Re: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Fedora Meeting Today #fedora-meeting-1
by Emmanuel Seyman
* Reminder [17/11/2014 08:30] :
>
> Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion de la communauté francophone, qui aura
> lieu ce lundi (17 novembre) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode)
> #fedora-meeting-1 .
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#fedora-meeting-1: Fedora-Fr
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Meeting started by eseyman at 19:34:10 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-11-17/fedora-fr_du...
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Meeting summary
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* Association Borsalinux-fr (eseyman, 19:36:04)
* Fedora-Fr.org (eseyman, 19:38:03)
* Projet Fedora (eseyman, 19:40:48)
* On passe en final freeze demain (eseyman, 19:41:26)
* les élections pour le fedora council débutent demain. Votez !
(eseyman, 19:44:47)
* Premier samedi (eseyman, 19:45:44)
* French test day (eseyman, 19:46:41)
* Capitole du Libre 2014 (eseyman, 19:53:17)
* ACTION: eseyman faire un CR pour les forums/le planet (eseyman,
19:55:24)
* Rencontres Fedora 21 (eseyman, 19:57:04)
* ACTION: eseyman lancer discussion sur les RF21 sur la liste de
diffusion (eseyman, 20:01:36)
* Discussion libre (eseyman, 20:02:21)
Meeting ended at 20:10:05 UTC.
Action Items
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* eseyman faire un CR pour les forums/le planet
* eseyman lancer discussion sur les RF21 sur la liste de diffusion
Action Items, by person
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* eseyman
* eseyman faire un CR pour les forums/le planet
* eseyman lancer discussion sur les RF21 sur la liste de diffusion
People Present (lines said)
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* eseyman (53)
* number80 (14)
* sereinity (11)
* zodbot (11)
* Jehane (11)
* nobrakal (8)
* llaumgui_nexus10 (6)
* langdon (3)
* llaumgui_nexus (2)
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9 years, 5 months
Fedora Release Engineering meeting summary for 2014-11-17
by Dennis Gilmore
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#fedora-meeting-1: RELENG (2014-11-17)
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Meeting started by dgilmore at 14:31:59 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-11-17/releng.2014-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (dgilmore, 14:32:15)
* Secondary Architectures updates (dgilmore, 14:36:34)
* Secondary Architectures update - ppc (dgilmore, 14:36:36)
* Secondary Architectures update - s390 (dgilmore, 14:41:42)
* Secondary Architectures update - arm (dgilmore, 14:42:31)
* #5967 Enable source repo generation (dgilmore, 14:46:15)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5967 (dgilmore,
14:46:16)
Meeting ended at 15:40:50 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* dgilmore (119)
* mizdebsk (38)
* nirik (17)
* pbrobinson (13)
* zodbot (4)
* msimacek (3)
* bochecha (2)
* danofsatx-work (1)
* drag00n (1)
* tyll (0)
* masta (0)
* sharkcz (0)
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9 years, 5 months
Re: [Ambassadors] APAC FAD Phnom Penh 2014 - the 2nd day minutes
by Truong Anh Tuan
Hi all,
We got another wonderful day. It is the last day at FAD Phnom Penh.
It would be a big move of budget planning in APAC. Hope we can do
everything better next fiscal year.
We are also looking forward to reports, pictures, wiki, etc. to be
done and shared.
Please check out the meeting minutes here:
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-16/fedora-fad.2014-11...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-16/fedora-fad.2014-11...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-16/fedora-fad.2014-11...
===================
#fedora-fad Meeting
===================
Meeting started by tuanta at 03:57:00 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-16/fedora-fad.2014-11...
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Meeting summary
---------------
* FUDCon (tuanta, 03:57:26)
* IDEA: (gnokii) it is best to have the location of the next FUDCon to
announce at the current FUDCon (tuanta, 03:58:35)
* this topic would be back later (tuanta, 03:59:14)
* Events and Activities in FY2016 (tuanta, 03:59:40)
* Release Parties and some other events added, so the total planned
now is $25,500 (tuanta, 04:00:43)
* Swags (tuanta, 04:06:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/171 (zsun,
04:14:33)
* LINK: https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014 (alick,
04:19:54)
* keychain produced at CNY 2 ~ US $0.33 (tuanta, 04:28:59)
* IDEA: produce swags in Red Hat Singapore for easier shipping it to
other countries (similar to what EMEA doing) (tuanta, 04:35:25)
* ACTION: all ambassadors to come up with the cheapest quote for swag
(siddhesh, 04:45:05)
* transaction fees for reimbursements (siddhesh, 06:44:11)
* estimated swag cost is about $9,500 and media cost is about $8,500
then the total now is $43,500 (tuanta, 06:47:33)
* IDEA: we should cut it down to a half by setting the priority for
each item (tuanta, 06:48:02)
* ACTION: talk to FPL to get a letter that we are a non-profit, which
paypal will accept to waive the transaction fees (siddhesh,
06:50:15)
* ACTION: talk with FPL if we can get a US western union account that
is attached to KageSenshi's credit card .. need a US phone number to
register one (KageSenshi, 07:23:51)
* IDEA: opening another PayPal account for Izhar using his community
card but an US account which includes the feature to cover
transaction fees by sender (tuanta, 07:24:43)
* IDEA: other idea is we can collect all PayPal transaction fee
receipts then get that difference reimbursed once per year (tuanta,
07:26:07)
* materials (siddhesh, 07:38:47)
* ACTION: ambassadors to coordinate addition of materials they have to
the inventory list:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/Materials
(siddhesh, 07:41:59)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/162 (zsun,
07:47:39)
* ACTION: tuanta to bring up branding for smaller
contributor/developer related events at the FAMSCo meeting.
(siddhesh): Call them Fedora Contributor Meetup or Fedora User
Meetup? (tuanta, 07:47:49)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement
(tuanta, 07:51:59)
* LINK:
http://hortonworks.com/blog/openshift-v3-kubernetes-docker-hadoop-yarn/
(KageSenshi, 08:52:14)
* Distributing Ambassador Polo Shirts (tuanta, 09:04:06)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/shirts
(tuanta, 09:05:00)
* IDEA: ( siddhesh ) with some reserved ones for new ambassadors (in
each country) (tuanta, 09:05:30)
* IDEA: ( gnokii ) EMEA send a new polo shirt for a new ambassador.
He/she needs open a Trac ticket to request (tuanta, 09:06:33)
* IDEA: ( gnokii ) and in EMEA, ambassadors get a new one after each
three years (because the old one is too old) (tuanta, 09:07:25)
* IDEA: ( siddhesh ) kick butt of vietnamese ambassadors (KageSenshi,
09:12:33)
* ACTION: kicking butts of vietnamese ambassadors ;) (siddhesh,
09:12:42)
Meeting ended at 01:48:11 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* all ambassadors to come up with the cheapest quote for swag
* talk to FPL to get a letter that we are a non-profit, which paypal
will accept to waive the transaction fees
* talk with FPL if we can get a US western union account that is
attached to KageSenshi's credit card .. need a US phone number to
register one
* ambassadors to coordinate addition of materials they have to the
inventory list:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/Materials
* tuanta to bring up branding for smaller contributor/developer related
events at the FAMSCo meeting. (siddhesh): Call them Fedora
Contributor Meetup or Fedora User Meetup?
* kicking butts of vietnamese ambassadors ;)
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* KageSenshi
* talk with FPL if we can get a US western union account that is
attached to KageSenshi's credit card .. need a US phone number to
register one
* siddhesh
* tuanta to bring up branding for smaller contributor/developer
related events at the FAMSCo meeting. (siddhesh): Call them Fedora
Contributor Meetup or Fedora User Meetup?
