[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 487061] New: Japanese fonts changed to less readable after update
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Summary: Japanese fonts changed to less readable after update
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Summary: Japanese fonts changed to less readable after update Product: Fedora Version: 10 Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: low Priority: low Component: vlgothic-fonts AssignedTo: ryo-dairiki@users.sourceforge.net ReportedBy: mcmonster@o2.pl QAContact: extras-qa@fedoraproject.org CC: tagoh@redhat.com, ryo-dairiki@users.sourceforge.net, fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com, fedora-i18n-bugs@redhat.com Estimated Hours: 0.0 Classification: Fedora
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; pl-PL; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020410 Fedora/3.0.6-1.fc10 Firefox/3.0.6
I'm using irssi on gnome-terminal (Monospace font), after update Japanese fonts changed, they're now much smaller (compared to latin), harder to read (some ideograms are completely unreadable). It is very annoying, because I use Japanese and sit on Japanese channel a lot. The change occured only in terminal, in gEdit and other applications old fonts are still used for typing (SCIM + Anthy) and displaying.
The change didn't affect everyone, some Fedora 10 still got old, simple and readable fonts.
Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce: Just try displaying any Japanese text.
This is the update, that probably changed fonts:
Feb 14 02:31:53 Installed: vlgothic-fonts-common-20090204-2.fc10.noarch Feb 14 02:32:39 Installed: vlgothic-fonts-20090204-2.fc10.noarch Feb 14 02:32:42 Installed: vlgothic-p-fonts-20090204-2.fc10.noarch Feb 14 02:33:28 Erased: VLGothic-fonts Feb 14 02:33:30 Erased: VLGothic-fonts-proportional
]# LANG=C yum list vlgothic* Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Installed Packages vlgothic-fonts.noarch 20090204-2.fc10 installed vlgothic-fonts-common.noarch 20090204-2.fc10 installed Available Packages VLGothic-fonts.noarch 20081029-1.fc10 updates VLGothic-fonts-proportional.noarch 20081029-1.fc10 updates vlgothic-p-fonts.noarch 20090204-2.fc10 updates
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--- Comment #1 from Akihiro Nomura sacredfox@hotmail.com 2009-03-28 03:16:42 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=337093) --> (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=337093) Screenshot of gnome-terminal w/ old VLGothic* packages.
I faced the same problem and I'm still using old VLGothic-* packages. On this update, font size of terminal get smaller and width of ideograms (like ● and □) become wrong. In older VLGothic-*, their cosmetic width is hankaku (1/2 of height, like English alphabet) and its actual width (used to calculate the position of next character) is also hankaku. But in new vlgothic-*, their cosmetic width become zenkaku (same as height, like CJK character) but its actual width is treated as hankaku. Please compare the screenshots, I put ideograms without space in left side, and with 1 space between each characters in right side.
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--- Comment #2 from Akihiro Nomura sacredfox@hotmail.com 2009-03-28 03:17:41 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=337094) --> (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=337094) Screenshot of gnome-terminal w/ new vlgothic* packages.
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--- Comment #3 from Akihiro Nomura sacredfox@hotmail.com 2009-04-28 23:26:31 EDT --- I tried a patch proposed in #485566 and it solves my problem. I think this is the same behaviour to older VLGothic-* packages as far as I can see.
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--- Comment #4 from Akihiro Nomura sacredfox@hotmail.com 2009-06-18 07:01:37 EDT --- In fedora 11, CJK ambiguous width ideograms are rendered and treated as zenkaku(full-width) in gnome-terminal. It renders these ideograms without error that I mentioned in Comment #1. But rendering them as Zenkaku(full-width) makes vim confused. In F11's default setting, default value of ambiwidth option in vim is always single, vim assumes these ideograms are rendered as Hankaku(half-width). If this setting is wrong, cursor position in vim gets wrong and hard to edit the files including these ideograms. This behaviour makes all Japanese F11 & vim user confusing.
There are 2 ways to solve this problem:
A: Put a vim script that detects accurate ambiwidth option in /etc/vimrc (change vim) B: Make default width of these ideograms to Hankaku (change fontconfig/vlgothic)
I don't know whether this buggy behaviour is vim's bug or fontconfig/vlgothic's bug, but I think solution B is better for users, because changing /etc/vimrc may bring another additional error to the people who don't use CJK characters and these buggy behaviour is brought by fontconfig/vlgothic changes.
If I should open another bug for this problem, please let me know so.
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Jens Petersen petersen@redhat.com changed:
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--- Comment #5 from fujiwara tfujiwar@redhat.com 2009-07-15 00:02:31 EDT --- It seems the vte algorithm is fixed recently. http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/vte/trunk/src/iso2022.c?r1=2259&r2=2340
I would think to set ambiwidth=double in your .vimrc Or another enhancement is to set ambiwidth for CJK locales only by default.
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--- Comment #6 from Akira TAGOH tagoh@redhat.com 2009-07-15 00:35:59 EDT --- Well, I still have no idea to figure out what's the right direction to fix this. the recommendation how to deal with the ambiguous width characters is described in http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr11/tr11-16.html#Recommendations, but it's only the case for legacy character encodings.
That may means we have to deal with them as narrow characters in Unicode. but modifying the vector data to fit within is misleading IMHO because it's still possible to use in other Japanese encodings and those are basically handling them as wide characters. which may also means any fixes may be unlikely happenning in upstream. Aside from that, given that modifying a font in Fedora, that may introduces another bugs/regressions because fontforge sometimes do the weird thing and easily breaks unfortunately. that may confuses people and upstream. I'm afraid I don't want to make such changes.
Ideally TrueType/OpenType should has any properties to do that and fontconfig or freetype changes it as needed. dunno.
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Akira TAGOH tagoh@redhat.com changed:
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--- Comment #8 from Akira TAGOH tagoh@redhat.com 2009-12-08 02:57:15 EDT --- There may be no way of fixing this unless applications deals with it. I'm still at the same position to comment #6, still thinking fixing this at the vlgothic font isn't a good idea. it didn't just appear before because we didn't use this font for Latin for another reason. I'll keep it open until we find the right solution.
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--- Comment #10 from Jens Petersen petersen@redhat.com 2010-07-08 02:05:57 EDT --- Is it any better in F13?
(In reply to comment #5)
It seems the vte algorithm is fixed recently. http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/vte/trunk/src/iso2022.c?r1=2259&r2=2340
I would think to set ambiwidth=double in your .vimrc Or another enhancement is to set ambiwidth for CJK locales only by default.
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--- Comment #11 from Akira TAGOH tagoh@redhat.com 2011-01-06 04:44:40 EST --- still happens in even rawhide. I'm planning to "blacklist" them in fontconfig config file with upcoming release of fontconfig to avoid picking them up.
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