12:36 p.m.
There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their import
from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
Process for doing so:
1) write script that finds pages that haven't been touched by anybody
except ImportUser and Admin
1.5) blog loudly
2) write [[Template:Quarantine]], which will throw pages that transclude
it in [[Category:Quarantine]] and explain that the page will be
deleted on or after September 1 if the template is not removed
3) write script to mass-delete everything in [[Category:Quarantine]] on
September 1
If somebody wants a page back and nobody did anything about the
template, pages can still be restored by an admin.
Thoughts? I want to make sure that we have a pretty solid consensus
here before I go forth with this.
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12:41 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote:
There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since
their import
from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
Process for doing so:
1) write script that finds pages that haven't been touched by anybody
except ImportUser and Admin
1.5) blog loudly
2) write [[Template:Quarantine]], which will throw pages that transclude
it in [[Category:Quarantine]] and explain that the page will be
deleted on or after September 1 if the template is not removed
3) write script to mass-delete everything in [[Category:Quarantine]] on
September 1
If somebody wants a page back and nobody did anything about the
template, pages can still be restored by an admin.
Thoughts? I want to make sure that we have a pretty solid consensus
here before I go forth with this.
No opposition here, but would like for a date to be attached to 1,
1.5, and 2 as part of this plan.
12:46 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:41:44PM -0400, David Nalley wrote:
No opposition here, but would like for a date to be attached to 1,
1.5, and 2 as part of this plan.
How about "by next week" if I'm doing it?
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12:51 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:41:44PM -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> No opposition here, but would like for a date to be attached to 1,
> 1.5, and 2 as part of this plan.
How about "by next week" if I'm doing it?
worksforme
1:13 p.m.
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On 06/15/2010 01:41 PM, David Nalley wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org>
wrote:
> There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their import
> from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
>
> Process for doing so:
> 1) write script that finds pages that haven't been touched by anybody
> except ImportUser and Admin
> 1.5) blog loudly
> 2) write [[Template:Quarantine]], which will throw pages that transclude
> it in [[Category:Quarantine]] and explain that the page will be
> deleted on or after September 1 if the template is not removed
> 3) write script to mass-delete everything in [[Category:Quarantine]] on
> September 1
>
> If somebody wants a page back and nobody did anything about the
> template, pages can still be restored by an admin.
>
> Thoughts? I want to make sure that we have a pretty solid consensus
> here before I go forth with this.
No opposition here, but would like for a date to be attached to 1,
1.5, and 2 as part of this plan.
I concur with David. Sounds like a good plan.
- --Eric
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1:20 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Eric "Sparks" Christensen <
sparks(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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On 06/15/2010 01:41 PM, David Nalley wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote:
>> There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their import
>> from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
>>
>> Process for doing so:
>> 1) write script that finds pages that haven't been touched by anybody
>> except ImportUser and Admin
>> 1.5) blog loudly
>> 2) write [[Template:Quarantine]], which will throw pages that transclude
>> it in [[Category:Quarantine]] and explain that the page will be
>> deleted on or after September 1 if the template is not removed
>> 3) write script to mass-delete everything in [[Category:Quarantine]] on
>> September 1
>>
>> If somebody wants a page back and nobody did anything about the
>> template, pages can still be restored by an admin.
>>
>> Thoughts? I want to make sure that we have a pretty solid consensus
>> here before I go forth with this.
>
>
> No opposition here, but would like for a date to be attached to 1,
> 1.5, and 2 as part of this plan.
I concur with David. Sounds like a good plan.
- --Eric
What they said...
Also, I assume that your blog loudly includes the benefits to searching that
this provides. For those that want to keep the pages, you should also
mention in the blogs the option to archive (preserve for history but not
clutter default search) and/or add categories (make easier to find for
current and new users) rather than *just* removing the template to prevent
deleting. Will template that explains plan also point to wiki page with
these benefits and alternatives and blog links?
-Susan
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Lauber System Solutions, Inc.
http://www.laubersolutions.com
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1:26 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 02:20:27PM -0400, Susan Lauber wrote:
Also, I assume that your blog loudly includes the benefits to
searching that
this provides. For those that want to keep the pages, you should also
mention in the blogs the option to archive (preserve for history but not
clutter default search) and/or add categories (make easier to find for
current and new users) rather than *just* removing the template to prevent
deleting. Will template that explains plan also point to wiki page with
these benefits and alternatives and blog links?
Now that you mentioned this, it will. :)
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2:15 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Susan Lauber
<laubersm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Eric "Sparks" Christensen
<sparks(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
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> On 06/15/2010 01:41 PM, David Nalley wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote:
> >> There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their
import
> >> from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
> >>
> >> Process for doing so:
> >> 1) write script that finds pages that haven't been touched by anybody
> >> except ImportUser and Admin
> >> 1.5) blog loudly
> >> 2) write [[Template:Quarantine]], which will throw pages that
> >> transclude
> >> it in [[Category:Quarantine]] and explain that the page will be
> >> deleted on or after September 1 if the template is not removed
> >> 3) write script to mass-delete everything in [[Category:Quarantine]] on
> >> September 1
> >>
> >> If somebody wants a page back and nobody did anything about the
> >> template, pages can still be restored by an admin.