* tuanta
* tuanta to bring up branding for smaller contributor/developer
related events at the FAMSCo meeting. (siddhesh): Call them Fedora
Contributor Meetup or Fedora User Meetup?
* **UNASSIGNED**
* all ambassadors to come up with the cheapest quote for swag
* talk to FPL to get a letter that we are a non-profit, which paypal
will accept to waive the transaction fees
* ambassadors to coordinate addition of materials they have to the
inventory list:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/Materials
* kicking butts of vietnamese ambassadors ;)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* zsun (64)
* KageSenshi (46)
* tuanta (46)
* alick (33)
* siddhesh (28)
* zsun_mob (13)
* zsun_afk (8)
* zodbot (7)
* somvannda_ (4)
* amitshah_ (2)
* botreynisa (1)
* gnokii (0)
* banas (0)
* hanthana (0)
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Kind regards,
Tuan
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Truong Anh. Tuan" <tuanta(a)iwayvietnam.com>
> To: "ambassadors" <ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc: meetingminutes(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:54:09 AM
> Subject: [Ambassadors] APAC FAD Phnom Penh 2014 - the 1st day minutes
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday, we had a brilliant day at FAD Phnom Penh [1]. Almost events
> and activities in FY2016 have been sorted out.
>
> Please kindly check the meeting log here and look forward to the whole
> results after the FAD finished:
>
> Minutes:
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
> Minutes (text):
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
> Log:
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
>
> ===================
> #fedora-fad Meeting
> ===================
>
>
> Meeting started by tuanta at 02:26:48 UTC. The full logs are available
> at
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
> .
>
>
>
> Meeting summary
> ---------------
> * Roll call (tuanta, 02:27:17)
> * there are some useful links today: (tuanta, 02:33:38)
> * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
> (tuanta, 02:33:42)
> * LINK: https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014 (tuanta,
> 02:33:50)
>
> * Sirko's notes (tuanta, 02:50:24)
> * LINK:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings#Meeting_protocol
> (IzharFirdaus, 02:55:07)
>
> * situation in each country (tuanta, 03:44:42)
> * LINK: https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014 (alick,
> 04:10:45)
>
> * Discuss events over the next FY (siddhesh_, 04:26:57)
>
> * Discuss events over the next FY (kushal, 04:37:21)
> * ACTION: zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events
> such as OSDC (zsun, 07:08:48)
> * ACTION: kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;) (siddhesh_,
> 08:51:10)
>
> Meeting ended at 11:28:16 UTC.
>
>
>
>
> Action Items
> ------------
> * zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events such as
> OSDC
> * kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;)
>
>
>
>
> Action Items, by person
> -----------------------
> * zsun
> * zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events such as
> OSDC
> * **UNASSIGNED**
> * kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;)
>
>
>
>
> People Present (lines said)
> ---------------------------
> * siddhesh_ (228)
> * kushal (98)
> * zsun (60)
> * amitshah (48)
> * alick (39)
> * tuanta (31)
> * banas (26)
> * hanthana (24)
> * zodbot (15)
> * IzharFirdaus (13)
> * gnokii (12)
> * azneita (4)
> * mpduty (4)
> * nangthang (3)
> * somvannda (2)
> * botreynisa (2)
> * KageSenshi (1)
> * mpduty_ (1)
>
>
>
>
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> Kind regards,
> Tuan
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9 years, 5 months
APAC FAD Phnom Penh 2014 - the 1st day minutes
by Truong Anh Tuan
Hi all,
Yesterday, we had a brilliant day at FAD Phnom Penh [1]. Almost events
and activities in FY2016 have been sorted out.
Please kindly check the meeting log here and look forward to the whole
results after the FAD finished:
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
===================
#fedora-fad Meeting
===================
Meeting started by tuanta at 02:26:48 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2014-11-15/fedora-fad.2014-11...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call (tuanta, 02:27:17)
* there are some useful links today: (tuanta, 02:33:38)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014/events
(tuanta, 02:33:42)
* LINK: https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014 (tuanta,
02:33:50)
* Sirko's notes (tuanta, 02:50:24)
* LINK:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings#Meeting_protocol
(IzharFirdaus, 02:55:07)
* situation in each country (tuanta, 03:44:42)
* LINK: https://www.piratepad.ca/p/FADPhnomPenh2014 (alick,
04:10:45)
* Discuss events over the next FY (siddhesh_, 04:26:57)
* Discuss events over the next FY (kushal, 04:37:21)
* ACTION: zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events
such as OSDC (zsun, 07:08:48)
* ACTION: kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;) (siddhesh_,
08:51:10)
Meeting ended at 11:28:16 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events such as
OSDC
* kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;)
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* zsun
* zsun try to community with Ambassadors in Taiwan for events such as
OSDC
* **UNASSIGNED**
* kicking butts of indonesia ambassadors ;)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* siddhesh_ (228)
* kushal (98)
* zsun (60)
* amitshah (48)
* alick (39)
* tuanta (31)
* banas (26)
* hanthana (24)
* zodbot (15)
* IzharFirdaus (13)
* gnokii (12)
* azneita (4)
* mpduty (4)
* nangthang (3)
* somvannda (2)
* botreynisa (2)
* KageSenshi (1)
* mpduty_ (1)
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Kind regards,
Tuan
9 years, 5 months
Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-11-13)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-11-13)
============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-13/infrastructure...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* aloha (nirik, 18:00:05)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:01:26)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:07:34)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:22:37)
* ansible faster: controlpersist + pipelining on lockbox01 (nirik,
18:23:53)
* all builders updated (nirik, 18:24:03)
* nagios/alerts recap (nirik, 18:26:27)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:30:07)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 18:30:07)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:34:09)
Meeting ended at 18:38:40 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* nirik (83)
* pingou (14)
* henderbj (10)
* threebean (10)
* zodbot (7)
* tflink (5)
* danielbruno (4)
* adimania (3)
* oddshocks (1)
* danofsatx (1)
* relrod (1)
* puiterwijk (0)
* abadger1999 (0)
* lmacken (0)
* smooge (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0)
--
18:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-11-13)
18:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 13 18:00:04 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:05 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:05 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:05 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
18:00:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:11 * threebean waves
18:00:14 * adimania is here
18:00:18 * danielbruno is here
18:00:34 <henderbj> Hi, again!
18:01:23 <nirik> morning everyone.
18:01:26 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
18:01:38 * relrod here, sorry
18:01:45 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves? or apprentices with questions/comments/ideas/feedback
18:01:57 <nirik> smooge is off at LISA conference.
18:02:05 * pingou kinda here
18:02:05 <nirik> pingou is also off
18:02:10 <nirik> ha. Or not.
18:02:33 <pingou> :)
18:02:41 <henderbj> I am back... possibly with more contributing presence (i hope)
18:02:50 <danielbruno> I would like to know how to proceed on ticket #3617
18:03:02 <danielbruno> it is a easyfix ticket
18:03:17 <nirik> henderbj: welcome back. ;)
18:03:33 <nirik> danielbruno: is that the planet one? yeah, my fault... it's on my list, but I keep not getting to it.
18:03:41 <nirik> I can try and get it today or tomorrow. ;)
18:03:51 <nirik> would be great to get fixed.
18:04:06 <danielbruno> nirik, I'll wait your feedback ;)
18:04:13 <henderbj> I want to work on #4290
18:04:15 * oddshocks here, had net probs
18:04:27 <nirik> I think all the parts are good, just needs commiting and running now. ;)
18:04:31 <nirik> .ticket 4290
18:04:32 <zodbot> nirik: #4290 ([easyfix] ansible check-host playbook) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4290
18:04:43 <nirik> henderbj: cool. :) that should be a fun one.
