What a beautiful write-up @tatica.
I agree with each and everything you wrote. Huge +1.
Regards,
Amita
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:47 PM María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
Hey All. Woha, what a Thread.
I would like to put my personal experience here, just to share different
perspectives from the same situation:
I consider myself to have been a quite active member of Fedora project
since I joined back in 2007. Started with design, then became an
ambassador, then became a mentor, helped in several teams "as ambassador",
was part of FAmSCo, then became Diversity advisory, etc etc. You could say
I'm an "active" ambassador and was an Active Mentor. it all looks good
until here. Ambassadors were not event handlers, that was the least of our
tasks... our main task was to get newcomers, ask them what they were
interested on, and direct them to the team within Fedora that fit their
skills. Events were just a way to catch new talents.
I became a mom in 2017, and my country internet/power situation became a
hell, so this is how my activities within Fedora changed:
* I stopped joining IRC because my bouncing rate would make me always be
banned from freenode, so I opted to be on the telegram channels that are
linked. most meeting channels are not linked, so, I don't go to meetings.
* I stopped interacting as an "official mentor" because my latency in
response to people was "unacceptable". Most newcomers are more interested
on "be named" ambassadors than to do the work required. I was one of the
few who tried to implement different processes to accept ambassadors [1]
[2] and not accept those who were only looking to have the "easiest"
recognizable title within the community. This hasn't changed for what I can
see...
* I didn't stop hosting events, but without power, it's quite hard to host
even a small talk. Without internet, it's hard to write a blog post. So
work is done, but it has become harder to "let the board know"
* I'm online on different hours and for short periods because work/kids. I
don't work for Fedora or RedHat, so my priority is my work and my kid, and
my small spare time is for the community right now.
Am I a bad ambassador for dropping my available time? I would like to
believe not.
Am I a bad mentor for demanding to know the real interest behind someone
who wants to become an ambassador? of course not, specially when one of my
requirements as Mentor was that, if you want to be an Ambassador, you have
to be part of another team inside Fedora so you can actually know what
you're gonna spread to the world.
People forgot that they don't need permission to contribute inside the
project, so why don't we put our energies on that instead of this kind of
futile debates of recognition for works that are NOT being correctly done?
In any case, I'm with Joerg in a lot of parts, I'm with Sirko in some
other, I'm with Eduard in a few more.
Fedora was a place where you felt welcomed to do, without having to "work"
in a company. If you had a couple a weeks a year to contribute, the team
said "thank you" instead saying "you're not doing enough". Fedora
doesn't
feel like a family right now, it feels like a corporation, with metrics to
fill, tasks that "have" to be done... and that drops motivation instead
lifting it. Most of us are here because we want to, not because we have to,
and until we start to treat people like contributors again instead as
employees, this kind of discussions won't stop, and the ton of changes to
have a more organized structure will only increase in an attempt to handle
people's time.
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Ambassadors-Mentors
[2]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Mentor
El mar., 26 may. 2020 a las 5:33, Joerg Simon (<jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org>)
escribió:
> Am 25.05.20 um 21:03 schrieb Leigh Griffin:
> > I mailed several of the listed people on the wiki and several other
> > people recommended by my team who had been mentored by them previously
> > on their journey to being an ambassador. Not all were EMEA based. 1
> > replied. 1 bounced on the listed mail. The rest I didn't get a response
> > from.
> ...
> > I didn't state I got far enough to become a full fledged ambassador. I
> > talked about the mentoring outreach.
>
> seeing this discussion back and forth - there are clear indications,
> there is not good enough leadership for Ambassadors since years and also
> no one willing to really invest time into Ambassador Group gardening -
> (e.g. 40h/week job during my FAmA times).
>
> The multiple stated indications show that Ambassador Mentors are
> obviously not approachable or at least not easy to approach and it is
> also obvious this discussions does not help getting our new release
> developed or a positive message torwards new users or contributors out.
>
> In the lists there are plenty of discussions helping not to repeat the
> mistakes of the past ... and there are a lot ;)
>
> So, as long as there is no one willing and able to step up as FAmA to do
> the slogger work and revive this dead patient, give freedom to those who
> invest their time trying to move this to a new
> place(joingroup/advocates) unbiased from the old battlegrounds - the
> time is long overdue to retire the Ambassador Group this will not
> diminish the work and the achievements done in this group in the past.
>
> cheers Joerg
> --
> Joerg (kital) Simon
> jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org
>
https://about.me/joerg.simon
> Key Fingerprint:
> 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688
>
> Call trans opt: received. 2-19-98 13:24:18 REC:Loc
>
> Trace program: running
>
> wake up, Neo...
> the matrix has you
> follow the white rabbit.
>
> knock, knock, Neo.
>
> (`. ,-,
> ` `. ,;' /
> `. ,'/ .'
> `. X /.'
> .-;--''--.._` ` (
> .' / `
> , ` ' Q '
> , , `._ \
> ,.| ' `-.;_'
> : . ` ; ` ` --,.._;
> ' ` , ) .'
> `._ , ' /_
> ; ,''-,;' ``-
> ``-..__``--`
> _______________________________________________
> ambassadors mailing list -- ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to ambassadors-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct:
>
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
> List Guidelines:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
>
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedorapro...
>
--
tatica
Maria Gracia Leandro
http://www.tatica.org
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
_______________________________________________
ambassadors mailing list -- ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe send an email to ambassadors-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Code of Conduct:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
List Guidelines:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedorapro...