On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 07:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Rahul and I bashed it around some more today, thanks to Rahul for dragging me in, I should have been reading the list to keep up with this. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:15 -0400, John J. McDonough wrote: I see more changes keep landing :) Couple of notes on recent changes: "Of note, is that by default, Dracut generates generic initramfs images containing most kernel modules needed to boot on most hardware, increasing file size by about 3 times. To switch to more efficient hostonly images, see /etc/dracut.conf." - I don't think this kind of release note belongs in the beta announcement (if we take this one, I can contribute all kinds of similar ones to the other sections). At most, a straight link to the release notes (where this text should actually be included). "As always, the Fedora Project continues to push these enhancements upstream and make them available for all Linux distributions." - it seems a bit odd to write this _just_ in the webcam section, when obviously it applies to almost the entire document. Either we should have a little general blurb about this at the top - something like 'The Fedora Project's policy is to contribute all its development work to upstream projects to benefit as many users of all distributions and operating systems as possible', perhaps with a link elsewhere in the Wiki to the full policy and 'list of contributions' page - or we don't mention it at all. Developers and Sysadmins proposed section - I'm worried the announcement's already pretty long. In my experience, people tune out after the first half a page or so. (Most people probably aren't going to read past 'graphics support improvements' in the current text, IMHO). Still, not sure what a good solution is. A separate page would be equally rarely-viewed and it's hard to send out an announcement as multiple pages. I've been trying to keep the length of the current text down but it just keeps ballooning... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 18:41 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: Well, I did that a few days ago, and then it ballooned back again :) I had it down to a low of 9,561 bytes on the 16th, it's at 12,858 as published. Oh, well. Some of the changes were actual features that weren't mentioned before, but a lot were notes of people who had been involved with each change. I suppose there may be a Red Hat angle on this (RH would like its generous contributions noted :>) but it did stretch things out quite a lot, and that was without systematically attributing _everything_ mentioned - so the final document is somewhat 'unfair' (some people are credited but others who could have been aren't). If we'd credited all the changes mentioned, it would've been even huger. Oh well, these constitute notes for the future, I guess. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 04:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Oh, it's definitely good, didn't want to give any other impression! Just thinking of ways to make it better. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahul Sundaram" <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; To: "John J. McDonough" <wb8rcr(a)arrl.net>; "For participants of the Documentation Project" <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com&gt; Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Fedora 12 Beta Announcement Rahul, I caught your updates last night - very good, thanks for the help. --McD