18:04:52 <henderbj> it's about create a check-playbook...
18:05:18 <henderbj> i need to know on which server i can start testing my ansible script
18:05:21 <threebean> that would be nice to have :)
18:05:42 <nirik> henderbj: well, I would say start with some local host to get the initial setup working...
18:05:43 <henderbj> My* refers to one that i will write ;)
18:06:20 <nirik> any fedora or centos host should work.
18:06:24 <henderbj> Ok... on my local fedora server... but i then can refer mostly to fedora servers... later we will need adapt it to RHEL ones
18:06:30 <nirik> yeah...
18:06:37 <nirik> shouldn't be too much different really
18:07:00 <henderbj> Ok... got it... i will update my findings on ticket when i have some :)
18:07:08 <nirik> sounds great.
18:07:34 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:07:42 <nirik> any applications news this week or upcoming?
18:08:02 <nirik> I'll note that we enter final f21 freeze next tuesday, so if there's things we want to land before freeze we should do so soon. ;)
18:08:06 <pingou> I'll need to do a pkgdb-cli release at one point
18:08:27 <pingou> but I'll have to coordinate with lmacken as the structure of the project changes
18:08:34 <nirik> ok
18:08:35 <pingou> *should* be transparent, but... :)
18:08:54 <pingou> I guess most things will come out after freeze
18:09:24 <pingou> the next pkgdb2 release (beside backport) will include the mechanism to integrate with the-new-hotness
18:09:33 <pingou> so I'll see with threebean :)
18:09:42 <nirik> cool.
18:09:45 <nirik> looking forward to it.
18:09:53 <pingou> and maybe I have a fedocal release pending
18:10:14 <pingou> I'm just afraid to come back just after the beginning of freeze and thus miss the current window
18:10:16 <nirik> oh, I see the current upstream monitoring bugs mention the github repo for anitya, but perhaps we could change that now to say the site?
18:10:28 <nirik> (so people can go look more easily)
18:10:36 <pingou> +1
18:10:40 <nirik> well, we can always get exceptions.
18:10:50 <nirik> does tyll control that? or we do somewhere?
18:11:15 * danofsatx is here
18:11:19 <pingou> the script is tyll, the wiki is... the wiki :)
18:11:52 <nirik> ok.
18:12:25 <nirik> any other applications type news?
18:12:27 * pingou asked tyll
18:13:20 <threebean> i'm trying to get a bunch of our apps off of rhel6 to rhel7
18:13:24 <nirik> I was hoping to move blockerbugs over to ansible/rhel7, but it needs some packages branched/built.
18:13:25 <threebean> hopefully before freeze next week
18:13:38 <nirik> and possibly some coding work
18:13:39 <threebean> trying to get through fedora-tagger, tahrir, fmn.web, github2fedmsg
18:13:55 <nirik> nice.
18:13:57 <threebean> also, I got staging koji accepting builds again for testing stuff there.
18:14:18 <nirik> I fixed up some issues on buildvm-01.stg yesterday too...
18:14:19 <threebean> and a new release of the releng-dash app is up with some bugfixes.
18:14:53 <tflink> we have a blockerbugs bugfix that should be deployed before freeze - I expect it to be merged tomorrow
18:15:11 <tflink> nirik: did you want to get blockerbugs migrated to el7/ansible before freeze?
18:15:27 <nirik> tflink: I would like to, but I know time is tight now...
18:16:21 <nirik> it was missing 3 packages I think?
18:16:24 <nirik> blockerbugs itself.
18:16:49 <nirik> python-flask-sqlalchemy
18:16:50 <tflink> yeah, I was hoping mock would be fixed so I could do local test builds but there's been no response on that bug
18:16:57 <nirik> python-sqlalchemy0.7
18:17:07 <nirik> (which might just be python-sqlalchemy on epel7)
18:17:11 <pingou> it is
18:17:20 <nirik> tflink: scratch builds? ;)
18:17:58 <tflink> nirik: it's a simple change in mock config, I've just been distracted
18:18:03 <nirik> o
18:18:05 <nirik> ok
18:18:24 <nirik> anyhow, if you have time to get the packages sorted, I would be happy to migrate the instances.
18:19:25 <nirik> if not we can do it after freeze. ;)
18:20:34 <tflink> I'll see if I can get it done but another question is whether migrating blockerbugs a day or two before freeze is all that wise :)
18:21:22 <nirik> well, the freeze is extra long this time and we can get exceptions to fix things if we broke it.
18:21:31 <nirik> also, I can keep the old instances around to go back to.
18:22:26 <nirik> so, I would think it would be ok
18:22:37 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:22:58 <nirik> ok, on the sysadmin side... I have been running our master playbook the last few days and cleaning things up.
18:23:17 <nirik> Also, we got controlpersist + ssh pipelining working on lockbox01, so ansible runs should be much faster.
18:23:53 <nirik> #info ansible faster: controlpersist + pipelining on lockbox01
18:24:03 <nirik> #info all builders updated
18:24:30 <nirik> I might try and do another updates round tomorrow or monday with no outage/reboots...
18:24:36 <nirik> just to sync things before the freeze.
18:25:00 <nirik> If someone is looking for an ansible migration to do, another nice one would be: nameservers.
18:26:13 <nirik> I might try and also get in a new mirrorlist server before freeze.
18:26:27 <nirik> #topic nagios/alerts recap
18:26:53 * nirik digs up url, should have put it somewhere.
18:28:30 <nirik> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?report=1&disp...
18:28:31 <zodbot> nirik: http://tinyurl.com/nl2hz72
18:28:51 <nirik> big producers this week:
18:29:00 <nirik> proxy07... seems to be having some kind of network issues.
18:29:14 <nirik> proxy03... varnish has died on it twice. Not sure why. ;(
18:30:07 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:30:07 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
18:30:20 <nirik> anything upcoming anyone would like to schedule or note?
18:30:22 <threebean> notifs-backend warnings have been a theme for a few months.. but I think they should be on their way out now. the pkgdb floods got it this week.
18:30:26 <nirik> we do have freeze starting on the 18th
18:30:59 <adimania> .ticket 4392
18:31:00 <zodbot> adimania: #4392 ([easyfix] migrate blockerbugs from puppet to ansible) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4392
18:31:09 <nirik> threebean: yeah. Those might be better after we go to FMN only
18:32:11 <nirik> Also, we have our FAD coming up in early december.
18:32:33 * nirik notes we will be in freeze for it, which is kinda anoying for the ansible work, but we can stage it and push it after freeze.
18:33:01 <threebean> ew, yeah. I didn't realize that.
18:33:20 <nirik> release is the day I am flying back from the FAD. ;)
18:33:24 <adimania> sounds good to me.
18:33:26 <nirik> but I think it will be ok.
18:34:09 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:34:15 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
18:35:21 <threebean> hey - so this might be interesting to check out https://hacksummit.org/
18:36:03 <nirik> huh, cool.
18:36:05 <nirik> all virtual?
18:37:06 <nirik> alrighty, if nothing else will close out in a minute...
18:37:23 <henderbj> There is a hackaton: https://koding.com/Hackathon
18:37:29 <henderbj> Sorry if off-topic
18:38:37 <nirik> alright. Thanks for coming everyone.
18:38:40 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 5 months
I18N meeting minutes 2014-11-12
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com
Hi,
We had weekly meeting yesterday summary is as follows.
