On 07/17/2013 05:16 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
On 07/17/2013 11:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 17.07.2013 11:21, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts that monitor /var/log/messages
We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back out of fear of breaking some third party programs
you could if you want
only journald is running -> write to "/var/log/messages" and "/var/log/secure" additionally to the journal a option in "/etc/systemd/journald.conf" to disable this
if a syslog-daemon is running leave "/var/log/messages" and "/var/log/secure" untouched from journald
so *if* you want you can keep progress without a large impact all the time
Except ... that would still keep duplicated logs on the FS. Removing the duplication is the primary reason for wanting to not install rsyslogd by default.
This seems like such a specious argument.
Note that the argument comes from the same group of people who pushed for mounting tmpfs on /run and /tmp.
My machine:
# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on tmpfs 3.9G 4.5M 3.9G 1% /run tmpfs 3.9G 4.9M 3.9G 1% /tmp
10 megs of *RAM* consumed.
My /var/log/messages is 12 megabytes at the moment.
These same people feel offended by "wasted" 12 megs of *disk space*? Please...