On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:53:26PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
- Python discussions are no longer at the same place as all the
other discussions (my Thunderbird). This is a big one for me. I cannot primarily use the Discourse web interface on discuss.python.org because I simply won't go there. I suppose that
I mentioned somewhere else around here that I use the Android "Discourse Hub" app as a way to keep up with this — I see notifications from Python, Home Asssitant, Flatpak, etc., even though I don't visit those sites daily.
I kind of miss this on the desktop. I wonder if a web app that does the same thing would help you too? As more and more projects use Discourse, that could become a sort of nexus for all of these gardens that Jonathan Corbet mentions.
- When I read the content in the web app, it does not mark the
related emails read. I can either read everything via email (which frankly has a worse readability than the web app) or go read it on web and than manually mark my emails as read. So far, this has been tedious for me so far and I repeatedly give up and mark the entire Python Discourse folder as read when the number reaches 10k unread emails. Even if I read everything via email, I cannot reply there so I still need to visit the thing in the web app to participate.
We have reply-by-email enabled. It is also possible to enable new topics by email, but that's vulernable to impersonation (and spam) so if we enable that there probably will be a moderation step.
- When I choose to use the mailing list approach, I can no longer
distinguish "regular" email notifications (somebody replied to my comment or mentioned me) from the rest of the email traffic from the forum. This will apply to others as well; e.g. when I send an email to devel now, I can CC people I know need to see it -- on Discourse I can mention them, but they might not notice that if they receive an email of everything anyway.
Can you use the Feedback-ID header to distinguish and highlight those personal notifications?
So far, when Python switched from mailing list to Discourse I've noticed this:
Once I participate in a certain discussion, it somewhat works, as long as I remember to go check it out occasionally. But OTOH I miss out almost everything I don't actively participate in.
Perhaps I am a greybeard, but I am pretty much scared of this change in Fedora.
You say we miss people now. I say we will miss them then. Unfortunately, I don't know how to solve that. Maybe my fear is not justified, but it is real.
Thank you. I appreciate the real-world feedback from the Python experience.
What about, instead of mailing list mode, enabling the Activity Summary email, and setting it to daily instead of weekly? That gives a reminder (and hopefully something interesting) but keeps the web site as primary for actual notifications and for keeping track of what's read and not read.