Meeting summary
---------------
* agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:01:24)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2014-11-12
(pravins, 06:04:01)
* Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:04:22)
* 2014-11-04 Beta Release (pravins, 06:04:28)
* 2014-11-18 [https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1364 Fesco]
Final Freeze (Former Final Change Deadline) (pravins, 06:04:28)
* 2014-12-09 Fedora 21 Final Release (pravins, 06:04:28)
* Outstanding topics (pravins, 06:16:43)
* ACTION: epico to add CJK fonts in google-noto-fonts (pravins,
06:18:15)
* #34: need Fedora i18n Mission Statement
(i18n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:18:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34 (pravins, 06:18:38)
* #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
(i18n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:24:59)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 (pravins, 06:25:05)
* Outstanding tasks (pravins, 06:28:25)
* #32: Fedora 21 i18n test day (i18n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org)
(pravins, 06:28:29)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/32 (pravins, 06:28:35)
* #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup
(i18n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:37:03)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35 (pravins, 06:37:06)
* New topic (pravins, 06:40:20)
* #38: Adding metainfo for font packages (pravins) (pravins,
06:40:24)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/38 (pravins, 06:40:28)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/34 (pravins, 06:45:05)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vision_statement (pravins,
06:46:33)
* LINK: http://piratepad.net/zt6yXxFcOb (juhp, 07:00:11)
* ACTION: all add there suggestion in http://piratepad.net/zt6yXxFcOb
(pravins, 07:05:27)
* Open Floor (pravins, 07:07:06)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161858
(mfabian, 07:08:55)
Meeting ended at 07:28:18 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* epico to add CJK fonts in google-noto-fonts
* all add there suggestion in http://piratepad.net/zt6yXxFcOb
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* epico
* epico to add CJK fonts in google-noto-fonts
* **UNASSIGNED**
* all add there suggestion in http://piratepad.net/zt6yXxFcOb
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* pravins (144)
* juhp (64)
* mfabian (31)
* tagoh_ (9)
* epico (7)
* paragan (5)
* zodbot (3)
* anish_ (3)
* shilpa (1)
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9 years, 5 months
Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2014-11-13)
by Kevin Fenzi
=============================================
#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2014-11-13)
=============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-13/irc-support-si...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* init process (nirik, 17:00:05)
* Week(s) in review (nirik, 17:02:04)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:08:54)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig (nirik,
17:11:26)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedbot (nirik, 17:15:25)
Meeting ended at 17:21:42 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* nirik (36)
* randomuser (19)
* Khaytsus (9)
* EvilBob (5)
* zodbot (3)
--
17:00:05 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2014-11-13)
17:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 13 17:00:05 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:05 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:05 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:27 <nirik> anyone around for a quick irc support sig meeting?
17:00:27 * Khaytsus
17:00:37 <Khaytsus> The agenda looked a little complicated
17:00:51 <nirik> yeah, might go over our hour. ;)
17:00:54 <nirik> or... well, not.
17:01:29 <EvilBob> Hi All
17:01:46 * randomuser drops in
17:02:04 <nirik> #topic Week(s) in review
17:02:21 <nirik> anything folks would like to bring up from previous weeks? common bugs or themes?
17:02:33 <nirik> everything has seemed pretty boringly normal to me of late...
17:03:35 <nirik> there were a few people struggling to install the catalyst driver, but aside from "you are in for a world of pain and hurt and don't do it" not sure what we can do for them.
17:04:01 <randomuser> there's a surprising lack of confusion with fedup
17:04:27 <nirik> yeah, a few folks asking about it around beta for f21... but...
17:05:20 <nirik> we haven't really even had someone get all mad at EvilBob lately. ;)
17:06:40 <nirik> I expect we will also start seeing more people jumping to f21 as we get closer to release...
17:07:31 * randomuser notes that Release Notes have been published and probably have answers to many questions about f21
17:07:41 <randomuser> and, y'know, if the answers not there, say somethign
17:08:27 <nirik> people read those? ;)
17:08:50 <nirik> but yeah, do point folks to docs...
17:08:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:08:56 <randomuser> let's not look at the logs for that - I'd hate to find out they don't :P
17:09:10 <nirik> anyone have any items for open floor? ideas? suggestions?
17:09:41 <randomuser> I have a meta-question
17:09:57 <nirik> ok, ask your question about questions?
17:09:59 <randomuser> the irc SIG: membership == ops?
17:10:17 <randomuser> the related FAS group I found suggested ops
17:10:31 <nirik> yeah, there's a wiki page somewhere... membership is anyone who shows up and helps... voting members are ops in any of the 4 channels:
17:10:46 <nirik> #fedora, #fedora-unregistered, #fedora-social, #fedora-ops
17:11:18 * randomuser reads the wiki page
17:11:26 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig
17:11:28 <nirik> yeah.
17:11:31 <Khaytsus> Just to clarify; that's botop, not chanop in those four, yes?
17:12:01 <randomuser> the same group does, say, fedbot aliases?
17:12:17 <nirik> Khaytsus: I don't guess it says... but either?
17:12:41 <Khaytsus> Just curiou, as I've never been chanop in -unreg or -social
17:12:46 <nirik> randomuser: well, aliases I can just add on the fly... if there was some behavior change for it bigger than that probibly should be discussed
17:12:56 <nirik> Khaytsus: well, any _one of_ those channels. ;)
17:13:00 <Khaytsus> heh
17:13:01 * randomuser nods
17:13:02 <nirik> or more
17:13:04 <Khaytsus> Gotcha.
17:13:40 <nirik> randomuser: what did you want to add?
17:13:58 <randomuser> just curious, really. I could throw out big ideas about a git repo that feeds aliases and an explanatory wiki page, but if the demand isn't there, meh
17:14:17 <nirik> like and irc knowledge base?
17:14:29 <nirik> we have talked about that in the past... but it never really went anywhere
17:14:31 <Khaytsus> Along those lines.. It'd be nice if fedorasolved was back online
17:14:41 <randomuser> well, a reference for folks to know what they can do in #fedora with the bot
17:14:59 <EvilBob> Khaytsus: You willing to pay for it and hosting?
17:15:08 <randomuser> i know that @f20eol or something similar gives an eol date, but only by observation
17:15:15 <Khaytsus> It's already there and running; just broken.
17:15:25 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedbot
17:15:30 <randomuser> EvilBob, can you provide accurate hosting requirements
17:15:42 <randomuser> expected traffic stats, etc?
17:15:43 <Khaytsus> I doubt he can, he's just being snarky.
17:16:20 <nirik> I'd be happy to host the contents here at my house, but I don't want to run... Zope? whatever it's running. ;)
17:16:31 <randomuser> nirik, ah, exactly that page :)
17:16:52 <randomuser> I've offered to scrape out the content and host it differently too :P
17:17:12 <EvilBob> Well considering it's my domain I don't feel I'm just being snarky.
17:18:23 <nirik> anyhow, perhaps that discussion should be outside this meeting?
17:18:32 <EvilBob> Yes it should
17:19:04 <EvilBob> Not that it is possible to have a discussion with Khaytsus IME
17:19:07 <randomuser> *nod* - the idea is out there, whoever owns it can take action or not
17:19:40 <nirik> alrighty. Anything else for open floor?
17:19:49 <nirik> if not, will close out in a minute or two
17:21:39 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
17:21:42 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 5 months
EMEA ambassadors meeting logs 2014-11-12
by Ankur Sinha
Hi everyone,
Links to the logs from the EMEA meeting we had today, followed by the
minutes in text are below. The next meeting will be in 2 weeks time.
> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-12/emea_ambassado...
> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-12/emea_ambassado...
> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-12/emea_ambassado...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Meeting summary
> ---------------
> * Roll Call (sesivany_, 21:00:18)
>
> * Announcements (sesivany_, 21:05:24)
> * Fedora 21 Beta was released last week:
> http://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-the-release-of-fedora-21-beta/
> (sesivany_, 21:06:20)
> * Flock 2015 will take place in Rochester, NY:
> http://fedoramagazine.org/flock-2015-rochester-institute-of-technology/
> (sesivany_, 21:07:20)
>
> * Requests (sesivany_, 21:10:59)
> * AGREED: We decided to use up to $1000 from the regional budget on
> EMEA FAD if we get over the FAD budget. (sesivany_, 21:15:38)
> * Fedora 21 media production (sesivany_, 21:16:24)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/426
> (sesivany_, 21:16:27)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/422
> (sesivany_, 21:17:24)
> * AGREED: We will produce 3000 single layer DVDs of Fedora
> Workstation. (sesivany_, 21:33:38)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/429
> (sesivany_, 21:37:30)
> * #432 - Extra expenses for OSOL Conference Szeged (sesivany_,
> 21:38:33)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/432
> (sesivany_, 21:38:43)
> * AGREED: The ticket #432 has been approved. (sesivany_, 21:43:19)
>
> * Ambassador's schedule (sesivany_, 21:44:33)
> * LINK:
> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-ambassadors-tasks.html
> (sesivany_, 21:44:41)
> * ACTION: sesivany to write a cal for release events (sesivany_,
> 21:45:42)
>
> * Events (sesivany_, 21:46:44)
> * LINK: https://vline.com/ What about this? (Levex, 21:58:20)
> * LINK: http://openmeetings.apache.org/ ? (FranciscoD, 21:58:45)
> * LINK: http://lynckia.com/licode/ (frafra, 21:59:09)
> * ACTION: sesivany to add a table for virtual attendees on the FAD
> wiki. (sesivany_, 22:02:40)
> * ACTION: heffer to add info about getting from airports to the venue
> of FAD. (sesivany_, 22:07:14)
>
> * Open Floor (sesivany_, 22:15:21)
> * LINK:
> https://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/fedora-usb-kiosk/#welcome_page
> (FranciscoD, 22:17:16)
>
> Meeting ended at 22:23:28 UTC.
> Action Items
> ------------
> * sesivany to write a cal for release events
> * sesivany to add a table for virtual attendees on the FAD wiki.
> * heffer to add info about getting from airports to the venue of FAD.
>
> Action Items, by person
> -----------------------
> * heffer
> * heffer to add info about getting from airports to the venue of FAD.
> * **UNASSIGNED**
> * sesivany to write a cal for release events
> * sesivany to add a table for virtual attendees on the FAD wiki.
>
--
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur (FranciscoD)
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha
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9 years, 5 months
Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2014-11-12 at 18UTC)
by Kevin Fenzi
===================================
#fedora-meeting: FESCo (2014-11-12)
===================================
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-12/fesco.2014-11-...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* init process (nirik, 18:00:03)
* #1365 A unique system-wide TMP directory for all programs and sane
ways to retrieve the default (nirik, 18:02:24)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1365 (nirik, 18:02:24)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161110#c4
(nirik, 18:06:18)
* AGREED: FESCo does not currently want to mandate $TMPDIR being
reliably consistent throughout an user session. If claws-mail
requires a consistent place to use, it should use a different
mecahnism. (+6,0,0) (nirik, 18:21:26)
* #1359 Automatic OpenH264 download by Firefox (nirik, 18:21:47)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359 (nirik, 18:21:48)
* AGREED: ask firefox maintainers to disable automatic download of
OpenH264 plugin (+6,0,1) (nirik, 18:32:04)
* nirik will draft a page (nirik, 18:35:28)
* AGREED: will keep ticket open a week for interested parties to
propose longer term solutions. (+6, 0, 0) (nirik, 18:48:21)
* next weeks chair (nirik, 18:48:33)
* t8m to chair next week. (nirik, 18:49:42)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:49:45)
Meeting ended at 18:52:35 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* nirik (84)
* mitr (50)
* jwb (43)
* t8m (32)
* kalev (28)
* dgilmore (19)
* drago01 (14)
* mattdm (12)
* thozza (10)
* zodbot (6)
* mclasen (4)
* pjones (2)
* mmaslano (0)
* sgallagh (0)
* stickster (0)
--
18:00:03 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCo (2014-11-12)
18:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 12 18:00:03 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:03 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
18:00:03 <nirik> #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh stickster t8m thozza
18:00:03 <nirik> #topic init process
18:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
18:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh stickster t8m thozza
18:00:10 <thozza> hi
18:00:13 <jwb> hi
18:00:14 <mitr> Hello
18:00:25 <kalev> hi
18:00:38 <nirik> morning everyone.
18:01:01 <mattdm> hello!
18:02:15 <nirik> ok, I guess lets dive in. A pretty short agenda today...
18:02:24 <nirik> #topic #1365 A unique system-wide TMP directory for all programs and sane ways to retrieve the default
18:02:24 <nirik> .fesco 1365
18:02:24 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1365
18:02:26 <zodbot> nirik: #1365 (A unique system-wide TMP directory for all programs and sane ways to retrieve the default) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1365
18:02:34 <nirik> this sort of stalled out after last week...
18:03:04 <nirik> firefox folks removed their hack...
18:03:31 <nirik> so they use /tmp again in rawhide.
18:04:14 <kalev> that sounds like a regression
18:04:35 <nirik> regression?
18:04:46 <kalev> downloading multi gigabyte files into /tmp would probably easily fill it up
18:04:48 <mattdm> well, that's going to fill up with big downloads
18:04:59 <nirik> well, only if people don't say where to download them too...
18:05:05 <dgilmore> hola
18:05:07 <t8m> hi, sorry for being late
18:05:15 <nirik> it only uses that until the save dialog not answered.
18:05:46 <nirik> so I guess somone could save an iso and not answer the dialog and fill up space.
18:05:47 <mitr> While I have questions around that, I’m not sure we should be micromanaging individual component’s behavior
18:05:49 <kalev> my understanding is that they should continue using /var/tmp for that purpose
18:06:12 <mitr> If we ended up researching Firefox and proposing Firefox changes today, that would get us no closer to resolving 1365
18:06:18 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161110#c4
18:06:30 * nirik is with mitr
18:06:31 <t8m> mitr, +1
18:06:38 <kalev> which they did previously, but the problem was the way they achieved it, by overriding the TMPDIR variable which incidentally then also override it in the env passed to other programs
18:06:48 <nirik> so do we have some distro wide policy or proposal here?
18:07:04 <mitr> Proposal: design a sane system-wide API with a single implementation.
18:07:09 <mitr> There, that’s going to help, isn’t it?
18:07:09 <t8m> kalev, they want to stop that and use /tmp from now
18:07:12 * mitr shuts up
18:07:23 <nirik> mitr: sure... but then the questions come. ;)
18:07:26 <t8m> mitr, heh
18:07:40 <t8m> mitr, is there actually a way tho get a sane API?
18:08:05 <mitr> t8m: All it would take is FESCo saying Thou Shalt Use $library and “I don’t like it” doesn’
18:08:09 <mitr> t count as a reason not to.
18:08:17 <mitr> Are we willing to do it and would we want to?
18:08:18 <jwb> wait, what?
18:08:35 <jwb> we have to write a library to have a system-wide tmpdir location?
18:08:38 <dgilmore> I really do not think we can mandate anything that will fix this
18:08:41 <drago01> mitr: well you could avoid that by adding it to libc
18:08:52 <mitr> t8m: Technically this is easy enough, but it would be a very noticeable change to FESCo’s typical role.
18:09:03 <jwb> drago01, no you can't.
