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samccann's meeting titled "Documentation Working Group aka DaWGs" ended in #ansible-docs

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-10 16:04:31 UTC ==================================================== #ansible-docs: Documentation Working Group aka DaWGs ==================================================== Meeting started by samccann at 14:31:28 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-docs/2020-11-10/documentation_w... . Meeting summary --------------- * opening chatter (acozine, 14:34:56) * agenda https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/521#issuecomment-721211831 (samccann, 14:38:35) * version split and supplementary meeting (acozine, 14:40:05) * Thurs supplemental meeting minutes from last week - https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/521#issuecomment-721211489 (samccann, 14:44:05) * weekly Thurs supplemental meeting starts 10:30am ET on #ansible-docs to cover splitting the docsite (samccann, 14:44:51) * folks are getting confused between ansible-base and Ansible (the names are too similar) -someone somewhere might want to consider renaming one of them (samccann, 14:46:14) * removing docs files from Ansible tarballs (acozine, 14:49:15) * need to be careful on naming the docs package so no one confuses it with `ansible-doc` the cli command (samccann, 14:59:09) * LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AsciiDoc (felixfontein, 15:02:28) * rst were included in main tarball, we used to have downstream packagers generate htmls and the afformentioned 'ansible-docs' packages (samccann, 15:12:08) * AGREED: we'll build an `ansible-documentation` package so the documentation is available to those who want it but the main `ansible` package stays slim; when the time comes we'll build an `ansible-core-documentation` package also (acozine, 15:16:21) * first step would be to build the documentation package, get it published with new releases, and only then kick out docs from the existing package (felixfontein, 15:19:48) * sphinx extension (felixfontein, 15:21:47) * there's a PR in the antsibull repository for the sphinx plugin: https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull/pull/210 (felixfontein, 15:22:01) * extending collection docs (felixfontein, 15:22:34) * extending collection docs (https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/521#issuecomment-723579328) (felixfontein, 15:22:41) * LINK: https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible.utils/tree/main/docs (acozine, 15:28:03) * ACTION: samccann to followup on docs problems with ansible.utils - hey use something that is similar to module/plugin docs, but not officially defined by ansible-base, like https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible.utils/blob/main/plugins/te... (samccann, 15:28:25) * existing filter/test plugins can contain multiple different plugins in one file .. so the ansible.utils approach won't help (samccann, 15:29:44) * ACTION: bcoca to post link to his WIP PR for docs in any plugin type (filters/tests etc) (samccann, 15:36:32) * roles argspec is wip. see https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/72120 ... might be more prs (samccann, 15:38:38) * LINK: https://www.youtube.com/ansible-community (gundalow, 15:39:08) * LINK: https://github.com/sensu/sensu-go-ansible/blob/master/roles/install/READM... for example. (tadeboro, 15:43:13) * - there are competing needs/wants from a collection /docs folder. (samccann, 15:50:38) * it would probably help to involve all that are currently working on docs of some kind - galaxy, ansible.util, roles argspec, bcoca's branch, antsibull-docs (samccann, 15:52:08) * who/what will consume the files within a collection /docs folder? AH/galaxy-ng? docs.ansible.com in the future? ...gasp...access.redhat.com? (samccann, 15:55:00) * - what's the timeline for getting fitler/test plugins documentable and working with `ansible-doc` and how does this relate to wha `ansible.utils` is doing in their Dec release? (samccann, 15:58:18) * what is the timeline for the roles argspec and does it solve all the roles documentation needs, or will roles also want manually written docs within a collection /docs folder (and thus need subfolders which aren't supported today? (samccann, 16:01:22) * can we also support other manual docs, like scenario guides in the collection /docs folder etc? (samccann, 16:02:19) Meeting ended at 16:04:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * samccann to followup on docs problems with ansible.utils - hey use something that is similar to module/plugin docs, but not officially defined by ansible-base, like https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible.utils/blob/main/plugins/te... * bcoca to post link to his WIP PR for docs in any plugin type (filters/tests etc) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcoca * bcoca to post link to his WIP PR for docs in any plugin type (filters/tests etc) * samccann * samccann to followup on docs problems with ansible.utils - hey use something that is similar to module/plugin docs, but not officially defined by ansible-base, like https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible.utils/blob/main/plugins/te... * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samccann (115) * acozine (114) * felixfontein (103) * bcoca (52) * tadeboro (27) * zodbot (11) * gundalow (9) * tremble (4) * lmodemal (2) * dmsimard (1) * dericcrago (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-docs/2020-11-10/documentation_w... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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pwhalen's meeting titled "Fedora ARM and AArch64 Status Meeting" ended in #fedora-meeting-2

