On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 08:18:53 -0400,
"Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, excellent point. The actual dates for testing and verification
to rel-eng that things are ready should really feed into this as
well. So I'd recommend getting together with rel-eng to make sure
those dates jibe with the overall release schedule now. I think that
would make it easier for a wrangler to understand the scope of the
responsibilities as well.
I was thinking that if we can aggree that spin owners need to sign off
their spins for final at Monday's meeting, I'd try to make a releng
meeting to discuss how they would like stuff to flow. (Whether spin
owner to wrangler or direct to whoever is managing things on releng's
side.) Also what they think the timeline should be and what options are
practical if there are problems or someone doesn't reply in time.
In all honesty, from what I've seen of feature and spin
wrangling,
it's not so much time consuming, but rather requiring organization and
minding the calendar -- as long as the constituents (in this case the
Spins SIG) are also paying attention. The wrangler and the SIG should
have a clear way to determine "Spin owners U, V, W, and Y have all
responded by <DATE>, but spin owner X hasn't, therefore <REMEDY>."
Being able to rely on a very objective standard keeps everyone's
expectations met.
For the most part. I think doing reviews of spins that do tricky stuff
(not just package lists) can be time consuming in indivual cases. However,
I think that is something that the wrangler should be able to delegate
if need be (for time or expertise).
I'd like to see a page just with easy tests for broken things. There
is a pointer to a validor somewhere in the documentation, but I'd rather
see the tests that one might used to check for cruft in existing spins
in one place under testing.
At one point we were going to do test plans for spins, but I think that
currently we aren't having QA do anything with spins other than Desktop
and maybe KDE. In the near term I think having the owners try out what
they feel is critical is reasonable.