Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2014-12-17 at 18UTC)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-12-17)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-17/fesco.2014-12-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 18:00:06)
* ticket #1349 Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and beyond) (nirik,
18:02:22)
* AGREED: keep ticket open for early jan meeting. (+6,0,0) (nirik,
18:14:29)
* ticket #1370 requesting exception for linking include-what-you-use
with llvm-static (nirik, 18:15:10)
* AGREED: static linking approved (+6,0,0) (nirik, 18:19:07)
* ticket #1372 "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall
(nirik, 18:19:33)
* AGREED: defer to january meeting (+5,0,0) (nirik, 18:29:15)
* ticket #1373 F22 System Wide Change: Perl 5.20 -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/perl5.20 (nirik, 18:29:48)
* AGREED: Change approved (+7,0,0) (nirik, 18:33:00)
* ticket #1374 F22 Self Contained Changes (nirik, 18:33:08)
* AGREED: preupgrade-assistant change approved (+5,0,0) Bind change
will be moved to system wide (nirik, 18:48:35)
* AGREED: bind system wide change approved (+5,0,0) (nirik, 18:56:13)
* ticket #1375 F22 System Wide Change: Ruby on Rails 4.2 -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_on_Rails_4.2 (nirik,
18:56:19)
* AGREED: Change is approved (+6,0,0) (nirik, 18:58:45)
* ticket #1376 F22 System Wide Change: UEFI Secure Boot Blacklist
Updates -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UEFISecureBootBlacklistUpdates
(nirik, 18:58:53)
* AGREED: Change is approved (+6,0,0) (nirik, 19:00:40)
* next meeting chair (nirik, 19:00:47)
* ACTION: sgallagh to chair jan 7th meeting (nirik, 19:03:13)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:03:17)
Meeting ended at 19:06:19 UTC.
Action Items
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* sgallagh to chair jan 7th meeting
Action Items, by person
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* sgallagh
* sgallagh to chair jan 7th meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (106)
* sgallagh (51)
* thozza (37)
* dgilmore (31)
* jwb (26)
* mattdm (25)
* jreznik (18)
* zodbot (14)
* kalev (10)
* pjones (6)
* jzb (3)
* kushal (2)
* mcatanzaro (2)
* randomuser (2)
* Mohamed_Fawzy (1)
* mmaslano (0)
* mitr (0)
* stickster (0)
* t8m (0)
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18:00:06 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2014-12-17)
18:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 17 18:00:06 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:00:06 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
18:00:06 <nirik> #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh stickster t8m thozza
18:00:06 <nirik> #topic init process
18:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
18:00:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh stickster t8m thozza
18:00:19 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
18:00:19 <nirik> who all is around today?
18:00:20 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh(a)redhat.com>
18:00:28 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
18:00:29 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <kushaldas(a)gmail.com>
18:00:38 <dgilmore> hey
18:00:45 <jwb> hello
18:01:11 <thozza> hi all
18:01:38 <mattdm> hi!
18:01:52 <nirik> looks like we do in fact have quorum today. ;)
18:01:54 <kalev> hi all
18:01:59 <thozza> I'll have to leave in an hour
18:02:18 <thozza> but I think we can make it till then
18:02:19 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in then....
18:02:22 <nirik> #topic ticket #1349 Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and beyond)
18:02:22 <nirik> .fesco 1349
18:02:24 <zodbot> nirik: #1349 (Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and beyond)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1349
18:02:30 <nirik> any further thoughts or actions on this?
18:02:47 <mattdm> Phoronix tells me that there's a draft schedule in place :)
18:03:17 <nirik> yeah, we decided that 2 weeks ago...
18:03:31 <nirik> roughly may release and a deadline for changes I guess.
18:03:33 <jreznik> I don't think if there's more
18:03:54 <jreznik> at least not now unless we decide to change deadlines/freezes somehow
18:04:00 <kushal> nirik, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule?rd=Releases/22 this one?
18:04:02 <jreznik> changes are already in progress
18:04:10 <mattdm> kushal: yeah
18:04:21 <nirik> right
18:04:57 <sgallagh> jreznik: Since it worked well for F21 Final, could we try to codify a two-week freeze for every milestone?
18:05:57 <dgilmore> sgallagh: I do not think it really worked well for f21 final
18:05:57 <nirik> sgallagh: you mean 3 week
18:06:06 <nirik> ?
18:06:24 <sgallagh> dgilmore: We didn't have to slip and we had more time between QA catching bugs and Go/No-Go.
18:06:28 <jreznik> sgallagh: I don't think it was that difference, the real difference was earlier testing/TCs
18:06:33 <sgallagh> I got the impression it was generally well received
18:06:46 <nirik> yeah, diving right into tc's helped I think.
18:06:57 <sgallagh> jreznik: Right, but without a freeze, earlier testing isn't always going to be useful
18:07:03 <jwb> sgallagh, i think it was received well by QA
18:07:12 <nirik> if in f22 we can get to the point of basically full composes nightly, that might help out.
18:07:13 <jwb> i'm not sure anyone else commented either way
18:07:17 <dgilmore> sgallagh: i do not think that was because of the extra week of freeze, and we still came very close to slipping and did not get out of QA having to do hero work
18:07:32 <dgilmore> sgallagh: i am not saying its a bad thing, just that it really did not work well
18:07:38 <jreznik> sgallagh: post beta, there are usually not many changes... and we try to limit freezes to minimum but ask folks to be responsible
18:08:02 <sgallagh> jreznik: "post beta, there are usually not many changes" would be nice if it was true...
18:08:23 <dgilmore> there was way too much invasive change post beta in f21
18:08:40 <nirik> biggest win might be doing full anaconda testing pre-alpha/beta so we identify blockers there and they have time to fix up things...
18:08:55 <dgilmore> I am not opposed to having the extra week of freeze
18:09:13 <dgilmore> nirik: right
18:09:23 <dgilmore> more complete and earlier testing
18:09:27 <sgallagh> nirik: Absolutely, and that's been agreed between the anaconda and QA folks as of last week
18:09:32 <nirik> yep.
18:09:45 <jreznik> sgallagh: but changes that would go in even with freeze or without as it was considered "as the must"
18:09:48 <sgallagh> Turns out that there was an old misunderstanding that was the reason some tests didn't happen until Beta or Final freeze
18:09:49 <nirik> so, I don't think another week of freeze will help. :)
18:10:05 <jreznik> nirik: me neither
18:10:09 <dgilmore> me either
18:10:13 <sgallagh> ok
18:10:41 <sgallagh> If we can *actually* get earlier testing and contributors to respect the meaning of the phases, I'm all for it.
18:10:59 <sgallagh> (And yes, I realize I am personally guilty of post-Beta changes for the branding stuff)
18:11:13 <nirik> just eariler anaconda testing/fixes and having nightly full composes I think will be a big win over 21.
18:11:24 <jreznik> sgallagh: we have pretty early testing but we can't force qa to death by constant testing
18:11:26 <nirik> well, and basically knowing what we are making which we didn't really starting in on f21.
18:11:37 <dgilmore> sgallagh: you were by far the biggest offender in f21
18:11:48 <jreznik> btw. early freeze means huge untested zero day updates...