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-10 15:38:22 UTC ======================================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Fedora ARM and AArch64 Status Meeting ======================================================== Meeting started by pwhalen at 15:01:02 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-11-10/fedora_arm_... . Meeting summary --------------- * 1) ==== Userspace Status ==== (pwhalen, 15:03:10) * No new issues reported. (pwhalen, 15:04:58) * 2) ==== Kernel Status ==== (pwhalen, 15:05:08) * kernel-5.10.0-0.rc3.68.fc34 (pwhalen, 15:05:17) * LINK: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1639995 (pwhalen, 15:05:23) * Please test and report any issues to the list or #fedora-arm. (pwhalen, 15:13:47) * 3) ==== Bootloader Status ==== (pwhalen, 15:13:57) * Latest U-Boot available for testing - uboot-tools-2020.10-3.fc34 (building now) (pwhalen, 15:14:34) * LINK: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1640445 (pwhalen, 15:14:41) * Please test and report any issues to the list or #fedora-arm. (pwhalen, 15:15:40) * 4) ==== Fedora 33 ==== (pwhalen, 15:20:00) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-web/websites/issue/158 (pwhalen, 15:22:57) * 4) ==== Fedora 34 ==== (pwhalen, 15:24:48) * 5) == Open Floor == (pwhalen, 15:32:49) Meeting ended at 15:38:22 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pwhalen (37) * coremodule (17) * pbrobinson (16) * jlinton (11) * zodbot (6) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-11-10/fedora_arm_... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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petersen's meeting titled "haskell-sig" ended in #fedora-meeting

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-10 13:22:25 UTC ============================ #fedora-meeting: haskell-sig ============================ Meeting started by petersen at 13:01:46 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-11-10/haskell-sig.2... . Meeting summary --------------- Meeting ended at 13:22:25 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * petersen (8) * zodbot (6) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-11-10/haskell-sig.2... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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Renault's meeting titled "Fedora-fr" ended in #fedora-meeting-1

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-09 19:53:51 UTC ============================ #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora-fr ============================ Meeting started by Renault at 19:34:42 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-11-09/fedora-fr.2... . Meeting summary --------------- * Association Borsalinux-fr (Renault, 19:34:54) * Fedora-Fr.org (Renault, 19:36:55) * Marketing (Renault, 19:38:45) * Documentation (Renault, 19:40:49) * LINK: https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/openpgp-thunderbird-guide-faq#w_jutilis... (Renault, 19:44:01) * Traduction (Renault, 19:45:15) * Projet Fedora (Renault, 19:46:29) * Discussions Libres (Renault, 19:49:48) Meeting ended at 19:53:51 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * Renault (42) * Nicosss (17) * zodbot (13) * misc (2) * eseyman (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-11-09/fedora-fr.2... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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nirik's meeting titled "Fedora Infrastructure Ops Daily Standup Meeting" ended in #fedora-admin

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-09 19:17:27 UTC ============================================================== #fedora-admin: Fedora Infrastructure Ops Daily Standup Meeting ============================================================== Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-admin/2020-11-09/fedora_infrastr... . Meeting summary --------------- * meeting is 30 minutes MAX. At the end of 30, its stops (nirik, 19:00:01) * agenda is at https://board.net/p/fedora-infra-daily (nirik, 19:00:01) * Tickets needing review (nirik, 19:00:02) * https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues?status=Open&priority=1 (nirik, 19:00:03) * nirik out friday (nirik, 19:15:59) * outage for updates on wed (nirik, 19:16:05) * outage in stg today for updates (nirik, 19:16:12) Meeting ended at 19:17:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (45) * mboddu (22) * zodbot (11) * smooge (7) * fm-admin (7) * jschwart (1) * pingou (0) * mobrien (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-admin/2020-11-09/fedora_infrastr... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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jcajka's meeting titled "Go SIG meeting" ended in #fedora-golang

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-09 18:25:32 UTC ============================== #fedora-golang: Go SIG meeting ============================== Meeting started by jcajka at 18:01:20 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-golang/2020-11-09/go_sig_meeting... . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (jcajka, 18:01:29) * Open Floor (jcajka, 18:07:42) Meeting ended at 18:25:32 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jcajka (16) * zodbot (8) * olem (4) * alexsaezm (4) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-golang/2020-11-09/go_sig_meeting... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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pgreco's meeting titled "EPEL (2020-11-06)" ended in #fedora-meeting

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-06 21:36:44 UTC ================================== #fedora-meeting: EPEL (2020-11-06) ================================== Meeting started by pgreco at 21:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-11-06/epel.2020-11-... . Meeting summary --------------- * aloha (pgreco, 21:00:09) * Old Business (pgreco, 21:05:09) * EPEL-6 is End of Life in 2020-11. It will be moved to archives in 2020-12 (pgreco, 21:08:54) * THIS IS NOT A DRILL. (pgreco, 21:08:54) * EPEL-7 (pgreco, 21:11:57) * LINK: https://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/epel/ (pgreco, 21:13:45) * EPEL-8 (pgreco, 21:14:46) * General Issues / Open Floor (pgreco, 21:16:52) * General Issues / Open Floor (pgreco, 21:31:44) Meeting ended at 21:36:44 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pgreco (48) * carlwgeorge (18) * nirik (10) * zodbot (7) * bstinson (2) * Evolution (0) * tdawson (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-11-06/epel.2020-11-... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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kevin's meeting titled "Fedora Infrastructure Ops Daily Standup Meeting" ended in #fedora-admin

