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Does ccache ever help with kernel mock build?
by Julian Sikorski 29 Jun '24

29 Jun '24

Hello, has anyone successfully managed to get ccache to speed up kernel mockbuilds, be it SRPMS from kernel-ark or from dist-git? I gave it a brief shot but saw no difference, if anything the build was slower. The machine I am building on has 32 GB RAM which is not quite enough to fit everything on a ramdisk, and the drive I am building to is an NVME SSD, "only" PCI Express 3.0. CPU is a Ryzen 5 5600x. A baseonly builds takes about 25 minutes, which is somewhat annoying when one has to bisect something. If ccache can speed this up, how big does it need to be? I understand the default 4 GB is nowhere near enough but what would be needed to actually help? Thanks! Best regards, Julian

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F41 Change Proposal: Switch to DNF5 (system-wide)
by Aoife Moloney 28 Jun '24

28 Jun '24

Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwitchToDnf5 This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == Change the default package manager from dnf to dnf5. == Owner == * Name: [[User:jkolarik| Jan Kolarik]] * Email: jkolarik(a)redhat.com * Name: [[User:jmracek| Jaroslav Mracek]] * Email: jmracek(a)redhat.com == Detailed Description == This proposal will implement several topics, which are outlined below. === Provider of the dnf command === This change proposes to switch the current provider of the /usr/bin/dnf symlink from dnf to dnf5. Currently, the symlink target is /usr/bin/dnf-3, provided by the dnf sub-package, python3-dnf. Upon implementation of this change, the symlink will point to /usr/bin/dnf5, provided by the dnf5 package. === Prepare the upgrade path === The dnf5 package, serving as the new provider of the /usr/bin/dnf symlink, will obsolete the dnf package starting with Fedora 41. Upon the release of this dnf5 package, upgrading the system or installing dnf5 will replace the existing dnf package on the system. Additionally, the dnf5 package will provide a /usr/bin/yum symlink for backwards compatibility and the dnf-automatic command will be obsoleted. === Feature parity with dnf === We aim to cover the majority of use cases available in the existing dnf package. However, there are some features that may not be implemented in time. Nevertheless, we plan to deliver them at a later stage. ==== Plugins ==== The progress of implementing plugins to match the current set from the dnf-plugins-core package is tracked [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/389 upstream]. Among the missing plugins, we still plan to implement: * debuginfo-install plugin * reposync plugin ==== Modularity ==== As support for modularity was retired in Fedora 39, dnf5 currently only implements a basic feature set for listing and enabling/disabling modules. === Background service support === A new daemonized service, dnf5daemon, utilizing the D-Bus interface, is prepared for clients as a sub-package. This will serve as an alternative or replacement for the PackageKit layer. Integration of dnf5daemon support into the default Fedora user interface, GNOME Software, is currently in progress === Documentation of API changes === The public interface has undergone significant changes to enhance the user experience and remove unused and obsolete code components. To facilitate user migration to the new CLI and API interfaces, a [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html guide] was prepared covering all differences compared to the interface provided by the existing dnf package, along with examples of typical use cases. === Deployment tasks === During the deployment of the dnf5 package manager as the new default, several adjustments need to be made both to the infrastructure and the dnf5 package itself. Some of these adjustments are detailed [[#Release engineering|below]]. To ensure synchronization and address all necessary changes, we've established an upstream tracking [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/1057 issue]. == Feedback == As this is the second iteration of such a proposal, we've gathered a lot of feedback from various sources during the first attempt to accept this change. === FESCo inputs === A [https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3039 ticket] discussing the reasons why the contingency mechanism was invoked for the first attempt of the proposal was opened by FESCo. It includes a list of items that are either incomplete or in progress. Below is a list of issues from the ticket that are still unresolved or require clarification on their current status. Other items not mentioned below are considered completed. ==== Switch in ELN ==== This should not block the proposal, as the current plan is to target RHEL 11. Integration can occur there after the proposal is implemented for Fedora 41. ==== Aligning configuration with the current state in dnf ==== All overrides to match the current state of dnf configuration will be provided to the Fedora release project, see [[#Apply downstream configuration overrides|below]]. ==== System upgrade and offline transactions ==== The implementation work has been completed and is already present upstream. We anticipate extensive testing during the summer, and we also plan to organize testing days for this