18:09:07 <dgilmore> it would need to be something worked on by all upstreams and all other distros also
18:09:19 <t8m> mitr, I am afraid that this change of FESCo's role is not something that would pass
18:09:22 <drago01> jwb: so people complain about having to use libc?
18:09:25 <mitr> drago01: Having it in a library doesn’t yet imply usage.
18:09:35 <jwb> what mitr said
18:10:14 <pjones> mitr: surely that's mkstemp()/mkostemp() and we should mandate using it anyway for the obvious reasons?
18:10:45 <drago01> mitr: oh well misread your comment then ... I though you meant people would say I don't want to use $lib ... which wouldn't happen if $lib is libc but anyway ot
18:10:57 <mitr> jwb: Well, it’s either define a hard-coded convention for a path to use (in some way that promises the /tmp-on-tmpfs app-breaking redefinition will not reoccur), or define a common configuration mechanism to use to determine the path, something different than env variables because they don’t work so well.
18:11:05 <nirik> I think the ticket reporter is looking for something like a "you should use /tmp by default for tmp files and you should honor $TMPDIR to override that" ?
18:11:12 <jwb> or do nothing
18:11:17 <jwb> which is what i think we should do here
18:11:31 <mitr> Note that #1365 has an _underlying assumption_ that the path should be configurable, not hard-coded; I don’t think we have really discussed this. And there is yet one more underlying assumption that claws-mail is using $TMPDIR for its intended purpose, which I’
18:11:35 <mitr> m not entirely sure about.
18:12:04 <mitr> pjones: AFAICS mkstemp() doesn’
18:12:18 <t8m> nirik, unfortunately that is broken by the tmp on tmpfs
18:12:19 <mitr> t define the directory, and random names wouldn’t be usable for the claws-mail usage of IPC
18:12:31 <jwb> t8m, no it isn't
18:12:36 <t8m> yes, it is
18:12:38 <nirik> t8m: well, 'broken' isn't what I would say...
18:12:45 <nirik> really it means it's more nuanced...
18:12:47 <drago01> mitr: if its use is ipc it should use /run
18:12:48 <pjones> mitr: okay but they can be fixed at one place for the former case. for the latter, ....
18:12:58 <jwb> no, it isn't. you may have less space, but you still are bounded by however much space is available to /tmp
18:13:00 <t8m> tmp on tmpfs creates artificial limits on /tmp usage
18:13:11 <jwb> that's not "broken"
18:13:16 <t8m> that is broken
18:13:25 <mitr> Let’s forget about /tmp as a _solution_ and instead talk about _requirements_?
18:13:38 <jwb> t8m, we've now reached a pointless point in our conversation so we'll just stop.
18:13:42 <t8m> yes
18:13:49 <nirik> "you should use /tmp for tmpfiles you don't care about keeping accross reboots that are smaller than memory + swap, you should use /var/tmp for tmp files you don't care about keeping accorss reboots that are smaller than your /var/tmp, you should use $HOME/.local/tmp for files you want to keep accross reboots that are smaller than your homedir...etc. etc.
18:14:21 <nirik> ie, there is no answer to "what should tmp files always use all the time"
18:14:38 <mitr> nirik: This is actually a good start, separating the use cases.
18:14:44 <t8m> Proposal: Close the issue as Reject
18:14:58 <mitr> But then, how will a poor newbie programmer (coming from Windows or Android) ever find the convention; hence my talk about an API.
18:15:00 <nirik> right, but then everything gets more complex. ;) and there's likely more use cases.
18:15:17 <jwb> mitr, a poor newbie programmer is not going to be reading Fedora conventions to figure that out.
18:15:35 <t8m> Why do we want a bazillion of tmp directories for god's sake
18:15:41 <mitr> jwb: No, but they _may_ be using devhelp for the library they are already using to open files.
18:15:47 <mitr> t8m: yes, let’; the IPC use case is clearly not the primary use of $TMPDIR, so
18:16:12 <jwb> i'm still of the opinion that we should do nothing here
18:16:18 <kalev> not sure we need to pass a guideline covering the general case
18:16:21 <thozza> I think we can at least agree on that redefining environment variable is not a good approach, right?
18:16:25 <t8m> There should be some directory for IPC and some directory for rest of the TMP usages
18:16:25 <mitr> t8m: +1. claws-mail can store the fixed-path IPC-related files in a hard-coded path (whether /tmp or other is immaterial).
18:16:28 <drago01> well even if fesco decides on something it wont make all developers out there go change their apps
18:16:33 <drago01> so the point is... ?
18:16:45 <mitr> thozza: Yet that is the existing mechanism.
18:16:52 <nirik> right, it would need someone driving it to check and fix apps.
18:17:02 <nirik> and upstream the changes.
18:17:12 <jwb> drago01, exactly
18:17:15 <mitr> jwb: We _have_ a deficiency in the platform, but, realistically, yeah, we are not fixing it here.
18:17:35 <thozza> mitr: ok, so we have to come up with something else as an alternative.... I get it now
18:17:54 <kalev> can we just say something like "FESCo asks Firefox to avoid overriding TMPDIR and to leave it as user configuration" and just close the issue?
18:18:03 <kalev> and that's already implemented too
18:18:08 <mitr> kalev: Well that is not _quite_ the question asked.
18:18:29 <t8m> kalev, as it's already implemented it would be superficial to ask for that
18:18:47 <kalev> even if someone asks us to solve the world hunger, that doesn't mean we can do that
18:18:59 <dgilmore> mitr: the answer to the question asked needs to go somewhere higher than FESCo
18:19:08 <jwb> dgilmore, uh, what?
18:19:09 <kalev> we can possibly pass a general guideline that says where which kind of temporary files could be saved
18:19:10 <jwb> no
18:19:12 <jwb> come on
18:19:14 <t8m> Yes, as we will not come to solution for a single TMP directory we should reject the ticket
18:19:14 <dgilmore> it needs to involve all upstreams and distros
18:19:15 <mitr> Proposal: FESCo does not currently want to mandate $TMPDIR being reliably consistent throughout an user session. If claws-mail requires a consistent place to use, it should use a different mecahnism.
18:19:30 <t8m> mitr, +1
18:19:34 <mattdm> mitr: +1
18:19:38 <jwb> mitr, +1
18:19:43 <dgilmore> mitr: +1
18:19:56 <mitr> dgilmore: No, this _is_ something we could actually solve within Fedora. However, on the list of priorities I think it is too low (without an interested leader at least).
18:20:04 <kalev> mitr: +1
18:20:18 <thozza> mitr: +1
18:20:53 <nirik> sorry, someone at the door here...
18:20:56 <dgilmore> mitr: perhaps. it would take someone interested and commited regardless, and I agree that person does not seem to exist
18:21:26 <nirik> #agreed FESCo does not currently want to mandate $TMPDIR being reliably consistent throughout an user session. If claws-mail requires a consistent place to use, it should use a different mecahnism. (+6,0,0)
18:21:47 <nirik> #topic #1359 Automatic OpenH264 download by Firefox
18:21:48 <nirik> .fesco 1359
18:21:48 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359
18:21:50 <zodbot> nirik: #1359 (Automatic OpenH264 download by Firefox) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359
18:21:58 * nirik added his proposal in the ticket.
18:23:16 <nirik> comments? discussion? or should we just vote? :)
18:23:42 <jwb> i'm concerned the "accepted upstream" part won't happen
18:23:45 <t8m> Hmmm this is even better example of FESCo's inability to mandate anything :(
18:23:53 <t8m> jwb, +1
18:23:54 <mitr> nirik: I think that (disabling auto-download and asking users to do manual work) would be reasonable for WebRTC only; but this will return the moment Firefox will start using OpenH264 for <video>. Should we today have at least a rough consensus what we will do then?
