On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 09:11 +0000, Michael J Gruber wrote:
In any case, we have quite a fragmentation right now with the MLs, forum (discourse), IRC, Matrix, plus tickets on various platforms (bz, dist-git, pagure, gitlab) some of which offer teams and discussions, too. Choice is good, fragmentation is not because it makes it hard to know:
- Where can I reach whom?
- Where can I discuss what?
This is true, but I think it's interestingly worth noting we've pretty much *always* had the same fragmentation.
For instance, as I recall, back when I joined in 2009, we had:
* Mailing lists * Forum (fedoraforum - this is/was not official, but commonly used, and illustrates a point that if people want some form of communication, they'll use it, even if we don't have an "official" one; see also Fedora discord and Fedora telegram) * IRC (the addition of Matrix hasn't fragmented things much really, as IRC and Matrix are bridged in both directions) * Bugzilla * Trac (playing the approximate current role of Pagure issues) * Various platforms for "upstreams", like Sourceforge (playing the current role of Pagure source tracking, gitlab, github etc.) * Usenet (alt.os.linux.fedora. This is *still* around, and some wonderful genius whose hand I want to shake has set up a bot that forwards Fedora Magazine posts to it. The last post by someone other than a bot was from "nw", on January 20. Until today. Now it's from me!)
I'm not sure it's possible to achieve zero- or low-fragmentation. Fragmentation just seems to...*happen*. If you build one system that does everything it's too big and unwieldy and people use more targeted systems for 'simplicity'.