purpose. ==== Dropping the Snapper plugin ==== In dnf5, we've adopted a new approach for implementing functionality that was previously handled by the Snapper plugin in dnf. We're introducing the Actions plugin, which offers more capabilities than the Snapper plugin, including support for running external applications before or after transactions and interacting with the dnf5 configuration. [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/libdnf5_plugins/actions.8.html Here] is the documentation for the Actions plugin, which includes examples of how to emulate the behavior of the Snapper plugin. ==== Messages from RPM scriptlets ==== An issue with output from RPM scriptlets is the potential length, coupled with the absence of a standardized policy for distinguishing between important and unimportant messages. Currently, all messages are logged in the dnf5 log files, with differentiation based on their originating scriptlets, representing an improvement over dnf. Additionally, in case of transaction errors, the scriptlet output is included in the standard output. Furthermore, there is already a resolved [https://pagure.io/koji/issue/4009 ticket] in the infrastructure to incorporate logs on the builders. === Testing days === We've already held several dnf5 test days for Fedora [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2023-03-14_Fedora_38_DNF_5 38], [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2023-08-11_Fedora_39_DNF_5 39], and recently also [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-03-15_Fedora_40_DNF_5 40]. We've made efforts to document all reported issues in our upstream tracking system, and major issues should now be resolved. Some of these issues were related to user documentation, improving command-line outputs, and enhancing overall user experience. These topics are next on our priority list after completing the functionality for mandatory commands and plugins. === Fedora QA scenarios === We've started a discussion [https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/requirements-for-dnf5-in-fedora-41 thread] on the requirements for accepting this proposal from a QA perspective. A list of relevant test cases and criteria has been mentioned, which we'll review to ensure we've covered everything on our end. === Fedora CI readiness === The dnf project is also deployed in the CI pipeline. We've initiated communications with this team to ensure that all dnf functionality used there is either already implemented in dnf5 or can be addressed through an alternative dnf5 method. We've already received some feedback from the first iteration of the proposal. === Tracking issue upstream === When implementing the first iteration of this proposal, we created an upstream [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/635 ticket] to track all bugs or lack of needed functionality. All items have been addressed, and only several known deployment issues remain, which need to be managed at the time of the next switch. == Benefit to Fedora == The new dnf5 will significantly improve the user experience and performance. Detailed descriptions of individual areas are provided below. === Reduced footprint === The dnf5 package is a fully-featured package manager that doesn't require Python dependencies. It also reduces the number of software management tools in Fedora by replacing both the dnf and microdnf packages. The installation size of the dnf5 stack in an empty container is approximately 60% smaller than the dnf installation. Currently, dnf, microdnf, and PackageKit use their own cache, leading to significant metadata redundancy. With dnf5 and dnf5daemon, which share metadata, this redundancy will be eliminated. === Enhanced performance === Loading and downloading repository metadata now occur concurrently. Package query operations, including processing numerous command-line arguments, have been significantly accelerated. === Lowered maintenance costs === Many functional duplicates in dnf were eliminated during the development of the new dnf5 package manager. This was partly because the integration of the original PackageKit and dnf libraries into the original libdnf library was never completed. Plugins are now included in the same package as the core functionality. === Unified user experience === Consistent user experience is offered to users across servers, workstations, and containers, as dnf5 is the sole package manager deployed there. Existing dnf, yum, and microdnf commands will be linked to dnf5, while compatibility aliases for essential use cases will be provided to facilitate migration. Configuration files will be shared among dnf5 components. API users will encounter unified code style and naming conventions. Various scripting language interfaces are now provided from a single source using SWIG bindings (formerly CPython and SWIG). == Scope == === Proposal owners === The remaining work on the proposal can be divided into several sections. ==== Feature implementation ==== ===== [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/1052 System upgrade] ===== This command is essential for upgrading the system to the next release. While the implementation is already completed, we plan to conduct extensive testing, including community participation, to minimize the risk of issues occurring in