18:24:15 <jwb> mozilla already begrudgingly conceeded to downloading this. i don't think they want to reopen the issue
18:24:26 <nirik> I think we can take the approach gentoo is.
18:24:36 <t8m> nirik, and that is?
18:24:37 <jwb> which is what?
18:24:38 <nirik> ie, build the thing ourselves as a package and have it use that one
18:24:43 <drago01> mitr: using it for <video> doesn't make sense if you cannot play the audio
18:24:52 <kalev> I know that cschaller has been working with varios parties to solve this issue in some way
18:24:54 <nirik> unless it's unacceptable for fedora.
18:24:58 <kalev> but I don't know the details
18:25:00 * nirik doesn't know off hand
18:25:10 <t8m> nirik, is "the thing" acceptable for fedora?
18:25:11 <jwb> drago01, the audio is opus for webrtc
18:25:16 <jwb> drago01, so audio is fine
18:25:18 <nirik> t8m: I don't know.
18:25:22 <nirik> it would need to pass legal
18:25:32 <t8m> I think there is some problem with the patent license but IANAL
18:25:34 <drago01> jwb: I was replying to mitr "will return the moment Firefox will start using OpenH264 for <video>. "
18:25:37 <mitr> nirik: Mozilla itself isn’t building it for licensing reasons AFAIK.
18:25:39 <drago01> jwb: which is not limited to opus
18:25:43 <jwb> ah
18:25:55 <jwb> mitr, that was my understanding as well
18:26:07 * nirik didn't dive that deeply into it this time...
18:26:14 <dgilmore> nirik: that afaik means we lose the patent rights
18:26:20 <drago01> nirik: afaik if you build it it will be the same as any other open source h264 coded
18:26:21 <drago01> c
18:26:26 <drago01> i.e no patent license
18:26:27 <nirik> ok.
18:26:40 <dgilmore> nirik: afaik you hav eto uses cisco's binary to get the patent grant
18:26:56 <jwb> i like nirik's proposal of the dialog, except i don't think it should be required to be upstream
18:26:58 <nirik> can we at least agree now the autodownload must stop?
18:27:02 <t8m> jwb, +1
18:27:08 <t8m> nirik, +1
18:27:13 <nirik> I like the idea too, but someone has to write it.
18:27:17 * nirik is not it.
18:27:46 <dgilmore> jwb and nirik +1
18:27:53 <t8m> In this case I think that this really really should be the Firefox maintainers in Fedora
18:27:57 <mattdm> more +1
18:28:02 <mitr> nirik: +1 must stop.
18:28:09 <thozza> nirik: +1
18:28:14 <kalev> I'm concerned we're discussing with the relevant parties present
18:28:21 <kalev> *without
18:28:23 <mitr> And, actually, would even opt-in autodownload be consistent with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Third_Party_Repository_Policy ?
18:28:42 <t8m> mitr, I think we could give exception for that
18:28:44 <mattdm> mitr: We would have to make an explict exception I think
18:28:52 <nirik> from the bug:
18:28:56 <nirik> "Any of those changes need extra work, it means to add special patches to GUI (create new dialog boxes and so) and should be reviewed by mozilla developers.
18:28:56 <nirik> We can work with upstream on it but it's a long term goal. Any patches here are welcome."
18:29:03 <mitr> t8m, mattdm: where “we” is actually “the board or its successor”?
18:29:16 <t8m> mitr, perhaps
18:29:20 <mattdm> mitr: sure
18:29:58 * nirik isn't sure this is a 'repository' and that policy applies, but ok.
18:30:17 <mattdm> yeah it certainly isn't the case that that policy was written for
18:30:30 <nirik> anyhow to collect clear votes: proposal: ask firefox maintainers to disable automatic download now.
18:30:34 <nirik> +1
18:30:40 <mitr> +1
18:30:41 <dgilmore> +1
18:30:52 <thozza> +1
18:30:55 <kalev> +1
18:30:58 <t8m> +1
18:31:42 <mattdm> 0 -- I don't see anything else we can do, but hope that's only very very temporary
18:32:04 <nirik> #agreed ask firefox maintainers to disable automatic download of OpenH264 plugin (+6,0,1)
18:32:13 <kalev> yes, what mattdm said -- I hope we can solve this in a way that makes the downloads possible
18:32:21 <nirik> ok, what do folks think of the idea of a manual install page for now?
18:32:32 * nirik agrees.
18:33:03 <mattdm> nirik better than nothing
18:33:06 <thozza> I think there should be at least some HOWTO until this is solved properly
18:33:25 <nirik> like the flash one. which I guess has moved to ask... although I am still not sure why
18:33:46 <jwb> it should have been restored in the wiki...
18:33:52 <jwb> if it hasn't been, that's a problem
18:34:04 <dgilmore> nirik: yep.
18:34:10 <nirik> there was some back and forth between spot and mether over it... but I thought they decided it was ok as it is now...
18:34:15 <mitr> nirik: Sure.
18:34:47 <t8m> nirik, manual install page is better than nothing
18:34:49 <nirik> I guess I can write up such a page... it should be simple...read agreement, download file, place in homedir/mozilla/blah
18:35:28 <nirik> #info nirik will draft a page
18:35:39 <nirik> so, what else do we want to do here? anything else?
18:36:11 <mclasen> it will just become another bullet point in fedy...
18:36:17 <dgilmore> we could ask the firefox maintainers to work on a download option like there is for flash
18:36:45 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah, they say that could be a "long term goal"
18:36:52 <nirik> I have no idea what timeframe that is.
18:36:57 <mitr> _We_ should, I think, first determine whether the opt-in dialog, if written, would be permissible.
18:37:27 <mitr> (where “determine” is probably “ask the board/council”, or at least that’s what I have personally promised in the previous elections)
18:38:02 <nirik> ok. I agree it would be good to know that before effort was made to make it exist.
18:38:12 <jwb> if firefox added the dialog themselves, i don't think we'd go asking the board/council if it was permissible
18:38:20 <jwb> so i don't see a reason to ask them if we write it either.
18:38:46 <mitr> Arguably if the current Flash plugin prompt is permissible this should be equally permissible, true.
18:39:02 <mitr> jwb: Well Firefox did add the auto-download and we are taking it out
18:39:46 <jwb> sure. that's no the same thing.
18:39:50 <jwb> s/no/not
18:40:04 <mitr> True
18:40:17 <nirik> mitr: so, I guess if you want to bring it up there, do? IMHO I would think it would be ok as long as the user is deciding, but thats just me.
18:40:42 <dgilmore> nirik: afreed
18:40:44 <jwb> i'm skeptical anyone is actually going to write this code
18:40:47 <dgilmore> agreed
18:40:59 <nirik> hard to say...
18:41:10 <kalev> I would say we need to have cschaller and firefox maintainers here in the meeting to move forward with this
18:41:11 * mattdm wonders what debian is doing
18:41:12 <mitr> nirik: I don’t particularly want to block the effort, no.
18:41:17 <jwb> here's an easy thing to answer: is anyone on FESCo committing to write the dialog code?
18:41:24 <nirik> mattdm: was just wondering that myself. ;)
18:41:30 <nirik> jwb: I am not. ;)
18:42:04 * nirik also wonders if this affects iceweasel?
18:42:08 <jwb> mattdm, they have icecat/weasel/whatever and can add whatever code they want
18:42:25 <kalev> proposal: ask cschaller and firefox maintainers to join next week's FESCo meeting and continue the discussion then
18:42:44 <t8m> kalev, I can be +1 to that
18:43:03 <mitr> kalev: What question would we be discussing precisely?