18:12:36 <nirik> anyhow, proposal: keep ticket open to revisit in early jan meeting, move on for now.
18:12:43 <sgallagh> Fine
18:13:13 <dgilmore> nirik: +1
18:13:25 <jwb> nirik, sure
18:13:49 <thozza> nirik: +1
18:14:04 <kalev> +1
18:14:29 <nirik> #agreed keep ticket open for early jan meeting. (+6,0,0)
18:15:10 <nirik> #topic ticket #1370 requesting exception for linking include-what-you-use with llvm-static
18:15:11 <nirik> .fesco 1370
18:15:12 <zodbot> nirik: #1370 (requesting exception for linking include-what-you-use with llvm-static) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1370
18:15:36 <kalev> might make sense to redirect this to FPC
18:15:44 <nirik> we already did that.
18:15:45 <thozza> kalev: we already did
18:15:54 <nirik> but the issue is that this is not a bundling request
18:15:59 <nirik> it's a static linking request
18:16:07 <nirik> which currently fesco is supposed to approve.
18:16:17 <jwb> and i still think is fine
18:16:45 <nirik> so, we could just approve it, or we could decide fpc needs to approve these moving forward or both.
18:16:59 <kalev> not sure fesco can do much here besides approve it, we don't really have anyone working on llvm
18:17:05 <mattdm> does FPC _want_ to approve these?
18:17:15 <mattdm> or disapprove them, whichever?
18:17:17 <jwb> let's just approve it and revisit the FPC part in january
18:17:20 <nirik> mattdm: they didn't say so either way.
18:17:26 <nirik> +1 approve
18:17:37 <kalev> +1 approve
18:17:58 <thozza> +1 approve
18:18:01 <dgilmore> +1 approve
18:18:59 <mattdm> +1 approve, then
18:19:07 <nirik> #agreed static linking approved (+6,0,0)
18:19:33 <nirik> #topic ticket #1372 "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall
18:19:34 <nirik> .fesco 1372
18:19:35 <zodbot> nirik: #1372 ("Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1372
18:19:43 <nirik> so, several stakeholders are not going to be here today.
18:19:48 <nirik> proposal: defer to january
18:19:52 <jwb> +1
18:19:54 <thozza> nirik: +1
18:19:55 <kalev> +1
18:20:01 <dgilmore> +1
18:20:03 <mattdm> I'm okay with defering but I wanted to note something....
18:20:08 <kalev> although I'd like to mention something too
18:20:13 <mattdm> The request strongly implies that something nefarious is going on
18:20:15 <nirik> sure.
18:20:25 <thozza> mattdm: I think it would be best to note in the ticket for everyone
18:20:44 <mattdm> The previous FESCo decision was to ask the WG to come up with a resolution based on the contingency plan.
18:20:47 <mattdm> That's exactly what happened.
18:21:07 <mattdm> And even for people who missed it, that's easy to see with a little research.
18:21:10 <nirik> FWIW, my opion is: I don't feel any need to override the excellent workstation working group here, nor do a feel it's a particuarly concerning security issue.
18:21:16 <kalev> I'd suggest that this falls strictly in the Workstation WG territory and it might make sense to pass this ticket on to them
18:21:30 <kalev> what nirik said :)
18:21:33 <mattdm> So I'm disappointed and frustrated by the tone.
18:22:11 <Mohamed_Fawzy> hi all am I late to the meeting
18:22:12 <nirik> That said, I think they are in their rights to ask us to override, we are just as much able to tell them that their argument is uncompelling and the answer is no.
18:22:32 <jwb> yes
18:22:33 <mattdm> nirik: yes, agreed. we can certainly revisit the decision and anyone can request that we do so.
18:22:37 <nirik> anyhow, do we want to defer here? or decide something?
18:23:04 <sgallagh> Why not see if a decision would pass?
18:23:28 <jwb> sgallagh, uh... a decision on what
18:23:42 <jwb> because if it's anything other than "do nothing/defer to WG" then we don't have the stakeholders here
18:23:43 <nirik> well, there may be people who would have input on a decision that are not here...
18:23:50 <mcatanzaro> sgallagh: Because twoerner is not here, and he should probably have a chance to speak if the decision is to reaffirm the WG's decision.
18:23:52 <sgallagh> Proposal: FESCo trusts the Workstation WG (and all other WGs) to properly evaluate the firewall security concerns for their product. Further discussion on this topic should happen with the Workstation WG.
18:24:39 <sgallagh> (FWIW, I intend to involve myself in that discussion. I've been talking with the stakeholders privately for the last week.)
18:24:43 * nirik thinks that might be too generic.
18:24:44 <jwb> hm
18:24:52 <dgilmore> I think we should stick with defering until we have the stakeholders
18:24:58 <randomuser> s/evaluate/work with the community to evaluate/ . Just because there's a perceived communication problem.
18:25:01 <mcatanzaro> But he could equally well participate in the WG discussion, so I guess it doesn't matter much.
18:25:02 <dgilmore> otherwise we will be dealing with it again later anyway
18:25:14 <sgallagh> randomuser: That's a reasonable adjustment to the statement, sure.
18:25:33 <jwb> dgilmore, i'm not sure that's a foregone conclusion?
18:26:17 <dgilmore> jwb: never a guarantee but i strongly suspect its true
18:26:35 <nirik> I think defer for at leask twoerner would be good.
18:26:40 <nirik> least
18:26:45 <jwb> i fail to see how. we defer to the WG, people still aren't happy, the reopen to FESCo? that's a broken process loop
18:27:15 <mattdm> "defer to WG with prejudice"?
18:27:30 <jwb> wth does that even mena
18:27:32 <jwb> mean
18:27:50 <sgallagh> jwb: I think it means "FESCo would refuse to entertain the subject again"
18:28:15 <jwb> then say that because "with prejudice" is unnecessarily obfuscated
18:28:24 <nirik> anyhow, I think we had 5 votes to defer already? or does anyone want to change?
18:29:01 <thozza> I don't
18:29:15 <nirik> #agreed defer to january meeting (+5,0,0)
18:29:38 <nirik> ok, next up are some changes...
18:29:48 <nirik> #topic ticket #1373 F22 System Wide Change: Perl 5.20 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/perl5.20
18:29:48 <nirik> .fesco 1373
18:29:49 <zodbot> nirik: #1373 (F22 System Wide Change: Perl 5.20 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/perl5.20) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1373
18:29:51 <nirik> +1 here
18:30:08 <dgilmore> +1
18:30:17 <nirik> new fedora, new perl. ;)
18:30:50 <thozza> +1
18:31:02 <sgallagh> +1 rubber stamp
18:31:37 <sgallagh> (Actually, isn't it too early for this vote, technically? It hasn't been on the list for a week)
18:31:51 <kalev> +1
18:31:54 <mattdm> +1 stamp
18:32:06 <nirik> #agreed Change approved (+6,0,0)
18:32:11 <nirik> sgallagh: it's 6 days, but meh
18:32:17 <jwb> i didn't vote
18:32:22 <nirik> oops.