production. ===== [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/140 History command] ===== The functionality related to manipulating transaction history has not yet been implemented. However, following the completion of the system upgrade functionality, it is currently our top priority. Due to the significant overlap between the functionality in the history command and the system upgrade functionality, we anticipate its readiness shortly thereafter. ===== [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/169 GNOME Software support] ===== The integration of dnf5 support, particularly dnf5daemon, into GNOME Software is currently underway. Developers from both DNF5 and GNOME Software are closely connected and regularly synchronize the progress of their work. ==== Documentation ==== While our current priority is achieving full coverage of [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ user and API documentation], there may still be some undocumented parts of the code. Please don't hesitate to [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/new report] any such issues upstream, and we'll endeavor to address them promptly. ==== Early access for developmental branch users ==== The intention is to implement the proposed changes in the Rawhide developmental branch prior to the date specified in the Contingency Deadline section, targeting the transition period between March and April. It is anticipated that certain mandatory items for the regular release, as outlined in previous sections, may not be completed by this time. ===== System upgrade ===== This functionality is unnecessary as Rawhide operates on a rolling release model. ===== GNOME Software ===== Rawhide users will continue to utilize the current PackageKit backend connected to the existing libdnf interface until the integration of dnf5 is finalized. These libraries can coexist with the new dnf5 package on the same system. For more details, see [[#Different system state|below]]. === Other developers === The following components are already prepared for transition to dnf5: * [https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/78898 Ansible] * [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/66 Lorax] * [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/issues/894 Mock] Below is a list of dependencies that have not yet integrated with dnf5. ==== Anaconda ==== Migration to the dnf5 API will not be implemented at this time. After discussion with the Anaconda team, it was determined that there isn't sufficient capacity and time to complete the work on schedule. Therefore, the existing dnf4 Python bindings from the python3-dnf package will continue to be used for now. ==== GNOME Software ==== This integration is already addressed in the section above, as it involves collaborative efforts. === Release engineering === ==== Building with dnf5 ==== The Fedora infrastructure has been utilizing dnf5 for building Fedora 40+ chroots since before the Fedora 40 mass rebuilds began. This implementation was based on the system-wide change outlined [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BuildWithDNF5 here]. ==== Apply downstream configuration overrides ==== Starting with dnf5, distro-specific overrides of the default configuration values are implemented using [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dnf5.conf.5.html#drop-in-configuratio… drop-in directories]. Options with different values upstream compared to the current state of dnf in Fedora will be filed in a pull request against the [https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release Fedora release project]. ==== Update of kickstarts for image composes ==== The dnf team will prepare a pull request to include the packages for the new default dnf5 package manager in the [https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts Fedora Kickstarts project]. ==== Update of package groups definitions ==== The dnf team will prepare a pull request to include the packages for the new default dnf5 package manager in the [https://pagure.io/fedora-comps Fedora Comps project]. ==== Update of KIWI image descriptions ==== The dnf team will prepare a pull request to include the packages for the new default dnf5 package manager in the [https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions Fedora KIWI descriptions project]. == Upgrade/compatibility impact == === Running the upgrade === The dnf5 package will be installed on the system to provide /usr/bin/dnf, replacing the existing dnf package as it becomes obsolete. Additionally, the dnf automatic tool will be replaced by the new dnf5 automatic plugin. Below is an example of performing this upgrade transaction. <pre> $ sudo dnf upgrade Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:09 ago on Wed 13 Mar 2024 05:48:25 AM EDT. Dependencies resolved. ================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Installing: dnf5-plugin-automatic x86_64 5.1.14-1.fc41 rawhide 120 k replacing dnf-automatic.noarch 4.19.0-1.fc40 Upgrading: dnf-data noarch 4.19.0-1.fc41 rawhide 40 k python3-dnf noarch 4.19.0-1.fc41 rawhide 551 k Installing group/module packages: dnf5 x86_64 5.1.14-1.fc41 rawhide 599 k replacing dnf.noarch 4.19.0-1.fc40 replacing yum.noarch 4.19.0-1.fc40 Installing dependencies: fmt x86_64 10.2.1-3.fc40 rawhide 125 k libdnf5 x86_64 5.1.14-1.fc41 rawhide 991 k libdnf5-cli