18:43:08 <nirik> kalev: not sure what will come of that? someone doing the dialog work?
18:43:27 <kalev> first question would be which general direction we should head to
18:43:36 <jwb> that was already decided
18:43:39 <kalev> should we look if legal is OK with autodownloads?
18:43:46 <mitr> 1) can we write the opt-in code?
18:43:49 <mitr> 2) do we want the opt-in code?
18:43:51 <mitr> 3) is the opt-in code permissible?
18:43:52 <kalev> would firefox people be interested in implemented a dialog that asks the user?
18:43:53 <mitr> 4) all of the above with s/opt-in/automatic/
18:43:55 <kalev> etc
18:43:59 <mattdm> kalev spot at least gave his personal opinion that the diagog was acceptable
18:44:03 <mattdm> (see ticket)
18:44:13 <mitr> kalev: Would a “no” answer change anthing?
18:44:48 <thozza> mitr: I guess we would ended up with disabled downloads and wiki ;)
18:44:53 <nirik> kalev: from the bug they said they were, as long as it was upstreamable.
18:44:57 <kalev> I don't know -- but I do know that cschaller has been working with varios parties to solve this issue and I don't want to descide on how to proceed without hearing his opinions
18:45:18 <jwb> kalev, fesco already decided to not do the autodownload. it's already passed.
18:45:30 <kalev> yes, but that's just a temporary measure
18:45:39 <kalev> what to do next requires some discussion
18:45:45 <jwb> ah, ok
18:45:47 <nirik> I guess I'm fine with leaving the ticket for a week for more input from cschaller or anyone...
18:46:11 <thozza> kalev: but not doing the download automatically is definitive
18:46:17 <jwb> frankly, i'm tired of all of this. i'd rather see someone pay for a license for the various codecs and be done with it.
18:46:17 <mitr> kalev: If there is any conversation to be had, I think it should be between Firefox/cschaller and the Board/Council; FESCo is bound by the Board decisions and the interested of someone to write the code, and beyond that I don’t think we are adding more value beyond the decision already made.
18:47:04 <mclasen> jwb: cisco payed...
18:47:08 <nirik> proposal: keep ticket open for another week, ask any interested parties to propose longer term solutions, revisit next meeting.
18:47:12 <mitr> nirik: *shrug* Yeah, keeping the ticket open for one more week is cheap enough. I don’t see the benefit but perhaps something will happen.
18:47:14 <jwb> mclasen, for one of them :)
18:47:18 <mitr> nirik: +1
18:47:20 <t8m> nirik, +1
18:47:20 <mclasen> apparently, not good enough for us :-(
18:47:25 <kalev> niri
9 years, 5 months
2014-11-12 @ 1600 UTC ** Blocker Review Meeting Minutes
by Mike Ruckman
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#fedora-blocker-review: F21-blocker-review
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Meeting started by roshi at 16:03:53 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2014-11-12/f21-blo...
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (roshi, 16:03:53)
* (1161779) System fails to boot with rootfs on iSCSI - missing kernel
parameters (roshi, 16:07:30)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161779 (roshi,
16:07:33)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (roshi, 16:07:36)
* AGREED: - 1161779 - AcceptedBlocker - This is a clear violation of
the Final criteria: "The installer must be able to detect (if
possible) and install to supported network-attached storage
devices." (roshi, 16:14:04)
* (1162215) LV resize does not check filesystem minimum size (roshi,
16:14:09)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162215 (roshi,
16:14:09)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (roshi, 16:14:10)
* AGREED: - 11662215 - AcceptedBlocker - This bug is a clear violation
of the Final criterion: "Any installer mechanism for resizing
storage volumes must correctly attempt the requested operation."
(roshi, 16:25:09)
* (1158442) Gnome-initial-setup window doesn't fit to visible with small
resolution (roshi, 16:25:59)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1158442 (roshi,
16:26:02)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, MODIFIED (roshi, 16:26:05)
* AGREED: - 1158442 - Punt - We're going to wait to decide on this
pending discussion and testing of an existing fix. (roshi,
16:37:26)
* (986731) Dual boot of uefi Windows 7 and Fedora 19 fails to boot
Windows (roshi, 16:37:41)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986731 (roshi,
16:37:45)
* Proposed Blocker, grub2, NEW (roshi, 16:37:47)
* AGREED: - 986731 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't seem to be
reproducible on F21. If it is, please update the bug and reproduce.
(roshi, 16:42:24)
* (1103496) Installer interface sometimes freezes for a while (but
install continues, and screen eventually unfreezes) (roshi, 16:42:27)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1103496 (roshi,
16:42:30)
* Proposed Blocker, gtk3, NEW (roshi, 16:42:33)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Final_Release_Criteria#Data_corr...
(kparal, 16:58:43)
* AGREED: - 1103496 - AcceptedBlocker - This is a conditional
violation of the Final Data Corruption criterion since it creates
the opportunity of data loss to the user (by making them think the
install has hung and the user restarts the machine mid-install).
(roshi, 17:02:22)
* (1144613) [abrt] gnome-tweak-tool: gtk_tree_row_ref_deleted():
python2.7 killed by SIGSEGV (roshi, 17:02:37)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1144613 (roshi,
17:02:40)
* Proposed Blocker, gtk3, NEW (roshi, 17:02:43)
* AGREED: - 1144613 - RejectedBlocker - The GNOME tweak tool is not a
default application for the Workstation product, so this is not
considered a blocker. (roshi, 17:10:09)
* (1147670) keyboard layout chooser switches letters while typing
(roshi, 17:10:18)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147670 (roshi,
17:10:21)
* Proposed Blocker, gtk3, NEW (roshi, 17:10:24)
* AGREED: - 1147670 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException - This
bug is difficult to reproduce and it seems to be very
system-dependant. Accepting as an FE because if you do hit it, it
would be pretty obnoxious. Repropose if more solid reproduction
steps can be found or there is a concrete system on which it is
quite difficult to perform Fedora installation. (roshi, 17:43:49)
* (1158968) AttributeError: 'DMRaidArrayDevice' object has no attribute
'formatClass' (roshi, 17:44:00)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1158968 (roshi,
17:44:03)
* Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, MODIFIED (roshi, 17:44:05)
* AGREED: - 1158968 - AcceptedBlocker - This bug is a violation of the
Beta Criterion: "The installer must be able to detect and install to
hardware or firmware RAID storage devices." (roshi, 17:56:13)
* (1130794) Missing high contrast icon (roshi, 17:56:21)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1130794 (roshi,
17:56:21)
* Proposed Blocker, setroubleshoot, NEW (roshi, 17:56:22)
* AGREED: - 1130794 - AcceptedBlocker - This is a pretty clear
violation of the criterion: "All applications installed by default
in Fedora Workstation must comply with each MUST and MUST NOT
guideline in the Applications and Launchers policy.." (roshi,
18:01:14)
* (1162537) No CJK fonts installed on MATE Live (roshi, 18:01:19)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162537 (roshi,
18:01:21)
* Proposed Blocker, spin-kickstarts, NEW (roshi, 18:01:24)
* AGREED: - 1162537 - RejectedBlocker - MATE is not a release blocking
desktop environment. (roshi, 18:06:53)
* (1162068) High Xorg cpu usage during F21 beta install prevents
installation (roshi, 18:06:56)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162068 (roshi,
18:06:59)
* Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11, NEW (roshi, 18:07:01)
* AGREED: - 1162068 - Punt - We'd like to have more information before
deciding on this bug. Could you provide the following information so
we can try to reproduce? CPU, RAM, graphics stack, baremetal or VM?
Thanks. (roshi, 18:14:42)
* Open Floor (roshi, 18:18:28)
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