Minutes of bi-weekly i18n meeting
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com
Hi All,
We had regular bi-weekly i18n meeting today. Following are the minutes.
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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by pravins at 06:00:48 UTC. The full logs are available
athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-21/i18n.2015-01...
.
Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:00:58)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-21
(pravins, 06:01:02)
* Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:02:22)
* 2015-01-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline
(System Wide Changes) (pravins, 06:02:28)
* 2015-02-10 Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide (pravins, 06:02:28)
* 2015-02-24 Alpha Freeze (pravins, 06:02:28)
* 2015-02-24 Software String Freeze (pravins, 06:02:28)
* 2015-02-24 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
(pravins, 06:02:28)
* 2015-02-24 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 06:02:29)
* 2015-03-10 Alpha Release (pravins, 06:02:31)
* Outstanding topic (pravins, 06:07:49)
* #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
(i18n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:07:53)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 (pravins, 06:07:56)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps (paragan,
06:09:32)
* Outstanding task (pravins, 06:12:39)
* #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup
(i18n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:12:39)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35 (pravins, 06:12:39)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps (pravins,
06:15:37)
* Total 491 xkb layout are available (pravins, 06:15:55)
* Will have 30 minutes meeting to complete i18n cleanup task
https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35 (pravins, 06:19:48)
* ACTION: pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing
i18n cleanup task (pravins, 06:20:26)
* #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins) (pravins, 06:23:00)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40 (pravins, 06:23:07)
* ACTION: contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches
in Fedora rawhide. (pravins, 06:33:26)
* #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n
(pravins) (pravins, 06:34:12)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41 (pravins, 06:34:12)
* ACTION: document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki. (pravins,
06:38:20)
* LINK:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2015-01/msg00041.html
(pravins, 06:46:34)
* New task (pravins, 06:50:00)
* #42: Fedora 22 i18n test day (tagoh) (pravins, 06:50:00)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/42 (pravins, 06:50:00)
* LINK:
http://testdays.qa.fedoraproject.org/testdays/show_event?event_id=21
(pravins, 06:55:21)
* Open Floor (pravins, 07:02:12)
Meeting ended at 07:06:30 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing i18n
cleanup task
* contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches in Fedora
rawhide.
* document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* pravins
* pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing i18n
cleanup task
* **UNASSIGNED**
* contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches in Fedora
rawhide.
* document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki.
People Present (lines said)
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* pravins (133)
* juhp (23)
* tagoh_ (14)
* paragan (10)
* anish_ (10)
* mfabian (9)
* ueno (3)
* zodbot (3)
* shilpa (1)
* fujiwarat (1)
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Regards,
Pravin Satpute
9 years, 3 months
Fedora Release Engineering meeting summary for 2015-01-19
by Dennis Gilmore
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#fedora-meeting-1: RELENG (2015-01-19)
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Meeting started by dgilmore at 16:34:39 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2015-01-19/releng.2015-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (dgilmore, 16:34:48)
* Secondary Architectures updates (dgilmore, 16:37:31)
* Secondary Architectures update - ppc (dgilmore, 16:37:32)
* Secondary Architectures update - s390 (dgilmore, 16:40:58)
* Secondary Architectures update - arm (dgilmore, 16:46:57)
* #5931 [Proposal] Move new branch and unretire requests to pkgdb2
(dgilmore, 16:51:26)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5931 (dgilmore,
16:51:33)
* update in ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5931#comment:12 (dgilmore,
16:52:09)
* ACTION: pingou to deploy in stage by the end of this week for
testing next week (dgilmore, 16:56:03)
* ACTION: everyone test in stage when it is ready (dgilmore,
16:56:28)
* desire to have deployed by devconf (dgilmore, 16:56:42)
* #5963 Orphaned vulnerable packages in EPEL (dgilmore, 16:58:07)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5963 (dgilmore,
16:58:19)
* ACTION: tyll_ give update in ticket (dgilmore, 17:01:55)
* #6039 koji database read-only access request (dgilmore, 17:02:08)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6039 (dgilmore,
17:02:13)
* there is no sensitive data in the db (dgilmore, 17:06:04)
* ACTION: nirik to set up publishing the db (dgilmore, 17:08:11)
* #6059 untag f21 GA builds from f21-updates-testing (dgilmore,
17:08:20)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6059 (dgilmore,
17:08:41)
* #6064 extend srpm-excluded-arch.py so it can read srpms from multiple
dirs (dgilmore, 17:10:36)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6064 (dgilmore,
17:10:46)
* we should make a big angry list of packages excluded on an arch post
release (dgilmore, 17:14:37)
* no objections to extending the functionality (dgilmore, 17:17:17)
* Open Floor (dgilmore, 17:18:24)
* ACTION: dgilmore to file bug against mock for current breakages
(dgilmore, 17:25:57)
* need to work with bcl on transition to lmc for livecds (dgilmore,
17:26:38)
* likely to have new toolfor composes before devconf (dgilmore,
17:27:14)
* ACTION: dgilmore to update the koji theme package (dgilmore,
17:41:23)
* minimal buildroots and caching etc (dgilmore, 17:50:15)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/490#comment:10
(dgilmore, 18:03:00)
Meeting ended at 18:16:40 UTC.