18:32:26 <jwb> but +1
18:32:28 <jwb> ;)
18:32:29 * nirik checks his glasses. ;)
18:32:39 <sgallagh> jwb: I'd have been more amused to see a -1 there :)
18:32:49 <nirik> #undo
18:32:49 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by nirik at 18:32:06 : Change approved (+6,0,0)
18:33:00 <nirik> #agreed Change approved (+7,0,0)
18:33:08 <nirik> #topic ticket #1374 F22 Self Contained Changes
18:33:08 <nirik> .fesco 1374
18:33:09 <zodbot> nirik: #1374 (F22 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1374
18:33:27 <nirik> +1 to these
18:33:35 <sgallagh> BIND should be a system-wide change
18:33:43 <jwb> +1 though i think i need to follow up with pjones on the EFI one
18:33:49 <pjones> Oh?
18:33:49 <sgallagh> Since it's directly relevant to the now-release-blocking Domain Controller feature of Fedora Server
18:33:49 <jreznik> sgallagh: I created tickets for changes with less than one week but no complaints so far to spread it a bit over time/fesco meetings... I'm aware of it... libinput is still waiting because of discussion ongoing
18:33:50 <thozza> sgallagh: why?
18:34:20 <sgallagh> jreznik: I was being pedantic. Ignore that.
18:34:22 <jwb> pjones, yeah, we can follow up offline
18:34:25 <pjones> okay.
18:34:42 <dgilmore> +1 to the two changes in the Self contained list
18:34:44 <thozza> sgallagh: do you have some link?
18:34:53 <sgallagh> thozza: For what?
18:35:03 <thozza> for the server feature
18:35:36 <thozza> with some additional info. I would like to see how this affects the feature
18:35:51 <sgallagh> thozza: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_21_Final_Release_Crite...
18:36:05 * dgilmore wonders what he is missing here
18:36:25 <sgallagh> thozza: BIND 9 isn't a self-contained feature because other major features of Fedora depends on it
18:36:29 <dgilmore> since there is only preupgrade and bind in the self contanined changes that I see
18:36:33 <sgallagh> Therefore, it should be tracked as a system-wide feature
18:36:58 <nirik> sgallagh: so anything shipped in any product becomes system-wide?
18:37:00 <dgilmore> sgallagh: then it probably should be merged into the feature depending on it
18:37:28 <thozza> btw I talked with the owner of the Preupgrade assistant feature and they might need some additional packaging guidelines sections for packaging the contents for the assistant per package
18:37:32 <jreznik> sgallagh: in such case, talk to change owner and join the change as co-owner -> it can stay self contained
18:37:32 <sgallagh> nirik: I didn't say that, but it's a release-blocking feature of a product. One that very heavily depends on this working.
18:37:47 <mattdm> do we need a third category between self-contained and system-wide, for things that block product deliverables?
18:37:48 <sgallagh> I think it's a judgement call, but I would fall on the side of treating it as system-wide, not as a leaf
18:38:22 <nirik> it seems kinda like overkill to me, but ok
18:38:24 <dgilmore> sgallagh: its self contained, just because something depends on it doesnt change that fact
18:38:38 <randomuser> sgallagh, that is the categorization for "changes where maintainers must work with other maintainers to ensure it works", +1 from the benches
18:38:54 <dgilmore> sgallagh: the thing depending on it needs to incorpoate it or ensure that the self contained change it needs is complete
18:38:55 <jreznik> mattdm: I already added field "blocks product" but I really can't think about all features in all products that are somehow interconnect even I try to do it
18:38:58 <sgallagh> " Examples include addition of a group of leaf packages, or a coordinated effort within a SIG with limited impact outside the SIG's functional area."
18:39:03 <sgallagh> That doesn't fit this description...
18:39:10 <thozza> sgallagh: I still don't see what would break for your feature. But we can figure that out together
18:39:29 <sgallagh> thozza: The Change expressly describes a set of changes to setting formats
18:39:44 <sgallagh> That sounds like it might break our setup and management tools
18:40:07 <jreznik> sgallagh: it's easy - raise it that you want to promote to system wise... it's really not only in my hands
18:40:54 <sgallagh> Proposal: BIND 9 should be treated as a system-wide change due to its status as a tight dependency of the Domain Controller feature of Fedora Server.
18:40:59 <nirik> so, what do we want to do here?
18:41:00 <jreznik> and forecast what are changes will land or were implemented in tha past - bind is in default category of leaf package
18:41:06 <dgilmore> sgallagh: nak
18:41:13 <thozza> sgallagh: + please propose what additional steps you need from me. There is COPR repo and the change was announced on devel ages ago but nobody cared
18:41:41 <jreznik> thozza: sorry for delay on the announcement part :(
18:42:12 <sgallagh> thozza: I missed the devel announcement, sorry.
18:42:35 <thozza> I'll be +0 on this one, since it is my change
18:42:44 <sgallagh> thozza: The only thing that moving to system-wide really means is that someone from FESCo (you, me or both) will monitor its impact on other parts of the sysetm.
18:42:50 <pjones> jwb: worth noting that I'm pretty sure my change doesn't count as self-contained?
18:43:07 <thozza> sgallagh: sure, that's why I promoted is as a change
18:43:15 <jwb> pjones, nah
18:43:17 <thozza> I don't see any problem with that
18:43:27 <jreznik> sgallagh: could you co-own the change?
18:43:36 <sgallagh> jreznik: I'd be happy to do so.
18:43:41 <sgallagh> Is that alright with you, thozza?
18:43:46 <thozza> sgallagh: sure
18:44:03 <jreznik> good :)
18:44:44 <nirik> ok, so we have +3 to the one self contained change left here.
18:44:44 <thozza> anyway I still have a question for the preupgrade assistant
18:44:47 <nirik> more votes?
18:44:54 <nirik> thozza: fire away
18:45:21 <thozza> I talked with the owner of the Preupgrade assistant feature and they might need some additional packaging guidelines sections for packaging the contents for the assistant per package
18:45:30 * thozza write it before but nobody relier
18:45:44 <thozza> is this ok for self-contained change?
18:46:05 <thozza> nirik: I'll be +1 for the BIND to be system-wide....
18:46:08 <thozza> to prevent issues
18:46:09 <nirik> sure, I would think so.
18:46:16 <sgallagh> thozza: That's fine unless those packaging changes would affect a wide swath of existing packages
18:46:42 <thozza> sgallagh: I don't think so
18:46:44 <thozza> only those which decide to ship the content
18:47:00 <sgallagh> Seems self-contained to me, then
18:47:26 <sgallagh> +1 to the preupgrade-assistant Change
18:47:45 <nirik> ok, thats +4
18:48:08 <mattdm> +1
18:48:35 <nirik> #agreed preupgrade-assistant change approved (+5,0,0) Bind change will be moved to system wide
18:48:50 <jreznik> thozza: could you please update your change?
18:48:54 <nirik> do we want to vote on the bind one too now? or ?
18:49:25 <dgilmore> i already voted +1 to both
18:49:51 <nirik> dgilmore: ok, but it's hard to keep track with everyone moving all the stuff around. ;)
18:50:11 <nirik> please revote: bind system wide change
18:50:13 <nirik> +1
18:50:25 <dgilmore> nirik: sure, I don't think that bind should be moved to system wide but im not going to stop it being done so
18:50:32 <dgilmore> +1
18:50:43 <nirik> yeah, it's administravia.
