
regards,
Ankur
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4:49 a.m.
On 07/28/2010 03:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
Hello all,
Being a fedora ambassador or free media program, you can't make bias
to anyone whatever was the reason, blah blah.
So my focus was to direct someone in such a way that he don't bother
with fedora. And whatever Mr. @Rahul if you want to do bias please i
suggest not to give your views here. As i know this is open source and
accessible to everyone and you are going out of bound.
It is accessible to everyone but I am not permitted to give my views?
That doesn't make any sense. My comments on bias have nothing to do
with open source. Just a human nature.
Rahul
5:15 a.m.
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma <rdsharma4u(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Being a fedora ambassador or free media program, you can't make
bias to
anyone whatever was the reason, blah blah.
So my focus was to direct someone in such a way that he don't bother with
fedora. And whatever Mr. @Rahul if you want to do bias please i suggest not
to give your views here. As i know this is open source and accessible to
everyone and you are going out of bound.
Being into Open Source means biased to Open Source.
Kushal
--
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in
1:59 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 03:45 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ravi D.
Sharma<rdsharma4u(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Being a fedora ambassador or free media program, you can't make bias to
> anyone whatever was the reason, blah blah.
> So my focus was to direct someone in such a way that he don't bother with
> fedora. And whatever Mr. @Rahul if you want to do bias please i suggest not
> to give your views here. As i know this is open source and accessible to
> everyone and you are going out of bound.
Being into Open Source means biased to Open Source.
That is a tunnel vision.
Please walk through the tunnel there is brightness at the end and
outside the tunnel.
True open source is a *dedication* of many to remove barriers set up by
biased views of a few.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
1:54 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 03:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
Hello all,
@ASHWIN
Madan is also not directed to fedora media program. and i deeply
appreciate your reply to Rahul.
I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad has
faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
2:41 p.m.
On 07/29/2010 12:24 AM, Ashwin wrote:
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 03:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
> @ASHWIN
> Madan is also not directed to fedora media program. and i deeply
> appreciate your reply to Rahul.
>
I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad has
faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
It almost sounds you want volunteers to accept responsibility for what
they do. How nice we have come full circle on this.
Rahul
10:30 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 01:11 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/29/2010 12:24 AM, Ashwin wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 July 2010 03:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>> @ASHWIN
>> Madan is also not directed to fedora media program. and i deeply
>> appreciate your reply to Rahul.
>>
> I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad has
> faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
It almost sounds you want volunteers to accept responsibility for what
they do. How nice we have come full circle on this.
Please do not twist my posting to suit your ideas.
Please do not put your words in my mouth.
This is the worst that you can do.
When some one communicates - there should be a sincerity in the
communication made, which does not exist either in yours right now, and
nor did it exist in the one sent to Arshad.
If you recall, you mentioned a bias for names...Correct ? Since, you are
being (or acting) so dumb, so let me ask it directly - Is there a
negative bias for the names which have a Mohd. somewhere ?
with Regards,
ASHWIN
10:41 p.m.
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Ashwin <ashwin.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If you recall, you mentioned a bias for names...Correct ? Since, you are
being (or acting) so dumb, so let me ask it directly - Is there a
negative bias for the names which have a Mohd. somewhere ?
No name calling in this list allowed and I have zero tolerance for it.
Since you obviously missed a smiley, no point in debating it. I hope you
start having a polte conversation and if you can't refrain from calling
people dumb and attacking people for having a different opinion from yours,
I highly recommend that you drop the conversation and move on. This will
be only note on this topic.
Rahul
11:38 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 09:11 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Ashwin <ashwin.lists(a)gmail.com
<mailto:ashwin.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you recall, you mentioned a bias for names...Correct ? Since, you are
being (or acting) so dumb, so let me ask it directly - Is there a
negative bias for the names which have a Mohd. somewhere ?
No name calling in this list allowed and I have zero tolerance for it.
Since you obviously missed a smiley, no point in debating it. I hope
you start having a polte conversation and if you can't refrain from
calling people dumb and attacking people for having a different opinion
from yours, I highly recommend that you drop the conversation and move
on. This will be only note on this topic.
Smile you must, but do not try to hide the issue with the smile.
Quote from your post - " Why engage in back seat driving
and opinionating on what others do instead of showing the right path? "
*This is equal to abusing me.*
Quote from Ankur's post (whom you mentor) - "ASHWIN : you got no clue
what you're talking about. Stay off the list. I don't care if you've
been around Linux since it's birth, what you generally say on the list
is BS. "
*This is equal to abusing me.*
Is this the case of a Pot calling the Kettle black.....?
Control yourself.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
11:49 p.m.
On 07/29/2010 10:08 AM, Ashwin wrote:
Smile you must, but do not try to hide the issue with the smile.
Quote from your post - " Why engage in back seat driving
and opinionating on what others do instead of showing the right path? "
*This is equal to abusing me.*
Ashwin,
With my moderator hat firmly on, it is not acceptable to call others
dumb in this mailing list. I have to recommend that you drop this kind
of language or refrain from posting any further.
Rahul
10:43 p.m.
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 09:00 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
On Thursday 29 July 2010 01:11 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/29/2010 12:24 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>> On Wednesday 28 July 2010 03:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>> @ASHWIN
>>> Madan is also not directed to fedora media program. and i deeply
>>> appreciate your reply to Rahul.