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-05 19:17:12 UTC ============================================================== #fedora-admin: Fedora Infrastructure Ops Daily Standup Meeting ============================================================== Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-admin/2020-11-05/fedora_infrastr... . Meeting summary --------------- * meeting is 30 minutes MAX. At the end of 30, its stops (nirik, 19:00:02) * agenda is at https://board.net/p/fedora-infra-daily (nirik, 19:00:02) * Tickets needing review (nirik, 19:00:03) * https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues?status=Open&priority=1 (nirik, 19:00:05) Meeting ended at 19:17:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (26) * mboddu (14) * zodbot (11) * Evolution (8) * fm-admin (5) * smooge (3) * pingou (0) * mobrien (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-admin/2020-11-05/fedora_infrastr... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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mattclay's meeting titled "Ansible Core Public IRC Meeting" ended in #ansible-meeting

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-05 16:00:54 UTC ================================================= #ansible-meeting: Ansible Core Public IRC Meeting ================================================= Meeting started by mattclay at 15:00:33 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-meeting/2020-11-05/ansible_core... . Meeting summary --------------- * Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/570 (mattclay, 15:01:01) Meeting ended at 16:00:54 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * felixfontein (39) * mattclay (28) * zodbot (6) * bcoca (1) * mkrizek (1) * sdoran (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-meeting/2020-11-05/ansible_core... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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samccann's meeting titled "Documentation Supplemental Working Group Meeting" ended in #ansible-docs

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Notification time stamped 2020-11-05 15:52:36 UTC =============================================================== #ansible-docs: Documentation Supplemental Working Group Meeting =============================================================== Meeting started by samccann at 14:42:17 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-docs/2020-11-05/documentation_s... . Meeting summary --------------- * supporting independent release cycles for ansible-base and ansible in the docs (samccann, 14:44:56) * problem statement - Ansible pypi package called 2.11 will release in jan/feb? and some time after that, ansible-base will release with a version called 2.11 (but a different 2.11) (samccann, 14:50:45) * LINK: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ansible-documentation-split (samccann, 14:51:47) * we may see more community users installing just `ansible-base` and the selection of collections they are interested in. (samccann, 14:54:47) * possible solution: one publication pipeline takes docs content in each maintained stable branch of `ansible/ansible` and publishes it as docs.ansible.com/ansible-core (or ansible-base . . . exact name TBD); a separate publication pipeline takes docs content from a specific maintained stable branch of `ansible/ansible` and combines it with specific versions of collections and publishes it as docs.ansible.com/ansible (acozine, 15:08:04) * this solution would let us maintain a single source for documentation of core/base features that appears in versioned HTML for both the `ansible` PyPI package and `ansible-core` or ansible-base (acozine, 15:09:21) * we may need to pull the docs publishing files out of ansible/ansible - such as theme, scripts to build config.rst, etc etc. (samccann, 15:22:28) * ansible-base users/developers essentially need everything that doesn't document something that isn't part of ansible-base (i.e. some filters and scenario guides) (samccann, 15:25:15) * LINK: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/72476 <= jic someone wants to poke (bcoca, 15:31:31) * The Problem: soon there will be an `ansible` package version 2.11; some time after that there will be an `ansible-base/core/engine` version 2.11; current documentation cannot handle documenting any features that exist in `ansible-base/core/engine` 2.11 but NOT in `ansible` 2.11 (samccann, 15:41:34) * The Opportunity: as we think about how to handle this situation, we can (and should) think about documentation personas - who will be using `ansible` package 2.11, and what do they need? Who will be using `ansible-base/core/engine` 2.11 and what do they need? (samccann, 15:41:53) * AGREED: - next step - take a stab at 2-4 personas and the top 5 tasks we think they need in docs (ignoring current docs). That will help us know if we have a two-way split or more ways to split the current docs (samccann, 15:45:46) * AGREED: we will meet at 10:30am ET on Thursdays to discuss the docs split for a few weeks (samccann, 15:48:28) * https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ansible-documentation-split is the scratchpad of ideas. Please add your thoughts there as well between meetings (samccann, 15:49:18) * LINK: https://hackmd.io/uKhHRhFUStG_bVNhY10cLQ?both (gundalow, 15:50:24) * gundalows scratchpad for personas - https://hackmd.io/uKhHRhFUStG_bVNhY10cLQ?both (samccann, 15:52:27) Meeting ended at 15:52:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samccann (95) * acozine (79) * felixfontein (25) * gundalow (11) * zodbot (10) * abadger1999 (4) * lmodemal (2) * bcoca (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-docs/2020-11-05/documentation_s... -- You received this message due to your preference settings at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications/fmnmeetingminutes.id.fedorap...

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