x86_64 5.1.14-1.fc41 rawhide 229 k Installing weak dependencies: bash-completion noarch 1:2.11-15.fc41 rawhide 360 k Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Install 6 Packages Upgrade 2 Packages </pre> === Binaries and symlinks === The existing dnf binaries will remain on the system and will be available at /usr/bin/dnf-3, which refers to the Python 3 version to which dnf was migrated in the past. Additionally, they will be accessible at /usr/bin/dnf4, which is a symlink to the dnf-3 script and denotes the major version of the dnf binary. This binary naming convention is also used for /usr/bin/dnf5, which will become the target of the /usr/bin/dnf symlink. Below is the output of the tree command showing the expected file structure after the upgrade. ==== Before upgrade ==== <pre> $ tree /usr/bin/ -P dnf* /usr/bin/ ├── dnf -> dnf-3 ├── dnf-3 └── dnf4 -> dnf-3 </pre> ==== After upgrade ==== <pre> $ tree /usr/bin/ -P dnf* /usr/bin/ ├── dnf -> dnf5 ├── dnf-3 ├── dnf4 -> dnf-3 └── dnf5 </pre> === Different system state === Though the RPM DB, which contains the database of installed packages, remains the singular source in the system, the transactional history and installed packages reasons in dnf and dnf5 is not shared, and they now use different formats. Transactions performed in dnf will not be visible in dnf5, and vice versa. Therefore, when concurrently using dnf and dnf5 on the system, packages installed by one of them as dependencies will appear as user-installed to the other one, potentially leading to them not being auto-removed later. While the history database is not migrated to dnf5, when running a transaction in dnf5 for the first time, an attempt is made to convert and load the existing system state from dnf. This should preserve information about the reasons for installed packages and prevent them from being treated as user-installed, requiring manual removal from the system instead of being seen as dependencies of explicitly removed packages. === Compatibility === While the majority of CLI use cases for managing packages should remain the same, the dnf5 API has undergone significant changes. To ease adoption, dnf5 will provide compatibility aliases for commands and options. Additionally, user output will differ, and we plan to offer machine-readable support for most commands. For more details, please refer to the section above. Applications encountering difficulties with dnf5 adoption can continue using the existing dnf CLI and API provided by the python3-dnf and libdnf packages. These libraries can be used in parallel on the system, but modifying installed software is not recommended due to differences in system state, as mentioned in the [[#Documentation of API changes|previous]] section. == How To Test == === Copr repository === [https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rpmsoftwaremanagement/dnf5-testing/ A testing Copr repository] has been set up with dnf5 already deployed as the default package manager. Instructions on how to proceed are provided alongside. === Quay containers === We have also prepared Fedora container images with the dnf5 stack preinstalled on [https://quay.io/repository/rpmsoftwaremanagement/fedora-dnf5 quay.io], making it easy to test in isolation with Podman. === Side-tag for testing === Before pushing the new dnf5 into the Rawhide compose, we plan to announce the prepared side-tag containing this new package publicly. This will allow interested parties to test it against their software. === Testing days === We are planning at least two iterations of testing days before dnf5 is delivered into Fedora 41. One will focus on testing the overall functionality of dnf5, with an emphasis on parts that were not tested during previous testing days. The other iteration will center around testing the system upgrade functionality. === Communication channels === Community feedback, including bug reports, issues, or feature requests, is highly encouraged. Our primary communication channel is [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5 upstream], where you can report [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues issues], participate in [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/discussions discussions], or even propose [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/pulls pull requests]. We are happy to review them. Issues specific to a particular version of the dnf5 package can also be reported through the [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&component=dnf5 Bugzilla] tracking system, which we also monitor. == User Experience == === Faster query processing === The processing of package metadata is now significantly faster. Executing commands such as repoquery to list packages available in repositories is now twice as fast compared to dnf. Similarly, operations like listing dependencies or parsing numerous command-line arguments are notably expedited, potentially saving users seconds to tens of seconds in waiting time for the results. === Consolidated and streamlined API === The API for managing packages, working with repositories, and solving package dependencies is now consolidated into a single component, providing a unified solution. The original dnf API underwent a review process, during which unused workflows and obsolete methods were removed, while improving usability for users. === Enhanced command-line outputs === Transaction tables now offer more detailed information, verbose scriptlet outputs are redirected and organized by package name into log files, individual commands come with their own man pages, bash completion has been enhanced, and numerous other improvements have been made. == Dependencies == === Owned by our team === ==== dnf-plugins-core ==== Installed plugins will persist on the system and remain functional using the dnf4 binary from the python3-dnf package. With the exception of the system upgrade plugin, all essential plugins are now implemented in dnf5 and are provided by the dnf5-plugins package or dnf5 directly. ==== dnf-plugins-extras ==== Installed plugins will persist on the system and remain functional using the dnf4 binary from the python3-dnf package. Porting the functionality to dnf5 is currently of low priority, and its implementation depends more on community involvement. The functionality of the Snapper plugin is already covered by the dnf5 actions plugin. === Requirements on dnf === This is the most critical category of packages as issues connected with them can potentially disrupt the system upgrade path. Here, we can split components into two groups. The first group utilizes dnf from the command line interface (CLI), and thus, they either need to adjust to the new syntax and behavior of dnf5 or switch to utilizing the existing dnf4 binary directly. The second group consists of components providing plugins for the dnf command. These plugins will remain functional using the binary from python3-dnf, requiring packaging changes to depend on this package instead. <pre> auter calamares copr-builder cpanspec dnfdragora etckeeper-dnf fedora-review fedora-upgrade kiwi-systemdeps-core libdnf-plugin-subscription-manager lpf mock osbuild perl-CPAN-Plugin-Sysdeps rbm rpmdistro-repoquery supermin system-config-language </pre> A tracking [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/418 issue] was created in advance to inform maintainers about the planned switch to dnf5. === Requirements on python3-dnf === Here, we can also categorize components into two groups. The first group consists of components providing plugins for the dnf command. These plugins will remain functional using the binary from python3-dnf, requiring packaging changes to depend on this package instead. The second group utilizes the dnf’s Python API, and they should not be directly affected by the change. However, testing is still necessary, and it is strongly recommended to consider porting to the dnf5 API. <pre> anaconda-core copr-builder dnf-plugin-diff dnf-plugin-ovl dnfdaemon fedora-easy-karma fedora-review fedrq lorax mock-core-configs module-build-service modulemd-tools needrestart policycoreutils-devel pungi python3-dnf-plugin-cow python3-dnf-plugin-flunk_dependent_remove python3-dnf-plugin-perfmetrics python3-imgcreate python3-libreport retrace-server subscription-manager system-config-language </pre> === Requirements on libdnf === These packages utilize the libdnf API and should not be directly impacted by the change. However, testing is still necessary. Tools that modify system software, such as PackageKit, may exhibit different behavior when used alongside dnf5 to manage the same system, as previously described. Additionally, it is strongly recommended to consider porting to the dnf5 API in this context. <pre> PackageKit copr-builder libdnf-plugin-subscription-manager libdnf-plugin-swidtags libdnf-plugin-txnupd </pre> === Requirements on python3-hawkey === These components utilize unsupported Hawkey Python bindings and should not be directly impacted by the change. However, thorough testing is necessary. Again, it is strongly recommended to consider porting to the dnf5 API in this context. <pre> mock-core-configs modulemd-tools python3-rpmdeplint retrace-server </pre> == Contingency Plan == === Contingency mechanism === To revert to the previous state with dnf as the default package manager on the system, the following steps would be necessary: * Packaging changes in dnf5 to remove the obsoletion of dnf and provider of the /usr/bin/dnf symlink. * Untagging the candidate dnf5 package from the compose. * Components that adapted to the dnf5 CLI must synchronize in this process and revert the changes to use dnf4 again. Proactive communication will be conducted similarly to how components were informed about the dnf5 migration. === Contingency deadline === Branch Fedora Linux 41 from Rawhide === Blocks release? === No == Documentation == === [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html Official documentation] === === [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5 Upstream project] === === [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html Changes between dnf and dnf5] === === [https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dnf_daemon/dnf5daemon_dbus_api.8.html D-Bus API documentation] === === [https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md Contributing guide for developers] === == Release Notes == -- Aoife Moloney Fedora Operations Architect Fedora Project Matrix: @amoloney:fedora.im IRC: amoloney -- _______________________________________________ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedorapr… Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue

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New Fedora Planet
by Pedro Moura 27 Jun '24

27 Jun '24

Hi everyone, We are moving Fedora Planet from the old (python2) software running on fedorapeople.org to a new application that is running in OpenShift. This new application uses information from the Fedora Account System to find blogs, so please make sure your account is updated. You can see the new planet at: https://planet.apps.ocp.fedoraproject.org/ To add blog posts in Fedora Planet you basically need to update RSS URL field at https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/ [image: image.png] We will also update its wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet when we retire the old planet We intend to retire the old planet at 2024-05-29 and this new one will start responding at the fedoraplanet.org address. Regards, Pedro Moura he/him/his Software Engineer Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com> pmoura(a)redhat.com <https://www.redhat.com> -- _______________________________________________ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedorapr… Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue

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Enabling RPM based sysuser handling
by Florian Festi 26 Jun '24

26 Jun '24

Hi everyone! RPM 4.19 added automatic sysuser handling [1]. In Fedora 39 this feature was not enabled right away [2] as it requires some care to properly transition to it. Also going back to 4.18 was technically still the fallback option during this change. I just noticed in an issue in the RPM upstream repository [3] that the sysuser feature is still not enabled. May be right now might be a good time to get this going for Fedora 41. I am happy to help with the technical details but would prefer if this effort was driven from within Fedora. Currently users are either done manually by calling useradd in scriptlets or using the macros in systemd-rpm-macros which is a sub package of the systemd package. RPM's mechanism is switched off by rpm-4.18.92-disable-sysusers.patch in the rpm package. This whole thing probably needs to be a Global Change involving a change to the Packaging Guidelines [4] and may be an Mass Package Change (although that might be avoided by changing the macros in systemd-rpm-macros to NOPs). Anyone interested in picking this up? I remember quite a few people being exited about this when it was announced with the rpm-4.19 Change. Florian [1] https://rpm-software-management.github.io/rpm/manual/users_and_groups.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-4.19 [3] https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/3073 [4] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/UsersAndGroups

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Remove old GPG keys?
by Miroslav Suchý 25 Jun '24

25 Jun '24

I just stumbled upon https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/400634/does-anyone-bother-to-remov… with the nice link to: https://blog.laimbock.com/2014/05/02/how-to-remove-an-imported-gpg-key-from… And I wonder: is it a good idea to keep old gpg keys in RPM db? Or should we automate the removal of old keys? Mirek

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[Node.js] Stepping down as Node.js Maintainer in Fedora
by Stephen Gallagher 24 Jun '24

24 Jun '24

tl;dr: I'll be stepping down from maintaining the nodejs22, nodejs20 and nodejs16 packages in Fedora, effective June 30, 2024. I will continue to maintain libuv. It's been a hard decision to come to, but I think this is the correct decision for me. I've been effectively the sole maintainer of Node.js in Fedora for nearly a dozen years now (apparently, I landed the first official package in Fedora on Dec. 18, 2012). It has been a long, long road. I first picked up Node.js because it was being added as a new dependency on a package I maintained at the time: Review Board (a Django-base code-review application). When I looked into it, I discovered that others had tried - and failed - to package Node.js previously, but Fedora's rules at the time were *very* strict with regards to carrying bundled software and Node.js upstream at the time had a build-system that pretty much only allowed bundling. It took quite a bit of effort to work through that, but we got there in the end and I was able to deliver Node.js 0.8 as the very first version to ship as part of Fedora. It's been a wild ride ever since. For a long time, Fedora carried a single version of Node.js - whatever was the latest version destined for LTS status at the time that Fedora version would be released. Then, along came... Modularity. As you may know, I was heavily involved with the design of Modularity. Node.js in particular was something I viewed as a perfect consumer of this new packaging mechanism: it gave us the ability to ship all versions of Node.js in Fedora (not just the LTS ones) in a way that could be packaged in VMs and (new at the time) container images without needing to modify the way the applications were launched. Sadly, as you probably know, the implementation of Modularity fell short of its lofty goals and has largely been relegated to the dust-bin of history. When it became clear that Modules were going to be dropped from Fedora, I took on another big packaging exercise: DE-modularizing Node.js. Rather than go back to the "single Node.js version in Fedora" approach, I moved to a hybrid approach where we would have a single "system" version of Node.js LTS like in the older style, but we would also package the older (and newer!) LTS releases in a non-default arrangement, similar to how Python packages are delivered in Fedora. I've been doing it this way for a few years now, and while there have been some bumps in the road around major-release upgrades, it's been overall quite workable. Recently, the Node.js downstream maintainers made some additional improvements in Node.js 20 to unbundle some previously-precompiled WASM code into their own packages which build it properly. This is great! Unfortunately, it has introduced some new issues with the non-default version in the release (as many of you probably saw last week). We sorted this out by temporarily re-bundling the WASM in the non-default versions, but this is really a stop-gap solution. It's not a huge issue, but it took a big chunk out of my week to get that resolved and in doing it, I came to an important realization: I'm burnt out. I took a moment to think through it and realized that I don't actually *use* Node.js anywhere anymore. I've been maintaining it for so long that it's become a habit, but I'm not a real consumer of it. I've sent requests in the past to fedora-devel asking for comaintainers, but I've never actually had anyone step up, so I've just kept going. So that brings us to today and my decision to step down. It's been a wild ride, but I need to step away and focus on other things. I hope someone out there will pop up and take over for me. I'm perfectly happy to train someone on how I maintain the various versions, but my time as a maintainer is coming to an end. I'll keep things going for another month, but after that it becomes Someone Else's Problem. If you read this far, thanks for suffering through that rambling journey.