Action Items
- ------------
* pingou to deploy in stage by the end of this week for testing next
week
* everyone test in stage when it is ready
* tyll_ give update in ticket
* nirik to set up publishing the db
* dgilmore to file bug against mock for current breakages
* dgilmore to update the koji theme package
Action Items, by person
- -----------------------
* dgilmore
* dgilmore to file bug against mock for current breakages
* dgilmore to update the koji theme package
* nirik
* nirik to set up publishing the db
* pingou
* pingou to deploy in stage by the end of this week for testing next
week
* tyll
* tyll_ give update in ticket
* **UNASSIGNED**
* everyone test in stage when it is ready
People Present (lines said)
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* dgilmore (205)
* nirik (54)
* sharkcz (30)
* pingou (26)
* bochecha (13)
* zodbot (6)
* masta (1)
* tyll (0)
* pbrobinson (0)
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9 years, 3 months
2015-01-16 EPEL committee meeting
by Stephen John Smoogen
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2015-01-16/epel.2015-01-16-17.05.lo...
17:05:03 <smooge> #startmeeting epel
17:05:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jan 16 17:05:03 2015 UTC. The chair
is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:05:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link
#topic.
17:05:08 <smooge> #meetingname epel
17:05:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
17:05:42 * bstinson is here
17:05:52 <smooge> #chairs smooge bstinson Evolution dgilmore nirik
17:05:54 * maxamillion is here
17:05:58 <smooge> #chair smooge bstinson Evolution dgilmore nirik
17:05:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson dgilmore nirik smooge
17:05:59 <Evolution> present.
17:06:05 <smooge> #topic Robot Roll Call
17:06:08 <smooge> here
17:06:11 <maxamillion> here
17:06:13 <avij> hi
17:06:35 <smooge> sorry guys... was dealing with a sick pup and missed the
timer
17:06:37 <nirik> somewhat here
17:06:48 <maxamillion> smooge: sorry to hear that, hope everything is
alright
17:06:55 <dgilmore> hola
17:07:16 <Evolution> smooge: back feeling better?
17:07:39 <smooge> yep.
17:08:45 <smooge> #topic Next Orphan Day
17:09:21 <dgilmore> smooge: reminds me
17:09:22 <dgilmore> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5963#comment:7
17:09:38 <smooge> So I see tyll_ has put out another set of orphaned
packages. The issue that they weren't caught before was that he wasn't
looking at packages that had been retired in rawhide
17:10:43 <smooge> so I think we can answer that with a yes.. and we will do
it in X days?
17:11:01 <smooge> How does the 22nd of January sound for Orphan Day?
17:11:14 <nirik> sure, sounds fine.
17:11:16 <dgilmore> works for me
17:11:18 <dgilmore> yes
17:11:22 <bstinson> +1
17:11:29 <Evolution> yeah, that's safe enough prior to fosdem
17:11:39 <Evolution> +1 here
17:11:58 <smooge> +1 from me
17:12:32 <smooge> #agreed Next orphan removal day is 2015-01-22 +5 -0
17:13:18 <smooge> #topic Website Cleanup? [Is smooge every gonna start?]
17:14:32 <smooge> well hopefully soon
17:14:40 <smooge> sorry dog needed to go outside
17:15:09 <smooge> I have stuff started to be written, but haven't had
enough time without interruptions to concentrate on it
17:15:16 <smooge> same story for everyone else I expect
17:15:38 <smooge> #topic FOSDOM EPEL/CentOS meeting
17:15:58 * nirik will not be there, but will be available via irc/email for
questions, etc
17:16:02 <smooge> Evolution, do you know what the current plans on this
are? I am expecting it will be BOF instead of a dinner
17:16:17 * maxamillion will not be there either but pending schedules will
be available on irc/email
17:16:46 <smooge> and it looks like it will be mostly getting stories from
users about what they want in EPEL
17:16:53 <Evolution> smooge: yeah. that's the current idea
17:17:03 <Evolution> 20 people at a dinner isn't meaningful
17:17:15 <Evolution> we're going to attempt to comandeer a bof area
17:18:34 * quaid leaps in for a few minutes
17:19:16 <quaid> smooge: yeah, getting user stories together basically
aiui; we need to have a better idea from the CentOS perspective what people
want, so we know what to work on, ask for, bargain for, build, etc.
17:19:22 <smooge> ok I expect it will be less than 20 people since possible
free food/beer is gone :). BUt then again the Red Hat BOF at USENIX was
40-60 people when 10 listed they would come up
17:19:55 <quaid> the folks who've responded seem to have an investment
beyond free-beer :) and this is Belgium, there might be beer anyway :)
17:20:38 <smooge> thanks
17:20:55 <smooge> do you guys have a date for it?
17:21:25 <Evolution> I don't recall seeing a date offhand on the list, but
I think we were trying to keep the same schedule as the dinner.