18:50:52 <sgallagh> +1 to including bind
18:51:44 <mattdm> +1
18:53:06 * nirik waits for people
18:53:18 <thozza> sure
18:53:18 <thozza> +1 for preupgrade to be self-contained
18:53:18 <thozza> anybody here? :D
18:53:29 <sgallagh> Network hiccup?
18:53:49 <nirik> guess so
18:53:53 <nirik> thats +4 on bind
18:54:05 <thozza> sorry, my connection dropped
18:54:05 <mattdm> (did you get my +1?)
18:54:08 <nirik> anymore votes? should we just close out because everyone wandered off to holidays?
18:54:24 <nirik> mattdm: yeah
18:54:35 <nirik> thozza: we are voting on the bind chaneg
18:54:53 <thozza> I voted +1 in the end for system-wide
18:55:55 <nirik> ok, great
18:56:13 <nirik> #agreed bind system wide change approved (+5,0,0)
18:56:19 <nirik> #topic ticket #1375 F22 System Wide Change: Ruby on Rails 4.2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_on_Rails_4.2
18:56:19 <nirik> .fesco 1375
18:56:20 <zodbot> nirik: #1375 (F22 System Wide Change: Ruby on Rails 4.2 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_on_Rails_4.2) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1375
18:56:25 <nirik> +1
18:57:12 <dgilmore> +1
18:57:29 <thozza> +1
18:58:25 <sgallagh> +1
18:58:31 <jwb> +1
18:58:32 <mattdm> +1
18:58:45 <nirik> #agreed Change is approved (+6,0,0)
18:58:53 <nirik> #topic ticket #1376 F22 System Wide Change: UEFI Secure Boot Blacklist Updates - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UEFISecureBootBlacklistUpdates
18:58:53 <nirik> .fesco 1376
18:58:56 <zodbot> nirik: #1376 (F22 System Wide Change: UEFI Secure Boot Blacklist Updates - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UEFISecureBootBlacklistUpdates) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1376
18:59:01 <pjones> Hello party people.
18:59:09 <pjones> I strongly encourage you to approve this change.
18:59:14 <nirik> -1 because it's proposed by pjones. :)
18:59:15 <mattdm> +1 party
18:59:17 <nirik> kidding. ;)
18:59:18 * pjones waves his hand slowly across the scene
18:59:19 <dgilmore> +1
18:59:22 <jwb> +1
18:59:27 <nirik> +1
19:00:16 <thozza> +1
19:00:35 <sgallagh> +1
19:00:40 <nirik> #agreed Change is approved (+6,0,0)
19:00:47 <nirik> #topic next meeting chair
19:01:01 <nirik> anyone want it for the jan meeting?
19:01:04 <mattdm> when is that?
19:01:09 <sgallagh> The 7th
19:01:12 * dgilmore would but will not be here
19:01:26 <mattdm> I'm travelling back from vacation on the 6th....
19:01:39 <mattdm> and knowing january weather along the great lakes....
19:01:43 <dgilmore> i am taking 3 weeks off work
19:01:48 <jzb> howdy
19:01:50 <mattdm> I feel like I shouldn't commit to being anywhere on the 7th
19:01:51 <nirik> dgilmore: good for you. ;)
19:01:55 <jzb> ...
19:02:29 <nirik> so anyone be able to do it?
19:02:40 <sgallagh> I can probably take it
19:02:52 <sgallagh> Though I admit freely that I expect I'll forget to send the agenda until that morning
19:03:04 <nirik> sold. ;)
19:03:13 <nirik> #action sgallagh to chair jan 7th meeting
19:03:17 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:03:24 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
19:03:41 <sgallagh> I have this nice rug I found laying around.
19:03:58 <nirik> does it really tie the room together? ;)
19:04:03 <jwb> jzb, did you have something?
19:04:58 <jzb> jwb: I did not. Wrong room. Sorry!
19:05:04 <jwb> ok np
19:05:19 <thozza> I have to go, so merry Christmas to everyone and happy new year ;) see you in January...
19:05:22 <nirik> ok, will close out in a minute if nothing else...
19:05:30 <nirik> you too thozza!
19:05:35 <sgallagh> thozza: To you as well!
19:05:50 <sgallagh> And everyone else (or whichever holidays you choose to celebrate)
19:06:19 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 4 months
Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-12-17)
by Stephen John Smoogen
On 17 December 2014 at 07:42, Honza Horak <hhorak(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> ============================================
> #fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-12-17)
> ============================================
>
>
> Meeting started by hhorak at 12:01:19 UTC. The full logs are available
> at
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-17/
> env-and-stacks.2014-12-17-12.01.log.html
> .
>
>
>
Hi.
I would like to attend these meetings in the future, but at 05:00 local
time they are a bit outside of what I can deal with. [I noticed the two
board members who didn't attend are on even later time zones so would be at
04:00]
Is there a way to move the meeting to slightly later in the day? I am
mainly asking so that I can try and work with you guys on where any EPEL
work can occur.
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9 years, 4 months
Fedora QA Devel Meeting Minutes
by Tim Flink
==========================
#fedora-meeting-1: qadevel
==========================
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-16/qadevel.2014...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-16/qadevel.2014...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-16/qadevel.2014...
Meeting summary
---------------
* roll call (tflink, 15:19:17)
* Status Updates (tflink, 15:22:15)
* local instance of buildbot with openstack latent buildslaves was
working (tflink, 15:25:33)
* some issues with image maintenance and some concerns about
complexity (tflink, 15:26:13)
* it'd be worth looking into other ways of cloud image customization
that don't involve custom images (tflink, 15:36:58)
* phabricator on qadevel was upgraded yesterday (tflink, 15:41:11)
* still want to move the machine inside fedora infra, not sure when
that'll happen (tflink, 15:41:31)
* turning off username/password logins this Friday (tflink, 15:43:46)
* Planning - Fedmsg Integration (tflink, 15:48:21)
* kparal and mkrizek have expressed interest in working on fedmsg
integration (tflink, 15:58:52)
* Planning - Disposable Clients (tflink, 16:05:13)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/qa-devel/2014-December/001038.html
(roshi, 16:12:54)
* LINK:
https://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html#install-...
(roshi, 16:15:33)
* cloud-init can probably do most of what we're looking for in a base
disposable client image, may be a better option than custom images
(tflink, 16:18:53)
* we need a proof-of-concept implementation of the no-cloud approach
before making a decision on whether to go forward with it (tflink,
16:49:17)
* ACTION: tflink and roshi to figure out who's working on the
timeboxed proof-of concept (tflink, 16:49:43)
* Planning - blockerbugs (tflink, 16:52:14)
* will be ignoring blockerbugs features for now, focusing on bugfixes
and el7 packaging. will revisit after the first of the year when we
have a better idea of what's needed for taskotron disposable clients
(tflink, 17:00:49)
* Open Floor (tflink, 17:05:11)
Meeting ended at 17:07:23 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* tflink and roshi to figure out who's working on the timeboxed proof-of
concept
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* roshi
* tflink and roshi to figure out who's working on the timeboxed
proof-of concept
* tflink
* tflink and roshi to figure out who's working on the timeboxed
proof-of concept
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* tflink (170)
* roshi (64)
* kushal (42)
* kparal (26)
* dustymabe (26)
* mkrizek (21)
* sgallagh (6)
* zodbot (5)
* garretraziel (4)
* adamw (4)
* danofsatx-work (3)
* lbrabec (2)
* jskladan (1)
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Server SIG Weekly Meeting Minutes (2014-12-16)
by Stephen Gallagher
=================================================================
#fedora-meeting: Server SIG Weekly Meeting (2014-12-16)
=================================================================
Meeting started by sgallagh at 16:02:57 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-16/fedora-meeting...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* roll call (sgallagh, 16:02:57)
* Agenda (sgallagh, 16:07:53)
* Agenda Item: Database Server Role Design (sgallagh, 16:08:04)
* adamw will work on a proposal for defining/documenting server role
capabilities and requirements outside of the release criteria
(sgallagh, 16:10:46)
* Database Server Role Design (sgallagh, 16:15:19)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/2014-December/001694.html
(sgallagh, 16:15:57)
* rolekit should support creating an admin account when creating the
DB, but stay out of user management otherwise (sgallagh, 16:32:09)
* AGREED: The Database Server Role will be built with a single local
process, with rolekit instances maintaining the databases within it.
(lazy consensus) (sgallagh, 16:37:28)
* If we select a graphical tool for managing PostgreSQL, it must be
able to manage user rights, replication and other system-level tasks
(sgallagh, 16:43:54)
* A UI for SQL queries is a non-requirement (sgallagh, 16:44:04)
* Any UI we employ for the Database Server Role must be integrated
with Cockpit in some reasonable way (sgallagh, 16:47:07)
* Cantas (sgallagh, 16:54:36)
* LINK: http://cantas-fedoraserver.rhcloud.com/ (danofsatx-work,
16:55:26)
* LINK: https://github.com/xychu/cantas ? (adamw, 16:56:15)
* LINK: https://github.com/onepiecejs/nodejs-cantas (sgallagh,
16:56:24)
* Cantas authentication does not integrate with fedoauth (yet)
(danofsatx-work, 16:57:55)
* Current authentication is only through Google or Kerberos.
(danofsatx-work, 16:59:04)
* Fedora Infrastructure does not support Kerberos (sgallagh,
16:59:21)
Meeting ended at 17:09:01 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* sgallagh (117)
* simo (69)
* danofsatx-work (27)
* adamw (17)
* zodbot (12)
* hanthana (8)
* mclasen (4)
* kushal (3)
* mizmo (1)
* nirik (0)
* mitr (0)
* stefw (0)
* danofsatx (0)
* tuanta (0)
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2014-12-08 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting - Minutes
by Adam Williamson
==================================
#fedora-meeting: Fedora QA meeting
==================================
Meeting started by adamw at 16:00:38 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-08/fedora-qa.2014...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call (adamw, 16:00:52)
* Fedora 21 - thanks! (adamw, 16:04:08)
* thanks to everyone for Fedora 21 testing work, great job (adamw,
16:05:18)
* Fedora 21 final check-in (adamw, 16:05:52)
* temporary bug in fedup #1171473 is a releng issue, should be sorted
soon (adamw, 16:08:00)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1171787 also dup?
(satellit, 16:08:16)
* adamw has done the initial final release version of
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F21_bugs , please nominate any
further bugs for the page by adding CommonBugs keyword (adamw,
16:09:53)
* multiple people have seen the corrupted console output while fedup
is running until you hit a key, we will make sure it's filed and
Common Bugs'ed (adamw, 16:13:49)
* Fedora 22 planning (adamw, 16:19:31)
* LINK: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/ (adamw, 16:22:52)
* AGREED: we will try to implement the plan of organized early
(pre-Alpha TC1) installer validation testing for Fedora 22 (adamw,
16:45:06)
* ACTION: roshi to look at implementing a compose event listener in
taskotron (adamw, 16:45:17)
* ACTION: adamw to work on wiki magic and relval (adamw, 16:45:29)
* we will continue to discuss blocker review process improvements and
discuss more specific proposals as they are made (adamw, 16:46:06)
* so far we see no specific QA concerns in the tick/tock discussion,
we will continue to monitor (adamw, 16:51:32)
* roshi will work on co-ordinating test days again this cycle, he's
happy to have any help if anyone else wants to join in on that
(adamw, 16:55:09)
* pschindl will help roshi with test day co-ordination (adamw,
16:56:06)
* Open floor (adamw, 17:01:26)
Meeting ended at 17:12:01 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* roshi to look at implementing a compose event listener in taskotron
* adamw to work on wiki magic and relval
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* adamw
* adamw to work on wiki magic and relval
* roshi
* roshi to look at implementing a compose event listener in taskotron
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* adamw (172)
* kparal (43)
* sgallagh (42)
* roshi (33)
* tflink (16)
* bcl (13)
* danofsatx-work (12)
* jreznik (11)
* satellit (10)
* brunowolff (7)
* zodbot (4)
* pwhalen (3)
* amita (2)
* pschindl (2)
* Guest26560 (1)
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9 years, 4 months
2014-11-24 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting - Minutes
by Adam Williamson
==================================
#fedora-meeting: Fedora QA meeting
==================================
Meeting started by adamw at 16:00:34 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-24/fedora-qa.2014...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call (adamw, 16:00:53)
* Fedora 21 Final status (adamw, 16:05:40)
* AGREED: TC4 to go today with cockpit and freeipa fixes (and
something from mclasen for #1160499) (adamw, 16:14:54)
* AGREED: we'll run a blocker review meeting after this meeting (yay
meetings) (adamw, 16:21:31)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2014-November/123936.html
(roshi, 16:29:08)
* ACTION: adamw to mail desktop@ about release blocking status of
high-contrast icons (adamw, 16:36:42)
* Test Days (adamw, 16:40:58)
* last test day, Atomic, went off OK, that should be the end of the
F21 Test Days - thanks all who helped out (adamw, 16:43:31)
* Open floor (adamw, 16:45:54)
Meeting ended at 16:53:05 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* adamw to mail desktop@ about release blocking status of high-contrast
icons
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* adamw
* adamw to mail desktop@ about release blocking status of
high-contrast icons
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* adamw (71)
* roshi (36)
* nirik (13)
* jreznik_2nd (10)
* sgallagh (10)
* zodbot (9)
* kparal (7)
* mclasen (5)
* pwhalen (2)
* kinokoio (2)
* jreznik (2)
* smccann (1)
* tflink (1)
* pschindl (1)
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net http://www.happyassassin.net
9 years, 4 months
Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2014-12-12)
by Zhenbo Li
Hi all,
The IRC meeting minutes yesterday are available at the links below. Thanks
everyone for attending the meeting.
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-12-12/fedora-zh.2014-12-1...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-12-12/fedora-zh.2014-12-1...
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-12-12/fedora-zh.2014-12-1...
==================
#fedora-zh Meeting
==================
Meeting started by alick at 13:07:45 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-12-12/fedora-zh.2014-12-1...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call 报到 (alick, 13:07:52)
* 请使用 .hellomynameis fasname 报到 (alick, 13:08:22)
* 请充分利用 #idea, #info, #action 使会议纪要更清晰易读 (alick,
13:09:12)
* LINK:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2014-12-05/fedora-zh.2014-12-0...
(alick, 13:12:50)
* tpoic: FUDCon Post Event Todos (zsun, 13:20:00)
* topic: Offline events (zsun, 13:20:13)
* topic: FZUG Websites and fedora-cn package repo (zsun, 13:20:36)
* FUDCon Post Event Todos (zsun, 13:20:48)
* Offline events (zsun, 13:25:41)
* Red Hat Beijing calls zsun to query about whether the can help in
activities (zsun, 13:26:53)
* Fedora 21 release party Beijing is drafted at Jan 24th, 2015 (zsun,
13:30:54)
* call for release parties (zsun, 13:32:50)
* OpenSource HongKong 2015 CFP starts (zsun, 13:34:04)
* ACTION: alick zsun track materials status in China by Jan 2015
(zsun, 13:37:04)
* ACTION: alick zsun call for more release parties on mail list
(zsun, 13:37:30)
* FZUG Websites and fedora-cn package repo (zsun, 13:45:26)
* IDEA: try Amazon free service for fedora-cn repo (zsun, 13:46:01)
* Open Floor (zsun, 13:53:03)
* ACTION: tiansworld send out survey report of FUDCon Beijing 2014
(zsun, 14:05:18)
* ACTION: alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors
(zsun, 14:05:39)
Meeting ended at 14:14:22 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* alick zsun track materials status in China by Jan 2015
* alick zsun call for more release parties on mail list
* tiansworld send out survey report of FUDCon Beijing 2014
* alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* alick
* alick zsun track materials status in China by Jan 2015
* alick zsun call for more release parties on mail list
* alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors
* tiansworld
* tiansworld send out survey report of FUDCon Beijing 2014
* zsun
* alick zsun track materials status in China by Jan 2015
* alick zsun call for more release parties on mail list
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* zsun (101)
* FreedomKnight (31)
* alick (21)
* tvvocold_ (18)
* story (8)
* zodbot (7)
* BadGirl (2)
* isyangxin (2)
* endle (1)
* tiansworld (1)
* microcai (1)
* Pany (0)
* tonghuix (0)
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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-12-11)
by Kevin Fenzi
============================================
#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-12-11)
============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:36 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-11/infrastructure...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* aloha (nirik, 18:00:37)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:02:05)
* FAD recap (nirik, 18:06:48)
* got lots of details about mirrormanager 1 from Matt Domsch (nirik,
18:07:31)
* got Mirrormanager 2 pretty much all implemented (nirik, 18:08:38)
* got some test coverage added to Mirrormanager 2 (nirik, 18:08:50)
* got Mirrormanager2 mostly added to ansible and deployed in staging
(nirik, 18:09:09)
* LINK: https://admin.stg.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager2/ (pingou,
18:09:19)
* targeting mid january for production deployment. Might do some kind
of phased approach with mirrorlist vs the rest. (nirik, 18:12:01)
* ansible migrations took up the rest of the FAD time. (nirik,
18:13:01)
* puiterwijk got nameservers in ansible and all redeployed with it.
(nirik, 18:13:34)
* various other playbooks written, just need to finish things up.
(nirik, 18:14:13)
* down to 57 machines in puppet. (nirik, 18:14:21)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:15:38)
* puiterwijk got single login in badges, and spec for single logout
(more to come) (nirik, 18:17:00)
* proxy playbooks are about 75% done. TODO list is in
playbooks/groups/proxies-reverseproxy.yml (nirik, 18:20:05)
* hopefully roll out a bodhi2 instance in stg asap and see what all we
need for production (nirik, 18:27:35)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:28:28)
* monday outage - updates/reboots (nirik, 18:29:59)
* tuesday outage - database server migrations (nirik, 18:30:08)
* wed outage - more ansible/rhel7 migrations (nirik, 18:30:19)
* nagios recap (nirik, 18:35:31)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:37:28)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 18:37:28)
* we will meet next week as normal, but not the following 2 weeks
(nirik, 18:38:34)
* ACTION: nirik to send list of ansible work we still need done to
list. (nirik, 18:40:33)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:40:39)
* talk to puiterwijk if you want single login on your fedora app
(nirik, 18:41:43)
Meeting ended at 18:43:04 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* nirik to send list of ansible work we still need done to list.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* nirik
* nirik to send list of ansible work we still need done to list.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* nirik (102)
* pingou (20)
* puiterwijk (16)
* lmacken (13)
* wallison (11)
* tflink (9)
* threebean (8)
* zodbot (5)
* adimania (3)
* mirek-hm (3)
* Khaytsus (1)
* bwood09 (1)
* danielbruno (1)
* relrod (1)
* abadger1999 (0)
* smooge (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0
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18:00:36 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-12-11)
18:00:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 11 18:00:36 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:37 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:37 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:37 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:37 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
18:00:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:42 * lmacken
18:00:42 * threebean waves
18:00:45 * puiterwijk is here
18:00:48 * danielbruno is here
18:00:52 * mirek-hm is here
18:01:00 * adimania is here
18:01:03 * pingou
18:01:09 * bwood09 here
18:02:05 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
18:02:20 <nirik> any new folks like to provide a short introduction of themselves?
18:02:28 <nirik> or apprentices with questions or comments ?
18:02:48 <wallison> Guess I'll go...
18:03:23 <wallison> My name is Will, I'm still working through the Primary Steps of Getting Started
18:03:33 <nirik> cool. welcome wallison
18:03:44 <wallison> I'm not an IT pro, but have been using Linux at home for at least 15 years
18:03:53 <nirik> are you primarilly interested in sysadmin type things, or application development, or both?
18:04:00 <wallison> and want to contribute (finally) to the FOSS community
18:04:10 <wallison> Fedora seems to make that easy!
18:04:15 <threebean> :)
18:04:18 <nirik> we try. ;)
18:04:24 <wallison> nirik sysadmin stuff
18:04:40 <wallison> i'd like to do that as a second career after college
18:04:46 <nirik> cool. See me after the meeting over in #fedora-admin and I can get you added to our apprentice group...
18:04:49 <wallison> threebean: nice vids by the way
18:04:58 <nirik> and you can look around and look at easyfix tickets
18:05:18 <wallison> nirik: sounds awesome, I'll probably need some hand holding!
18:05:37 * relrod late, sorry
18:05:38 <nirik> sure, there are usually folks around in #fedora-admin or #fedora-noc that can help you out.
18:05:42 <wallison> Thanks for allowing my to introduce myself...
18:05:46 <threebean> wallison: thanks :) lemme know if you find holes in the information or important stuff left out. could maybe use an updated sequel..
18:06:24 <nirik> any other new folks? or apprentices with questions?
18:06:24 <wallison> will do threebean
18:06:38 <pingou> welcome wallison
18:06:48 <nirik> #topic FAD recap
18:07:06 <nirik> So, we recently had a FAD (fedora activity days) in raleigh...
18:07:13 <pingou> it was nice :)
18:07:13 <nirik> I think we got some great stuff done, wanted to recap. ;)
18:07:31 <nirik> #info got lots of details about mirrormanager 1 from Matt Domsch
18:07:49 <nirik> did we actually get mm2 all implemented?
18:07:58 <nirik> or were there still some minor gaps?
18:08:22 <pingou> should be all there
18:08:23 <nirik> I think we got it all pretty much?
18:08:33 <pingou> including the bugs we missed :)
18:08:38 <nirik> #info got Mirrormanager 2 pretty much all implemented
18:08:50 <nirik> #info got some test coverage added to Mirrormanager 2
18:09:09 <nirik> #info got Mirrormanager2 mostly added to ansible and deployed in staging
18:09:19 <pingou> https://admin.stg.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager2/
18:09:26 <nirik> There is still some testing work and finishing things up in stg, but it's largely all there. ;)
18:09:42 <pingou> the mirrorlist needs a little tweaking :)
18:09:51 <nirik> did we decide on a timeline to deploy?
18:09:56 <Khaytsus> Sorry, my server is flipping out again, I"m reading back ;)
18:09:56 <pingou> we did not
18:09:56 <nirik> in prod I mean
18:10:28 <nirik> well, it would be good to get this rolled out before any freezes or milestones...
18:10:35 <nirik> perhaps mid january?
18:10:46 <pingou> once we get mirrorlist up and running we'll be able to test mm2 nicely
18:10:51 <pingou> but mid-january sounds good
18:11:15 <nirik> we could also do a phased approach... do mirrorlists first, then the rest...
18:11:18 <nirik> or vice versa.
18:11:23 <nirik> as long as the data is compatible
18:11:34 <pingou> should be :)
18:12:01 <nirik> #info targeting mid january for production deployment. Might do some kind of phased approach with mirrorlist vs the rest.
18:12:12 <nirik> anything else to note on MM2?
18:12:46 <pingou> looks good to me :)
18:12:48 <nirik> we also then spent serveral days working on ansible migrations.
18:13:01 <nirik> #info ansible migrations took up the rest of the FAD time.
18:13:18 <nirik> threebean: where were we on proxy playbooks? still needs more converting?
18:13:34 <nirik> #info puiterwijk got nameservers in ansible and all redeployed with it.
18:14:13 <nirik> #info various other playbooks written, just need to finish things up.
18:14:21 <nirik> #info down to 57 machines in puppet.
18:14:56 <nirik> anything else to note about the ansible side of the FAD?
18:15:38 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:15:49 <puiterwijk> nirik: well, just one more thing about the FAD not about ansible
18:15:51 <nirik> anything in the applications side this week? I see there was a new pkgdb deployed
18:15:56 <nirik> puiterwijk: oh?
18:16:00 <puiterwijk> oh, can also go here
18:16:21 <puiterwijk> got single login into badges upstream, and a spec for single logout. more to come in the near future
18:16:33 <nirik> oh yeah.
18:16:48 <puiterwijk> (that was also during the FAD, though not officially part :) )
18:17:00 <nirik> #info puiterwijk got single login in badges, and spec for single logout (more to come)
18:17:01 <lmacken> I worked on polishing up the atomic tree composer code and integrated it into bodhi during the first 1.5 days of the FAD
18:17:18 <nirik> lmacken: oh yeah, we were going to look at landing that sometime, right?
18:17:20 <lmacken> got bodhi mashes running in stg for the first time, and with atomic tree support too
18:17:37 <lmacken> nirik: yeah, I'd be happy to push that out today or tomorrow
18:17:47 <threebean> nirik: on proxy playbooks the redirects, websites, and reversepassproxies are done.
18:17:55 <nirik> lmacken: we might run it by dgilmore... but I think it's the way he wanted it.
18:17:56 <tflink> any farther thoughts on when bodhi2 might be deployed?
18:18:17 <lmacken> nirik: i'll have it compose trees to a one-off location and have him +1 the output before we throw it live
18:18:28 <threebean> prolly 75% done... there are some more little bits that need doing, with a commented-out TODO list in playbooks/groups/proxies-reverseproxy.yml
18:18:30 <lmacken> and walters too
18:18:31 <nirik> tflink: not sure, but we should try and come up with a timeline.
18:18:47 <tflink> not much concrete movement in qa apps, mostly discussion and planning. still working on an el7 build for blockerbugs so that can be migrated but keep hitting epel7 package problems
18:19:14 <nirik> lmacken: sounds good.
18:19:33 <nirik> tflink: let me know if I can help... or if you get to the end of the well and we can cut them over. ;)
18:19:38 <pingou> nirik: btw, rebuilt fas03 fine yesterday?
18:20:05 <nirik> #info proxy playbooks are about 75% done. TODO list is in playbooks/groups/proxies-reverseproxy.yml
18:20:08 <tflink> we're likely to try getting beaker working as more than just a dev machine next year, will be starting more conversations about how to deploy and secure that once it gets farther along
18:20:24 <nirik> pingou: I rebuilt fas03 and fas02. Both seem working fine.
18:20:29 <pingou> cool!
18:20:37 <tflink> nirik: yeah, I want to make sure Taskotron is ready for the switchover since we rely on bodhi for notifications right now
18:21:02 <tflink> nirik: it's mostly epel7 builds that were never tested ATM. things that build fine until you try to use them and they explode :-/
18:21:02 <puiterwijk> nirik: well, I've seen some 2FA problems earlier today. but might've been just net timeouts or me overthinking things
18:21:20 <nirik> puiterwijk: hum, ok. It's working fine for me...
18:21:32 <puiterwijk> nirik: not all the time. next time I see it, I'll report back
18:21:37 <puiterwijk> and/or debug
18:22:00 <nirik> lmacken: thoughts on bodhi2 deployment? can we add a bodhi2 instance in stg now and see what else we need?
18:22:15 <lmacken> nirik: setting up a stg instance sounds good to me
18:22:33 <lmacken> nirik: the frontend should be close to ready, and having a stg setup that we can mash in now will help me polish up the final masher bits
18:22:49 <nirik> cool. I can make one this afternoon. ;)
18:22:51 <lmacken> (until we mash in koji)
18:23:00 <lmacken> nirik: awesome, thanks
18:23:32 <nirik> I'd be happy if we could roll it out in jan too... or sooner, but that may not be practical.
18:23:56 <tflink> nirik: you mean a production bodhi2?
18:24:06 <tflink> or the stg instance
18:24:14 <nirik> yeah. I want it out. It's been forever.
18:24:19 <nirik> stg I plan on doing today. ;)
18:24:29 <nirik> perhaps that will give us a feel for when we could go to prod
18:24:42 * tflink starts scrambling to get Taskotron ready for that
18:24:44 <lmacken> yeah, let's shoot for sometime in jan/feb :)
18:25:03 <nirik> tflink: is that impractical from your side? or how much code changes?
18:25:04 <lmacken> there's backwards compat work that still needs to be done in python-fedora, etc.
18:25:35 <nirik> oh true.
18:25:37 <tflink> nirik: the biggest problem is that we need to get fedmsg integration, i assume that API changes will have minimal impact from our end
18:26:01 <nirik> tflink: ok. having a stg instance should help there too... (so you have something to test/see)
18:26:12 <lmacken> threebean and I can help with the fedmsg stuff on all fronts
18:26:21 <nirik> the other big application deployment I want to see is mailman3 soonish. ;)
18:26:30 * pingou looks at abompard
18:26:32 <nirik> abompard: ^ any news on mailman3
18:27:35 <nirik> #info hopefully roll out a bodhi2 instance in stg asap and see what all we need for production
18:27:57 <nirik> cool. Any other applications side news?
18:28:28 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:28:33 <mirek-hm> openstack had just problems ergo we copr had problems today and there were lots of failing builds today. /me lost the patience and I'm scratching the idea of installin Juno as the installation still does not work and I want to install Icehouse, which works (err worked last time I tried that).
18:28:50 <nirik> mirek-hm: yeah, seems reasonable.
18:29:06 <nirik> mirek-hm: I asked Smooge to reinstall those. If he can't get to it soon I will.
18:29:50 <nirik> I'm also going to send out a outage announcement for next week... I'm going to plan an outage block monday/tuesday/wed.
18:29:59 <nirik> #info monday outage - updates/reboots
18:30:02 <mirek-hm> nirik: my plan is that once installed, I will run there few VM and will check how stable it is, and eventually start migrating copr
18:30:08 <nirik> #info tuesday outage - database server migrations
18:30:19 <nirik> #info wed outage - more ansible/rhel7 migrations
18:30:28 <nirik> mirek-hm: ok, sounds good.
18:30:43 <threebean> nirik: would you like to see the proxy stuff ready by then (next week)?
18:31:04 <puiterwijk> threebean: I think that might be a bit soon for something that complex
18:31:12 <nirik> threebean: I think it's too soon to roll that to prod... also, we can do that outside outage
18:31:21 * threebean nods
18:31:28 <nirik> ie, take a proxy out, convert it, add it back carefully and watch
18:31:28 <threebean> will get it ready and then let it sit, then.
18:31:48 <nirik> if it's ready looking I can try some conversions over the holidays... ;)
18:31:52 <pingou> nirik: on the other side threebean tested with with ansible --check to see if it changed anything
18:32:17 <nirik> yeah...
18:32:26 <pingou> the only thing I would have is: next week might be a little soon with the holidays around the corner :)
18:32:34 <pingou> but early jan sounds good to me
18:32:51 <nirik> I think the next step is to finish things up and put it in as proxy01.stg...
18:33:07 <nirik> then we can test it more... then if it looks all good there, we can start rolling out to prod proxies.
18:33:26 <nirik> also, at the same time we can try and update colo sites to rhel7 virthosts.
18:33:28 <puiterwijk> nirik: or we can push it to proxy01 and have everyone use that again. might provide good testing :)
18:33:43 <nirik> heh. indeed.
18:33:46 <pingou> ^^
18:35:22 <nirik> Anything else on the sysadmin side?
18:35:31 <nirik> #topic nagios recap
18:35:37 <puiterwijk> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?report=1&disp...
18:35:37 <zodbot> puiterwijk: http://tinyurl.com/pzzwx2r
18:35:57 <puiterwijk> oh, hah. copied the wrong one I guess
18:35:59 <nirik> we had quite the pile of alerts this week... due to the proxy geoip issue puiterwijk tracked down and fixed (thanks again!)
18:36:40 <puiterwijk> we had lots of traffic as well (thanks to all contributors for Fedora 21!)
18:36:44 <nirik> hopefully things will relax a bit now. Anything to reduce alerts over the holidays would be good.
18:37:28 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:37:28 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
18:37:37 <nirik> anything upcoming that folks would like to note or schedule?
18:37:56 <nirik> aside from mirrormanager2, mailman3 and bodhi2 deployed by jan. ;)
18:38:04 <pingou> \ó/
18:38:11 <adimania> note: do we have an updated list of what is left for ansible?
18:38:20 <puiterwijk> nirik: RH shutdown end of december?
18:38:34 <nirik> #info we will meet next week as normal, but not the following 2 weeks
18:38:58 <nirik> adimania: I have a list. I am going to probibly post to the list... if you want to look at working on some more. ;)
18:39:19 <nirik> a lot of the ones left in puppet already have playbooks, just a matter of downtime and moving them.
18:39:25 <nirik> thus the outage blocks next week
18:39:35 <adimania> nirik, yes. I am willing to. If you can post the list today or tomorrow, then I can try to do something over the weekend :)
18:39:43 <nirik> cool. ;)
18:40:33 <nirik> #action nirik to send list of ansible work we still need done to list.
18:40:39 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:40:42 <nirik> anything for open floor?
18:41:26 <puiterwijk> if people want to add Single login to Fedora apps, please get in contact with me?
18:41:43 <puiterwijk> help add*
18:41:43 <nirik> #info talk to puiterwijk if you want single login on your fedora app
18:43:01 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. :) Lets continue in #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc and #fedora-apps.
18:43:04 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 4 months
Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)
by James Antill
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
======================
Meeting started by geppetto at 17:01:37 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-11/fpc.2014-12-...
.
Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (geppetto, 17:01:37)
* #476 Requesting copylib exemption for libgnome-volume-control
(geppetto, 17:06:19)
* ACTION: General agreement that it should be made at least a static
lib. … hopefully a shared lib. eventually. (geppetto, 17:20:11)
* Write up tickets (geppetto, 17:22:26)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/14 (geppetto, 17:22:34)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/15 has all of the announce
tickets. (tibbs|w, 17:26:37)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/libreOfficeExtentions
I mean (orionp, 17:27:23)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/316 is also in the
guidelines already, so I change it to announce right? (tomspur,
17:31:04)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Packaging%
3ADistTag&diff=397407&oldid=174910
and
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Packaging%
3ANamingGuidelines&diff=397408&oldid=379705
are the changes I made. (tibbs|w, 17:34:29)
* #475 Suggested Changes for Python Guidelines for F22 (geppetto,
17:39:58)
* ACTION: Mostly approving but follow comments from IRC discussion and
write a real policy change we can vote on. (geppetto, 18:01:44)
* #474 Allocating a soft static uid and gid 389 for dirsrv (geppetto,
18:01:58)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1143066
(tibbs|w, 18:03:06)
* ACTION: james Need more data, we esp. don't want to set a precedent
that anything that can be in a container needs a soft static
uid/gid. (geppetto, 18:09:00)
* Open Floor (geppetto, 18:09:22)
Meeting ended at 18:26:38 UTC.
Action Items
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* General agreement that it should be made at least a static lib. …
hopefully a shared lib. eventually.
* Mostly approving but follow comments from IRC discussion and write a
real policy change we can vote on.
* james Need more data, we esp. don't want to set a precedent that
anything that can be in a container needs a soft static uid/gid.
Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* General agreement that it should be made at least a static lib. …
hopefully a shared lib. eventually.
* Mostly approving but follow comments from IRC discussion and write a
real policy change we can vote on.
* james Need more data, we esp. don't want to set a precedent that
anything that can be in a container needs a soft static uid/gid.
People Present (lines said)
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* geppetto (86)
* tibbs|w (66)
* tomspur (17)
* orionp (13)
* zbyszek (10)
* racor (9)
* zodbot (9)
* spot (7)
* mbooth (3)
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