>>>
>> I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad has
>> faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
>
> It almost sounds you want volunteers to accept responsibility for what
> they do. How nice we have come full circle on this.
>
Please do not twist my posting to suit your ideas.
Please do not put your words in my mouth.
This is the worst that you can do.
When some one communicates - there should be a sincerity in the
communication made, which does not exist either in yours right now, and
nor did it exist in the one sent to Arshad.
If you recall, you mentioned a bias for names...Correct ? Since, you are
being (or acting) so dumb, so let me ask it directly - Is there a
negative bias for the names which have a Mohd. somewhere ?
with Regards,
ASHWIN
hi,
I ardently request the list to please ignore this mail and NOT reply.
The non existent issue is now being blown into religious bias.
Please, please do not fuel this useless discussion.
ASHWIN : please refrain from this behaviour. If I have to, I'll request
the moderator to block you from the lists if this continues. Your mail,
again, doesn't contain any constructive views. You are completely off
topic and are adhering to *touchy* topics to say the least. This is not
welcome here. We will not permit it. Please think before you write.
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur
11:42 p.m.
On Thursday 29 July 2010 09:13 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 09:00 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
> On Thursday 29 July 2010 01:11 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 07/29/2010 12:24 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 28 July 2010 03:16 PM, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> @ASHWIN
>>>> Madan is also not directed to fedora media program. and i deeply
>>>> appreciate your reply to Rahul.
>>>>
>>> I hope I was able to articulate the exact problem which Arshad has
>>> faced, and if left unchecked has the potential to multiply.
>>
>> It almost sounds you want volunteers to accept responsibility for what
>> they do. How nice we have come full circle on this.
>>
>
> Please do not twist my posting to suit your ideas.
> Please do not put your words in my mouth.
>
> This is the worst that you can do.
>
> When some one communicates - there should be a sincerity in the
> communication made, which does not exist either in yours right now, and
> nor did it exist in the one sent to Arshad.
>
> If you recall, you mentioned a bias for names...Correct ? Since, you are
> being (or acting) so dumb, so let me ask it directly - Is there a
> negative bias for the names which have a Mohd. somewhere ?
>
> with Regards,
> ASHWIN
>
>
>
>
hi,
I ardently request the list to please ignore this mail and NOT reply.
The non existent issue is now being blown into religious bias.
Please, please do not fuel this useless discussion.
ASHWIN : please refrain from this behaviour. If I have to, I'll request
the moderator to block you from the lists if this continues. Your mail,
again, doesn't contain any constructive views. You are completely off
topic and are adhering to *touchy* topics to say the least. This is not
welcome here. We will not permit it. Please think before you write.
Exactly, the replies to Arshad should have had similar thoughts too.
Do not issue threats of blocking me. Let the moderator email me to
delist and I will gladly do so. You are not the moderator here, so do
not assume yourself to be one. Stay within your own limits.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
2:46 p.m.
On 28/07/10 10:46, Ravi D. Sharma wrote:
@Frank
i have directed to Arshad to get enrolled for a ticket not to send a
copy directly and also apologies for miss conduction.
If he is badly stuck
give hime my Fedora user page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Frankly3d
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
Ireland
UTF_8 Encoded
1:52 p.m.
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 02:24 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 08:13 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
> Please take note of Madan's request.
>
> Madan was provided a media by a member on the list (great job Ankur)
> no
> issues with me, as long as the request was serviced.
>
> Madan was NOT directed to freemedia program. Was he ?
>
> Is there any regional or any other kind of bias here ?
>
> with Regards,
> ASHWIN
hi,
Madan was not directed, because the email sounded urgent (I did not
grill him to see if it really was urgent or not), and the free media
program would need him to retry next month.
Very good. What you did was right. Carry on the good work in future too.
hmmm... I don't intend to sound rude here but, *Why is "bias" even
coming up here?* How is this constructive? Does it really matter?
Because there was a bias in the replies sent to Arshad. Which is not
your fault at all and you need not feel guilty. It matters when we are
irritated and send out replies (biased) which has the potential to turn
probable users away from Fedora / FOSS / Linux.
Look, there are only some of us servicing media. If one's not, I
strongly feel that he/she really shouldn't be questioning us on what
criteria we use.
You (and others) have chosen not to service a specific request *no issues*.
But why should the person asking for help be rebuked in the first place
? Or are you saying just because a set of guys who are dishing out free
media have the right to rebuke people (whether a free media is sent to
the person or not) and such high handedness should not be questioned ?
Think again. You are wrong here.
If it matters, I'm biased towards :
- folks in and around Karnataka (when I'm in Manipal),
Very natural. It nice of you to announce it openly.
- folks who mail me personally (I do not direct these to the free
media
program if I can handle the request), it gives me a chance to personally
get in touch with people (I'm also an Ambassador)
A perfect approach.
- folks who respond to my further queries (thus showing that they
really
are interested)
Prevents wastage, very prudent.
Please note, your activity with respect to Madan is not the point, it is
very much appreciated.
The point being highlighted is lack of sensitivity towards Arshad (a
similar request like that of Madan), which is not your doing, so please
do not get worked up.
with Regards,
ASHWIN
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