17:21:32 * dgilmore did book fosdem
17:21:45 <dgilmore> I will definitely be there
17:22:44 <quaid> dgilmore: looking forward to seeing you, been a long time
17:22:55 <smooge> and quaid maybe sometime this year we (various committee
members) can have a working meeting after some direction?
17:23:06 <quaid> Evolution: that's a good question, I presumed it moved
back to Sat afternoon for the event venue?
17:23:16 <smooge> various committee members + CentOS committee members
17:23:19 <Evolution> something to post to the list then.
17:23:26 <Evolution> for clarity at least.
17:23:46 <quaid> smooge: yeah, I asked KB if he wanted us all to have a
Hangout before FOSDEM, but when I got the fuller scope on user stories, I
realized it would be better after we had something solid to share; one of
us will look to arrange a meeting in Feb then
17:24:06 <quaid> Evolution: good point, I don't think it's been addressed,
yeah.
17:24:27 <smooge> quaid, thanks
17:25:43 <quaid> smooge: also, if no one objects, I plan to video the
meeting itself (non-social parts), we can either share privately or
publicly, depending (and I can always turn off the camera for a private
story, etc.)
17:25:53 <smooge> ok I don't have anything I would like to pose at the
meeting beyond the generals "What is it being used for? Where are these
people and how do we communicate with them better? etc"
17:27:29 <Evolution> certainly on the plan to ask.
17:27:49 <dgilmore> quaid: it has been
17:29:41 <smooge> ok so next EPEL meeting could we firm up on everything
that is going to happen then? We can work on a followup later
17:30:54 <Evolution> I might propose that we cancel the meeting for the
30th, as that's fosdem
17:31:04 <smooge> OK will do so
17:31:21 <smooge> since basically 3 out of 5 members aren't available
17:31:54 <smooge> #info 2015-01-30 meeting is cancelled due to FOSDEM and 3
out of 5 members being there versus available.
17:32:21 <smooge> #topic python3x proposal
17:32:43 * nirik has marked to look at that, but haven't had time yet
17:32:56 <smooge> so there has been a proposal on the list about how to
package up python3x items.
17:33:10 <smooge> I have only looked at it and went "wow.. thats going to
be a pain in the ass..."
17:33:58 <smooge> also followed by f*ck interpretive lanugages and "wtf
can't we all just use perl4 and be happy."
17:34:52 <smooge> so what I am going to ask is that the packages be built
together in a copr for viewing
17:35:27 <smooge> that way everyone will have an idea if it will work and
how it might not work
17:36:17 <smooge> nirik, dgilmore does that sound useful or waste of time
idea on my part?
17:36:35 <nirik> an example python and package could be usefull yeah.
17:36:53 <dgilmore> smooge: having osmething to look at would be useful
17:37:02 <ni
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9 years, 3 months
Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2015-1-16)
by Zamir Sun
Hi all,
The IRC meeting minutes today are available at the links below.
Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly
talked about Offline Activities, FZUG local repo and
so on. Please review the proposed ideas and actions.
The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2015-01-23).
Please come and join the discussion if you can!
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-16/fedora-zh.2015-01-1...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-16/fedora-zh.2015-01-1...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-16/fedora-zh.2015-01-1...
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#fedora-zh Meeting
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Meeting started by zsun at 13:04:14 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-16/fedora-zh.2015-01-1...
.
Meeting summary
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* roll call (zsun, 13:04:19)
* topic: Offline events (zsun, 13:07:23)
* topic: FZUG Websites and fedora-cn package repo (zsun, 13:07:32)
* topic: FZUG wiki page (zsun, 13:08:06)
* Offline events (zsun, 13:09:48)
* Fedora 21 Release Party Beijing is next Saturday (zsun, 13:10:20)
* ACTION: alick send out event announcement (zsun, 13:16:04)
* ACTION: tonghuix contact vendor to make F21 stickers (zsun,
13:16:15)
* ACTION: zsun reminder speakers to prepare for their talk (zsun,
13:16:52)
* FZUG Websites and fedora-cn package repo (zsun, 13:19:31)
* Copr server for Fedora Chinese repo is WIP. (zsun, 13:21:40)
* IDEA: Call for softwares to package when copr is almost done (zsun,
13:25:16)
* FZUG wiki page (zsun, 13:28:38)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh (story, 13:29:53)
* HELP: add contents to the wiki index and fix dead links (zsun,
13:31:55)
* open floor (zsun, 13:37:14)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=961533 (zsun,
13:38:41)
Meeting ended at 14:09:32 UTC.
Action Items
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* alick send out event announcement
* alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors
* tonghuix contact vendor to make F21 stickers
* zsun reminder speakers to prepare for their talk
Action Items, by person
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* alick
* alick send out event announcement
* alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors
* tonghuix
* tonghuix contact vendor to make F21 stickers
* zsun
* zsun reminder speakers to prepare for their talk
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* zsun (93)
* tonghuix (21)
* alick (20)
* tvvocold (14)
* zodbot (9)
* story (8)
* tonghuix2 (7)
* BadGirl (5)
* tiansworld (1)
* Pany (0)
* isyangxin (0)
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9 years, 3 months
Minutes from Wed. i18n meeting to discuss change proposals for Fedora 22
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com
Hi All,
We had meeting on Wed. 14th Jan to discuss change proposals for Fedora
22. Following are minutes.
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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by pravins at 06:00:43 UTC. The full logs are available
athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-14/i18n.2015-01...
.
Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:00:52)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-14
(pravins, 06:00:56)
* Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:02:13)
* 2014-12-09 Fedora 21 Final Release (pravins, 06:02:18)
* 2015-01-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline
(System Wide Changes) (pravins, 06:02:18)
* no earlier than 2015-02-10 Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide
(pravins, 06:02:18)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule (juhp,
06:04:56)
* New topics (pravins, 06:05:48)
* #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins) (pravins, 06:05:48)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40 (pravins, 06:05:48)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu
(pravins, 06:06:23)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish (anish_,
06:07:09)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont
(pravins, 06:08:27)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish (pravins,
06:08:32)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7
(pravins, 06:09:00)
* #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n
(pravins) (pravins, 06:46:15)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41 (pravins, 06:46:18)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree (pravins,
06:46:36)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver
(pravins, 06:46:42)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SSHD_PermitRootLogin_no
(pravins, 06:46:49)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Harden_all_packages_with_position-...
(pravins, 06:46:54)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_2.2 (pravins,
06:46:59)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F22Boost158 (pravins,
06:47:05)
* Open Floor (pravins, 06:50:46)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD
(pravins, 06:55:18)
Meeting ended at 07:04:41 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* pravins (114)
* juhp (35)
* anish_ (16)
* epico (13)
* paragan (7)
* mfabian (6)
* zodbot (3)
* tagoh__ (3)
* shilpa (1)
* fujiwarat (1)
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Pravin Satpute
9 years, 3 months
Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2015-01-15)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2015-01-15)
============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:27 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-15/infrastructure...
.
Meeting summary
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* aloha (nirik, 18:00:27)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:03:34)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:09:01)
* blockerbugs nearing rhel7/ansible migration ready (nirik, 18:10:35)
* LINK: http://play.grafana.org/ does look nice (pingou, 18:23:04)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:23:40)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:30:42)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 18:30:42)
* An App overview - koji (nirik, 18:35:34)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:58:26)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications (threebean,
19:01:14)
Meeting ended at 19:06:54 UTC.
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People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (124)
* threebean (31)
* herlo (28)
* pingou (25)
* mizdebsk (18)
* sborza (17)
* smooge (13)
* dgilmore (9)
* zodbot (7)
* tflink (6)
* michel_slm (5)
* mhurron (3)
* fale (3)
* webpigeon (1)
* relrod (1)
* mirek-hm (1)
* abompard (1)
* puiterwijk (0)
* abadger1999 (0)
* lmacken (0)
* mdomsch (0)
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18:00:27 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2015-01-15)
18:00:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 15 18:00:27 2015 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:00:27 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:27 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:27 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
18:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:32 * pingou here
18:00:58 <smooge> here
18:01:04 <webpigeon> o/
18:01:19 * threebean
18:01:39 * relrod here
18:02:55 * michel_slm here
18:03:22 * sborza here
18:03:24 <nirik> alright, I guess lets get started then...
18:03:26 * herlo here
18:03:34 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:03:42 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves?
18:03:48 <nirik> or apprentices with questions or comments?
18:04:10 * sborza raises hand
18:04:23 * fale is here too
18:04:28 * abompard here too :-)
18:04:29 <sborza> my ssh access may not be working now that i've moved accounts?
18:04:50 <nirik> sborza: it should have activated on the new account... we can debug after the meeting in #fedora-admin?
18:04:55 <mhurron> actually, management has moved from puppet to ansible, correct?
18:04:56 <sborza> seems lke the pub key is getting denied...i've updated the config based on: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/sshaccess.txt
18:05:04 <sborza> nirik: sure thing, thanks
18:05:27 <pingou> mhurron: is moving, yes
18:05:34 <nirik> mhurron: we are in the process of doing so yeah...
18:05:43 <nirik> we have ~50 machines left in puppet...
18:05:45 <mhurron> the apprentice wiki page has a workflow with puppet, is there one for ansible? or a page that details what is in puppet and what is in ansible?
18:06:09 * tflink shows up late :-/
18:06:13 <nirik> there's a migration page for puppet->ansible move, but yeah we should update things for ansible
18:06:44 * herlo blames tflink
18:06:48 <herlo> :)
18:07:26 <nirik> mhurron: I'll try and update that page, or provide info to someone else who wants to. ;)
18:07:39 <pingou> <hint> <hint>
18:07:47 <tflink> herlo: penalty for showing up late is being blamed for ... everything?
18:07:53 <herlo> tflink: exactly. :D
18:07:59 <herlo> tflink: it shows we love you.
18:08:03 <nirik> ha
18:08:13 <mhurron> thanks ... i'll do it if I can get the information
18:08:29 <tflink> huh, didn't realize it worked that way
18:08:37 <nirik> mhurron: excellent. Happy to answer questions in #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc, etc. ;)
18:08:45 <herlo> tflink: who better than those that care to give you a hard time?
18:09:01 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:09:11 <nirik> any application news, status or info this week?
18:09:12 * tflink will have to remember that one :)
18:09:31 <tflink> the last el7 builds we needed for blockerbugs have been done and are in epel7-testing
18:09:40 <herlo> nirik: woud new application suggestions go here?
18:09:57 <tflink> waiting on final review for application changes to support el7 but that should be done this week
18:10:19 <nirik> tflink: awesome. Happy to work on migrating it.
18:10:21 <nirik> herlo: sure.
18:10:35 <nirik> #info blockerbugs nearing rhel7/ansible migration ready
18:10:42 <herlo> I wanted to propose we have a look at d-note. https://pthree.org/2014/06/09/officially-announcing-d-note-version-1-0/
18:10:54 <herlo> This is what it does: https://secrets.xmission.com/
18:11:06 <herlo> and it's on github here: https://github.com/atoponce/d-note
18:11:15 <herlo> I'm working on packaging it for Fedora now.
18:11:39 <pingou> I've been mostly working on pkgdb2 this week
18:11:55 <nirik> herlo: interesting.
18:11:58 * herlo is willing to deploy and maintain it...
18:12:07 <pingou> to adjust it as discuss with rel-eng to migrate the new package / new branch processes to pkgdb (instead of bugzilla)
18:12:17 <herlo> of course, I'll need some ansible guidance. :)
18:12:34 <nirik> herlo: well, you need a few more folks. I am very much not willing to deploy anything that only one person works on.
18:12:43 <nirik> and we need to decide if it would be of use to us.
18:12:49 <herlo> nirik: sure... which is why I am bringing it up now.
18:12:51 <nirik> but yeah, packaging it up would be first step
18:13:12 <sborza> in that line, i'd like to propose we look at graphite-web for metrics visualization: https://github.com/graphite-project/graphite-web
18:13:21 <herlo> nirik: the conversation of usefulness is in the concept of being able to share secrets in a place we trust.
18:13:21 <sborza> as well as updating our (way out of date) collectd configs
18:13:29 <herlo> sborza: we use graphite at LF. It's pretty nice.
18:13:33 <pingou> herlo: your secrets.xmission link doesn't work here
18:13:49 <herlo> pingou: really?
18:13:51 <herlo> weird...
18:13:57 <sborza> herlo: a lot of changes happening now, would love to get this added to the EPEL repos too
18:13:57 <fale> it works on my pc
18:13:58 <herlo> pingou: it's https.
18:14:02 <pingou> yes
18:14:06 <herlo> sborza: indeed...
18:14:17 <nirik> herlo: can you also use that to make open ones that can stay around? or are they always destroyed on one view?
18:14:27 * nirik is wondering if it could replace paste.
18:14:34 <herlo> pingou: well, you can stand up an instance quickly. from my repo at https://github.com/herlo/d-note
18:14:42 <sborza> nirik: would be happy to work with someone to get this tested/integrated (re: graphite-web)
18:14:43 <herlo> nirik: no. It's not intended for that.
18:14:49 <nirik> ok.
18:14:58 <herlo> nirik: he does have plans for user profiles and such.
18:15:09 <threebean> sborza: I'm interested in it, but can't volunteer too much time. there's lots to consider.
18:15:18 * nirik notes we have a RFR process for these things. ;)
18:15:25 <herlo> nirik: and there's a possibility of allowing multiple people to see the note. Only each instance would be deleted upon viewing, I think.
18:15:26 <threebean> sborza: most of the work would probably be tied up in porting our custom plugins over.
18:15:39 <herlo> nirik: I just wanted to get a feeling if it would be useful first. :)
18:15:52 <sborza> threebean: fair enough, doesn't have to be asap but at some point soon
18:16:00 <nirik> herlo: sure.
18:16:10 <fale> It can create both private and public notes, but it missing the code highlight feature
18:16:27 <nirik> I'm not saying no to anything, just noting that we are very busy. :)
18:16:39 <threebean> sborza: first thing to look into would be requesting that all the components/packages get branched for EPEL7 (they already exist in EPEL6 which is nice)
18:17:08 <sborza> threebean: sounds good re: collectd...if we want the same for graphite-web should I do that myself?
18:17:21 <sborza> threebean: full disclosure, i'm part of the graphite-web steering committee :)
18:17:32 <herlo> nirik: as usual. Busy people are busy. :)
18:17:48 <threebean> sborza: cool ;p. yeah, I actually just meant graphite-web needs the branch requests. we already have collectd on el7.
18:17:55 * herlo is done proposing. The interest level is enough to get me started for sure.
18:18:19 <sborza> threebean: awesome, let's talk more in #fedora-admin (or #fedora-devel?)
18:18:40 <threebean> sborza: -admin works for this
18:18:58 <nirik> herlo: it looks like a cool thing in any case. Even if we don't have a instance.
18:18:59 <pingou> sborza: can it handle any apps, other than web app?
18:19:26 <michel_slm> sborza: are you planning to also package a prettified front-end like Team Dashboard or Graphene?
18:19:36 <herlo> nirik: right. The point I was hoping to make was that we could have 'locations' of trustiness.
18:19:49 <nirik> sure, could be handy
18:20:47 <nirik> ok, any other application type news?
18:21:04 <sborza> pingou: not sure what you're asking, example?
18:21:20 <pingou> sborza: we currently use collectd to monitor the load on fedmsg
18:21:39 <pingou> and on the queue of some application relying on fedmsg
18:21:45 <sborza> michel_slm: can do...graphene is awesome, metrilyx is decent and grafana is phenomenal
18:22:40 <threebean> sborza, pingou: those are the custom plugins I was talking about. I'm almost certain graphite's tools can handle those cases.
18:22:47 <sborza> pingou: graphite-web can handle a variety of metrics collectors, including anything custom
18:22:56 <pingou> cool :)
18:23:04 <pingou> http://play.grafana.org/ does look nice
18:23:07 <michel_slm> sborza: awesome, let me know if you need reviewers
18:23:34 * mirek-hm is late but here
18:23:40 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:23:49 <nirik> ok, on the sysadmin side... the usual stuff. ;)
18:24:06 <nirik> We got a few bad drives replaced yesterday. Thanks puiterwijk for working with folks to get that done
18:24:26 <nirik> I've been working on getting the new rhel7/ansible koji hubs done so we can switch to them.
18:24:32 <sborza> michel_slm: fo sho, will do
18:24:41 <nirik> smooge has been burried in hardware ordering and budget fun. ;)
18:25:07 <smooge> hardware is ordered
18:25:13 <smooge> s390 box is being racked
18:25:16 <nirik> we also got a gigantic spike in web requests this morning that saturated our proxies for about 10min or so. Not sure what caused it...
18:25:20 <smooge> qa boxes will be installed this afternoon
18:25:22 <smooge> I broke DNS
18:25:42 <nirik> smooge: thats a new s390 koji hub?
18:25:54 <smooge> yes. I am getitjng it installed in our new racks
18:26:05 <nirik> I really would like to set it up with ansible and in our normal machine setup
18:27:32 <smooge> I have no idea how the current one is setup
18:27:35 <nirik> Nagios has been very noisy of late... hopefully we can settle it down some.
18:27:47 <smooge> since the s390 is somewhere not in redhat
18:27:57 <nirik> smooge: well, when you get the new one installed, let me know. I can talk to sharkcz and we can get it sorted. '
18:28:15 <nirik> it's up in boston I think...
18:28:40 <nirik> anyhow, I want to get all the secondary stuff setup in ansible and in our normal processes.
18:28:42 <smooge> probably. I thought at one time it was at IBM but not sure
18:28:48 <nirik> so they have 2fa and get regular updates and all that
18:29:01 <smooge> I am fine with that
18:29:44 <nirik> Oh, I made a db01.stg instance... and moved some databases from the old db02.stg to it.
18:30:03 <nirik> there's still a bunch more to move. If any sysadmin-mainer folks want to do that, please feel free. ;)
18:30:42 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:30:42 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
18:30:52 <nirik> anyone have upcoming tasks they would like to schedule or note?
18:31:26 <pingou> fosdem and devconf in early Feb
18:32:13 <nirik> also smooge and I will be at our main datacenter in feb
18:32:27 <nirik> likely we will need some outages then... to add memory to machines.
18:32:57 <nirik> So, we have some time left in the meeting and I wanted to see about trying something new...
18:33:15 <threebean> oh?
18:33:20 <pingou> suspens :)
18:33:38 <nirik> I thought it would be nice when we have extra time to talk about one specific app of ours.
18:33:45 <nirik> how it's setup, what it does, etc.
18:33:55 <michel_slm> +1
18:33:58 <nirik> This week I could talk about koji or ansible... anyone have a preference?
18:35:20 <michel_slm> nirik: seems like you get to decide
18:35:20 <threebean> hm. cool.
18:35:27 <nirik> ok, I guess I will pick one... koji, since I have been working on it.
18:35:34 <nirik> #topic An App overview - koji
18:35:54 <nirik> so, koji is our buildsystem. It has several parts...
18:36:18 <nirik> a hub that runs a wsgi / httpd application - right now this is koji03
18:36:48 <nirik> a secondary hub (could take over if primary died) that right now runs some cron jobs and kojira
18:36:52 <nirik> this is koji04
18:37:17 <nirik> kojira is a process that launches things like buildroot rebuilds and the like. You can see it in the web interface... jobs owned by it.
18:37:36 <nirik> There's also a pile of builders. They all talk to the hub to get jobs and report on status and such.
18:38:06 <nirik> koji uses a self signed cert with its own CA... because it uses certs to identify builders and people
18:38:33 <nirik> we also have a squid proxy - kojipkgs02 currently that sits in front of the koji packages urls...
18:38:50 <nirik> builders and other things that download from koji hit that squid where it's cached.
18:39:00 <nirik> (for packages and most things)
18:39:27 <nirik> builders run the 'kojid' process. This talks to the hub, and identifies with a cert.
18:40:13 <nirik> Current koji (rhel6/puppet) uses heartbeat to keep a application ip on the active hub (usually koji03)
18:40:28 <nirik> new koji I am working on (rhel7/ansible) will use keepalived
18:40:51 <nirik> Storage for koji is a nfs mounted volume from the netapp.
18:41:12 <nirik> It has to be mounted on the hub and any builders that do newrepo tasks (but not on builders that don't)
18:41:35 <threebean> question
18:41:35 <nirik> Thats kind of the high level... questions?
18:41:57 <threebean> those builders that do newrepo tasks
18:42:01 <threebean> do they also do other tasks?
18:42:04 <nirik> yep.
18:42:08 * threebean nods
18:42:12 <nirik> koji has the concept of 'channels'
18:42:28 <nirik> you can setup channels for things and then tell it specific builders do those channels.
18:42:32 <threebean> so, a job submitted by joe-user can potentially get run on a builder that has write-access to the netapp mount?
18:42:55 <nirik> yep. It would be in a mock chroot tho.
18:43:02 * threebean nods
18:43:08 <threebean> cool.
18:43:10 <nirik> that chroot shouldn't have any access...
18:43:34 <pingou> !
18:43:48 <nirik> We do have some special channels/rules... there's some special builders for secure boot for example that only do builds of packages that need secure boot signing.
18:44:10 <nirik> pingou: yes?
18:44:20 <pingou> Are all the koji hosts el6 still? (can the builders be moved to el7 separatly from the masters? (Although I imagine heartbeet/keepalive might be the problem))
18:45:02 <nirik> pingou: most of the builders are now f21. ;)
18:45:07 <pingou> oh true :)
18:45:36 <nirik> all the arm ones, the buildvm and buildhw ones are all f21.
18:45:49 <nirik> the bkernel ones are still f20. I need to upgrade them.
18:46:09 <nirik> the buildppc ones are rhel6 I think... but we only need ppc for epel
18:46:53 <nirik> koji03/04 and kojipkgs02 are all rhel6/puppet. I am working now to move them to koji01/02, kojipkgs01 that is ansible and rhel7
18:48:13 <nirik> oh, there's also a db host... I already moved it to rhel7
18:48:54 <nirik> ok, any other questions? does someone want to do some other app next week? :)
18:49:47 <threebean> oh - here's a question. the new koschei service seems to be hitting koji pretty hard.
18:50:13 <threebean> is koji handling that new load OK?
18:50:18 <nirik> yeah, it has a limiter... I think it only ever does 40 jobs at once or something.
18:50:25 <pingou> .load
18:50:25 <zodbot> pingou: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
18:50:28 <nirik> yeah, perfectly fine.
18:50:31 <mizdebsk> 30*
18:50:54 <nirik> it's actually been nice when I had a problem with the f21 buildvm's... I could count on it submitting jobs so I could see if we fixed it or not.
18:51:01 <nirik> mizdebsk: sorry, my mistake. ;)
18:51:01 <threebean> ;p
18:51:08 <mizdebsk> and koji load must be <50% at the time of executing new build by koschei
18:51:19 <mizdebsk> all that is configurable, feedback is welcome
18:51:42 <nirik> .buildload
18:51:43 <zodbot> nirik: Load: 116.9 Total: 272.0 Use: 43.0% (Medium Load)
18:52:16 <threebean> mizdebsk: looks fine here. just curious about how its playing out.
18:52:16 <nirik> I think it's been fine. I haven't seen any issues with it.
18:52:41 <nirik> During mass rebuilds we get a nice backlog (submitting faster than it can build), but even then it chruns thru them pretty fast.
18:52:48 <nirik> we have 91 builders currently enabled.
18:53:06 <pingou> .builders
18:53:06 <zodbot> pingou: Enabled: 91 Ready: 78 Disabled: 69
18:53:26 <pingou> being used == Enabled - Ready?
18:53:42 <nirik> 46 arm, 27 buildvm, 12 buildhw, 2 bkernel, 2 buildppc
18:53:58 <mizdebsk> ready means load is low and builder is accepting tasks
18:54:12 <nirik> pingou: koji uses a loading setup... so you can tell it how much load a builder can handle
18:54:22 <nirik> when it gets that load or more it stops being ready to accept new jobs.
18:54:35 <pingou> ok
18:54:54 <nirik> % koji list-hosts
18:54:54 <nirik> Hostname Enb Rdy Load/Cap Arches Last Update
18:54:54 <nirik> arm02-builder00.arm.fedoraproject.org Y N 6.0/2.0 armhfp 2015-01-15 18:53:06
18:55:09 <mizdebsk> it's obvious that koschei needs hardware - there were plans to add new hardware to koji instead having separate pool just for koschei
18:55:13 <nirik> so that builder can handle a load of 2.0, but it has a 6.0 job... so its not ready currently
18:55:36 <mizdebsk> also during mass rebuilds i'm suspending koschei
18:55:51 <pingou> nirik: cool, thanks
18:56:28 <nirik> mizdebsk: I wonder if we could do something with out staging koji... (which is currently not working). If it got regular builds it would help us know it's working along ok
18:57:08 <nirik> just an idle thought.
18:57:30 <nirik> pingou / threebean: either of you have an app you might want to talk about next week? ;)
18:57:34 <mizdebsk> maybe stagging koschei could use it? i started playing with ansible setup for koschei, but i don't have access to bastion and such
18:57:35 <threebean> sure :P
18:57:40 <smooge> mizdebsk, you said there were plans ...
18:57:45 <smooge> have they changed?
18:57:47 <pingou> nirik: I might be able to find one, maybe two ;-)
18:58:17 <nirik> mizdebsk: might work. I need to fix the issue where it's not starting builders, but then it would be good to look into
18:58:20 <nirik> cool.
18:58:26 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:58:32 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor?
18:58:33 <mizdebsk> smooge, currently i've been told that there will be budget for new hardware if it's needed
18:58:56 <mizdebsk> but so far it wasn't necessary - afaict koji is handling current load just fain
18:59:12 <mizdebsk> fine*
18:59:14 <threebean> mizdebsk: would you like a 'koschei' cert for koschei, so it can submit builds as itself instead of msimacek ?
18:59:27 <mizdebsk> threebean, yes, i've filled ticket for that
18:59:33 <threebean> cool, cool.
18:59:53 <smooge> mizdebsk, thanks. I just wanted to make sure if I needed to put in an order before the end of the year or not (or prepare for boxes to arrive)
19:00:00 <mizdebsk> threebean, https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5941
19:00:14 * pingou gtg
19:00:20 <nirik> we really need to get thru more releng tickets in the releng meetings. ;) we will get there
19:00:25 <pingou> thanks for the meeting everyone, thanks for chairing nirik
19:00:25 <mizdebsk> i assume cert will be generated as part of RFR
19:00:58 <nirik> mizdebsk: yeah, we can get it sorted.
19:01:05 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone...
19:01:11 <threebean> A couple things I forgot to mention in the apps section
19:01:12 <nirik> will close in a min if nothing else.
19:01:12 <threebean> 1) A new release of FMN got deployed as promised last week. Lots of bugfixes and enhancements, but mostly a new set of nice defaults:
19:01:14 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications
19:01:15 <nirik> oh, go ahead
19:01:16 <threebean> You there's a button on each messaging context that let's you reset your filters to the new defaults if you'd like to test it out.
19:01:18 <threebean> 2) A new release of the-new-hotness got deployed to stg that follows up on bugs about real builds, not just scratch builds. There's a little more work to be done before we can put it in production. Should be done with that in a week or two.
19:01:20 <threebean> 3) We had some issues with FAS in fedmsg the past few weeks. Two of the fas servers weren't publishing any messages. Should be all fixed now.
19:02:21 <nirik> threebean: thanks for tracking that down.
19:02:21 <threebean> (heh, that's all.. ;p)
19:02:33 <threebean> np
19:02:36 <dgilmore> mizdebsk: its causeing issues
19:02:39 <nirik> I really need to redo fas01 too... but I want to try and confirm the cert stuff is all ok in asible
19:02:41 <nirik> ansible
19:02:53 <dgilmore> mizdebsk: we did some things to have java builds mostly go to x86
19:03:19 <dgilmore> mizdebsk: and because of the load of the tasks its not happening causeing complaints from the java folks
19:03:45 <nirik> dgilmore: huh... was this eclipse folks? or ?
19:04:01 <dgilmore> nirik: no. the people doing other java builds
19:04:04 <mizdebsk> dgilmore, koschei runs some tasks with --arch-override x86_64 because arm builders are not usable for java imho
19:04:10 <mizdebsk> that may be the reason
19:04:36 <dgilmore> mizdebsk: its causing issues
19:04:39 <nirik> ok, because one of the arm builders in the eclipse channel is down with a dead drive... so it's only got 1 left I think, making it slow
19:05:06 <dgilmore> java on arm is missing a jit so its slow
19:05:08 <mizdebsk> dgilmore, but this is really issue related to arm and java, not koschei itself
19:05:21 <mizdebsk> are there are any other issues with koschei?
19:05:33 <dgilmore> it is something that is going to need some planning and coordination
19:05:48 <nirik> perhaps we could continue this over in #fedora-releng? we are over time on our meeting. ;)
19:05:56 <dgilmore> mizdebsk: yes but koschei is breaking what we are doing to deal with it
19:06:18 * mizdebsk is fine with moving to different channel
19:06:49 <dgilmore> nirik: sure
19:06:50 <nirik> Thanks for coming folks.
19:06:54 <nirik> #endmeeting
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