> >>
> >> Thoughts? I want to make sure that we have a pretty solid consensus
> >> here before I go forth with this.
> >
> >
> > No opposition here, but would like for a date to be attached to 1,
> > 1.5, and 2 as part of this plan.
>
> I concur with David. Sounds like a good plan.
>
> - --Eric
>
What they said...
Also, I assume that your blog loudly includes the benefits to searching that
this provides. For those that want to keep the pages, you should also
mention in the blogs the option to archive (preserve for history but not
clutter default search) and/or add categories (make easier to find for
current and new users) rather than just removing the template to prevent
deleting. Will template that explains plan also point to wiki page with
these benefits and alternatives and blog links?
And make adding categories/changing namespace the responsibility of
the person who reads the list and sees action that needs to be taken.
(That action should inherently clean the list up once it's re-run on
or about Sep 1. )
1:24 p.m.
Ian Weller said the following on 06/15/2010 10:36 AM Pacific Time:
There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since
their import
from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
What about pages that would not have needed to change like previous
release schedules, feature pages, etc?
Is the old MoinMoin wiki still accessible and if so, where?
Thanks,
John
1:54 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:24:32AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
What about pages that would not have needed to change like previous
release schedules, feature pages, etc?
So there's some options for these.
1) Write a few regexps for the script that marks each page as
{{quarantine}} to ignore.
2) Force the script to ignore pages from certain categories.
3) Manually remove {{quarantine}} on specific pages after the script
runs.
Does one of these work for you?
Is the old MoinMoin wiki still accessible and if so, where?
http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold -- but a lot of the features that made
MoinMoin run for us were turned off, so it could be interesting getting
around.
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11:25 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 02:54:10PM -0400, Ian Weller wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:24:32AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> What about pages that would not have needed to change like previous
> release schedules, feature pages, etc?
So there's some options for these.
1) Write a few regexps for the script that marks each page as
{{quarantine}} to ignore.
2) Force the script to ignore pages from certain categories.
3) Manually remove {{quarantine}} on specific pages after the script
runs.
Does one of these work for you?
Once we have the list of pages and have made it available to the
world, let's schedule some parties to look them over and see if we can
tell any need saving, archiving, or just vaporizing.
- Karsten
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team: Red Hat Community Architecture
uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki
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2:19 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM, John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Ian Weller said the following on 06/15/2010 10:36 AM Pacific Time:
> There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their import
> from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
>
What about pages that would not have needed to change like previous
release schedules, feature pages, etc?
Is the old MoinMoin wiki still accessible and if so, where?
I wonder if this content shouldn't be moved to Archive:
Is there a benefit to retaining this type of content in the main
namespace and thus default search path? Especially in the case where
release < n-2, that type of content serves great historical and
forward looking value but seems more suited (in my mind at least) for
Archive:
Thoughts?
David
2:40 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 03:19:24PM -0400, David Nalley wrote:
I wonder if this content shouldn't be moved to Archive:
Is there a benefit to retaining this type of content in the main
namespace and thus default search path? Especially in the case where
release < n-2, that type of content serves great historical and
forward looking value but seems more suited (in my mind at least) for
Archive:
From me, a +1 for moving it to the Archive namespace.
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3:35 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:24:32AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
Ian Weller said the following on 06/15/2010 10:36 AM Pacific Time:
> There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their import
> from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
>
What about pages that would not have needed to change like previous
release schedules, feature pages, etc?
Is the old MoinMoin wiki still accessible and if so, where?
It is but there's no plans to make sure that it keeps working indefinitely.
In fact, we've been on mediawiki long enough that I think infrastructure
should probably look into removing it soon.
https://fedoraproject.org/wikiold
-Toshio
5:08 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 04:36:38PM -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Just a quest: Why delete rather than archive?
Hmm. I guess they have the same effect on being removed from the default
search.
Anybody against doing this instead? Definitely a lot less harmful for
false positives -- we could probably reduce the warning time to August
1.
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12:34 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 06:08:05PM -0400, Ian Weller wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 04:36:38PM -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Just a quest: Why delete rather than archive?
Hmm. I guess they have the same effect on being removed from the default
search.
Anybody against doing this instead? Definitely a lot less harmful for
false positives -- we could probably reduce the warning time to August
1.
We could archive and either put/leave a template on the page, or put
it in a special category, marking it as untouched since conversion and
subject to future removal to keep the archives clean, if they page
proves unworthy of archiving.
- Karsten
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team: Red Hat Community Architecture
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8:27 a.m.
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On 06/15/2010 06:08 PM, Ian Weller wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 04:36:38PM -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Just a quest: Why delete rather than archive?
Hmm. I guess they have the same effect on being removed from the default
search.
Anybody against doing this instead? Definitely a lot less harmful for
false positives -- we could probably reduce the warning time to August
1.
Did you announce this, yet? I haven't read anything about this.
- --Eric
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