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GIMP 3.0 in F41?
by Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski 21 Jun '24

21 Jun '24

Hi! I noticed that GIMP 3.0 is scheduled[1] for release in June. It'd be nice to have it in F41. Are there any plans to do so? Do the maintainers (Cc'd) need any help? [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/10373#timeline Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://fedoraproject.org Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic. -- from "The Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan

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GRUB2 rebase (from 2.06 to 2.12) landing soon on rawhide
by Leo Sandoval 19 Jun '24

19 Jun '24

Hi team, We (the Red Hat bootloader team) are completing the work of rebasing/reviewing/testing current rawhide patches, from GRUB2 2.06 to 2.12, so at some point in the near future these would land finally into rawhide. Once everything is in place, we would like your help to start testing the package and report any boot issue found. If there is any concern on this work, please let me know. Regards, Leo

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[SPDX] Mass license change GPL+ to GPL-1.0-or-later
by Miroslav Suchý 17 Jun '24

17 Jun '24

Hi. I am going to do the mass change of the license from GPL+ to GPL-1.0-or-later The proposed diff is in attachment. Affected packages: afpfs-ng alex4 arc atomorun bib2html buffer catdoc colorgcc curlftpfs cvsps dia-gnomeDIAicons docbook-utils e2tools echolinux flpsed fortune-firefly freeze gambas3 gemdropx gnome-mime-data gphotofs graphlcd-base gt5 hwinfo jed launchy logserial machineball meterbridge mirrormagic moon-buggy mussh netgen nethogs R-servr nss_updatedb nullmodem p0rn-comfort perl-HTTP-Recorder perl-Image-Xpm perl-Nagios-NSCA perl-Test-AutoLoader perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client php-lukasreschke-id3parser procinfo pwgen qucs R-biglm redhat-menus rocksndiamonds rpld rubber safecopy setserial sgml-common shippy SolarModel six stripesnoop system-config-rootpassword tcpflow trophy tse3 tunctl tuxanci vdr-epg2vdr vdr-remote vdr-scraper2vdr vdr-screenshot vdr-skinenigmang wipe xdialog xl2tpd xosview xteddy zisofs-tools Unless somebody stop me, I will do this change directly in dist-git after a week. -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCA Red Hat, Manager, Packit and CPT, #brno, #fedora-buildsys

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F41 Change Proposal: Anaconda as native Wayland application (System Wide)
by Aoife Moloney 14 Jun '24

14 Jun '24

Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicati… Discussion Thread - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f41-change-proposal-anaconda-as-nati… This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == Currently, Anaconda is still an X11 application, which we would like to fix and make Anaconda Wayland native application to allow us drop of the X11 dependencies from installation ISO images. However, this change is not just a simple switch and we need to do some adjustments during the path which will impact user experience. == Owner == * Name: Anaconda team ([[User:jkonecny| Jiří Konečný]]) * Email: jkonecny(a)redhat.com == Detailed Description == Anaconda is required to migrate to Wayland native application to drop dependencies from the installation ISO images which are deprecated. Package owners want to drop libXklavier from Fedora (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1955025 ) but also Xorg server from CentOS Stream and RHEL. However, this change won’t be just simple switching from X11 to Wayland, we also need to change a few things in Anaconda to be able to remove the X11 dependencies. This will have two main visible impacts listed below. === VNC switch to RDP for remote GUI installations === Anaconda has to remove ‘TigerVNC' which is used for VNC connection to be able to install your machine remotely with graphical UI. Reason is that TigerVNC is built from the Xorg server sources, so we would still depend on the Xorg server with this project. As replacement, we follow the recommendation of the Fedora Workstation to switch to Gnome Remote Desktop (grd) with a better protocol Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) which gives users better performance and security. This will have an impact on current vnc kickstart commands and kernel boot options of Anaconda. This will impact only the Anaconda installation environment (boot.iso). === Consistent keyboard control === Currently, Anaconda experiences difficulties in handling keyboard layouts in the installation environment, particularly on Wayland. Formerly, libXklavier was utilized by Anaconda to manage keyboard layout configuration, however, it proved unstable on Wayland. As a result, Anaconda has disabled keyboard handling during Wayland Live media installations due to unexpected behavior (refer to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016613 ). This approach may lead to situations when users encountering issues while unlocking LUKS devices or using user passwords in the installed system because installation was done with a different keyboard layout. To exacerbate the situation, there is no universally applicable solution for keyboard handling on Wayland systems, as Wayland lacks a unified API for keyboard management. It means that each Fedora Desktop Environment developed their own API. Unfortunately, the Anaconda team is not able to maintain a custom solution for each Fedora spin. Some Desktop environments started to use '''systemd-localed''' DBus API to address this issue and similar issues. The systemd-localed API seems to be the best approach currently, so we want to promote it as a shared solution for all Fedora spins. The plan is: * All Fedora spins and Anaconda listen on '''org.freedesktop.locale1''' and reflect configuration on the currently running system (might be only for Live media if desired) * All Fedora spins and Anaconda reflect their configuration to org.freedesktop.locale1 * In case Fedora spin will not support '''org.freedesktop.locale1''', the keyboard configuration of Anaconda won’t be reflected in the current system and the situation will be similar to the current Live Wayland experience All the spin owners were notified about this request: * https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/430 * https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG/issue/504 * https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/sway/SIG/-/issues/36 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278655 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278658 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278656 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278864 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278866 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278869 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278874 * https://pagure.io/fedora-cosmic/SIG/issue/1 * https://pagure.io/fedora-budgie/project/issue/4 * https://pagure.io/fedora-lxqt/SIG/issue/4 * https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/70 == Feedback == We have some feedback from the SIG owners for the keyboard handling (see the links above). We don’t have feedback for the VNC to RDP switch yet. == Benefit to Fedora == * This change will enable removal of X11 dependencies from the Anaconda which may result in reduction of installed software to the system when installing from Live ISO where ISO content is copied to the installed system (depends on the spin dependencies). * Switching from VNC to RDP allow users to use remote graphical installations which are more secure and have better performance . == Scope == * Proposal owners: The Anaconda team will implement changes required in the Anaconda project. More specifically: ** Switch Anaconda code to start Wayland environment on boot.iso instead of X11 ** Change keyboard switching logic to use systemd-localed DBus instead of libXklavier ** Switch remote graphical installations from VNC (TigerVNC) to RDP (GRD) * Other developers: Fedora SIG owners needs to add support for their environment to listen and use systemd-localed DBus API to reflect current state of the DE/WM or they won’t have support of keyboard layout switching in Anaconda. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12138 #12138] * Policies and guidelines: Yes should be done after the implementation (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/installation/interactive… should switch to RDP) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with the Fedora Strategy: == Upgrade/compatibility impact == This will impact only Fedora installations so no compatibility or upgrade issues. == Early Testing (Optional) == We will reach Fedora QE to coordinate testing approach. == How To Test == # Download any installation media # Run the installation # Look for breakages during the installation Testing should be especially focused on: * Changing resolution with ''inst.resolution'' kernel boot option * Test new RDP solution (API will be clarified) ** Password can be set to the RDP ** Username can be set to the RDP * Test keyboard layout switching works correctly ** On Live media, Anaconda should react on keyboard layout change in the DE and set that to the installed system ** On Live media, Anaconda should be able to set the keyboard layout changes to the live environment ** In the network installation (boot.iso) Anaconda should correctly reflect keyboard layouts changes so text in the Anaconda is written by the correct layout ** Check if specific keyboard layouts are configured and installed as expected == User Experience == The only visible change to a user should be: * Remote graphical installations will use RDP instead of VNC. * Anaconda will be able to control keyboard layouts in the Wayland environment on Live ISOs. This will improve user experience when installing Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE, Fedora Sway and other Wayland based environments. == Dependencies == No dependencies of this package related to this change. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Postpone this change to the next Fedora release. Revert landed changes in Anaconda if required. * Contingency deadline: 100% code completion deadline * Blocks release? No == Documentation == No documentation yet. However, there are a few PRs ready for merge for CentOS Stream 10: * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5463 * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5470 * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5485 * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5498 == Release Notes == TBD -- Aoife Moloney Fedora Operations Architect Fedora Project Matrix: @amoloney:fedora.im IRC: amoloney -- _______________________________________________ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedorapr… Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue

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