8:45 a.m.
Hi all,
Denis Leroy(1) has requested to be made a sponsor. FESCo will vote
on his request at the 2008-05-08 meeting. Here are some links to some
examples of his work:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250240
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=209144
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=206395
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=226414
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=205869
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441084
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-April/msg00518.html
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-August/msg01011.html
(1) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DenisLeroy
BTW, any Fedora packager that wishes to become a sponsor, can contact
me or go directly to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/NewSponsors
Later,
/B
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Brian Pepple <bpepple(a)fedoraproject.org>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BrianPepple
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9:11 a.m.
We (the sponsors) once had a mailing list to discuss nominations,
because we did not want to expose private comments on a public list.
What has happened to that list?
Ralf
8:15 p.m.
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
We (the sponsors) once had a mailing list to discuss nominations,
because we did not want to expose private comments on a public list.
What has happened to that list?
I believe we used to use the fedora-maintainers-list, which was shut
down in the fall. If you can think of a better list to use, I have no
problem with moving the discussion there.
/B
8:47 p.m.
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 21:15 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius
<rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
> We (the sponsors) once had a mailing list to discuss nominations,
> because we did not want to expose private comments on a public list.
>
> What has happened to that list?
I believe we used to use the fedora-maintainers-list, which was shut
down in the fall. If you can think of a better list to use, I have no
problem with moving the discussion there.
I thought it was cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org ? That's where
all the requests come in (still), and I'm almost certain that is where
the discussion took place.
josh
10:46 p.m.
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Brian Pepple <bpepple(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Cool. Let me send it there then.
Problem with sending it there (as the lone sponsor in 'fedorabugs') is
that the administrators don't get mail that's sent there (not sure if
that's a problem with cvsextras or not). I agree that such a
discussion shouldn't be held in public, however.
10:56 p.m.
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 23:46 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Brian Pepple
<bpepple(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Cool. Let me send it there then.
Problem with sending it there (as the lone sponsor in 'fedorabugs') is
that the administrators
Which administrators are you talking about?
This list was supposed to be only visible/readable to sponsors, not to
nominees nor to arbitrary admins nor to arbitrary readers.
don't get mail that's sent there (not sure if
that's a problem with cvsextras or not).
We once had the convention that all
sponsors were obliged to be
subscribed on this "list". I don't recall if it had been an automated
process.
I agree that such a
discussion shouldn't be held in public, however.
Sure. The purpose of this list
had been to vote on nominees before they
had been presented to FESCO.
Ralf
PS: I wonder if the fact no sponsors have been nominated for a very long
time and the fact we are discussing details of the nomination process,
which actually should "just work", is a reflection of the sponsorship
model having failed.
7:13 a.m.
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 05:56 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
PS: I wonder if the fact no sponsors have been nominated for a very
long
time and the fact we are discussing details of the nomination process,
which actually should "just work", is a reflection of the sponsorship
model having failed.
Maybe. Or it could also be a reflection on the fact that we don't have
a lack of existing sponsors and adding more isn't going to do a whole
lot.
josh
3:55 p.m.
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
Which administrators are you talking about?
The following people would not receive mail sent to
cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org:
bpepple,bdpepple(a)gmail.com,Brian Pepple,administrator,7
gdk,gdk(a)redhat.com,Greg DeKoenigsberg,administrator,0
skvidal,skvidal(a)linux.duke.edu,Seth Vidal,administrator,3
sopwith,sopwith+fedora(a)gmail.com,Elliot Lee,administrator,21
spot,tcallawa(a)redhat.com,Tom Callaway,administrator,38
thl,fedora(a)leemhuis.info,Thorsten Leemhuis,administrator,6
wtogami,wtogami(a)redhat.com,Warren Togami 砥上勇,administrator,55
Are you wishing to exclude these people from the process? I think not.....
This list was supposed to be only visible/readable to sponsors, not to
nominees nor to arbitrary admins nor to arbitrary readers.
I'm not sure what other admins you're talking about.
5:23 p.m.
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 16:55 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius
<rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
> Which administrators are you talking about?
The following people would not receive mail sent to
cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org:
bpepple,bdpepple(a)gmail.com,Brian Pepple,administrator,7
gdk,gdk(a)redhat.com,Greg DeKoenigsberg,administrator,0
skvidal,skvidal(a)linux.duke.edu,Seth Vidal,administrator,3
sopwith,sopwith+fedora(a)gmail.com,Elliot Lee,administrator,21
spot,tcallawa(a)redhat.com,Tom Callaway,administrator,38
thl,fedora(a)leemhuis.info,Thorsten Leemhuis,administrator,6
wtogami,wtogami(a)redhat.com,Warren Togami 砥上勇,administrator,55
You didn't list what they admin.
Are you wishing to exclude these people from the process? I think
not.....
Well, Greg and Elliot seem to have bowed out of the packaging
perspective a while ago. The rest, with the exception of Thorsten, are
in FESCo and would review and discuss eventually anyway.
I don't really care either way, but it seems that you're making a bit of
a deal over nothing :).
josh
3:11 a.m.
On 04.05.2008 00:23, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 16:55 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
>> Which administrators are you talking about?
> The following people would not receive mail sent to
> cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org:
> bpepple,bdpepple(a)gmail.com,Brian Pepple,administrator,7
> gdk,gdk(a)redhat.com,Greg DeKoenigsberg,administrator,0
> skvidal,skvidal(a)linux.duke.edu,Seth Vidal,administrator,3
> sopwith,sopwith+fedora(a)gmail.com,Elliot Lee,administrator,21
> spot,tcallawa(a)redhat.com,Tom Callaway,administrator,38
> thl,fedora(a)leemhuis.info,Thorsten Leemhuis,administrator,6
> wtogami,wtogami(a)redhat.com,Warren Togami 砥上勇,administrator,55
[...]
> Are you wishing to exclude these people from the process? I think not.....
Well, Greg and Elliot seem to have bowed out of the packaging
perspective a while ago. The rest, with the exception of Thorsten,
And skvidal afaics
are in FESCo and would review and discuss eventually anyway.
I don't really care either way, but it seems that you're making a bit of
a deal over nothing :).
In case somebody cares: I received the mail Brian recently sent to
cvsextras-sponsors.
BTW, if somebody want's to downgrade me to a normal sponsor feel free to
do so. There is afaics no reason for me to be admin in cvsextras anymore.
In fact I didn't even sponsor anyone for a long time and didn't do much
reviews(¹) or other work in Fedora. Thus maybe I should even be
downgraded to a normal contributor. But a good bunch of other sponsors
from the early Fedora-days seem mostly inactive as well. Thus a general
cleanup in that group (²) might be wise -- but on the other hand it
likely doesn't matter much in the end so might not be worth the trouble.
Cu
knurd
(¹) -- and the last one I tried was stolen by somebody else ;-) (no, I'm
not complaining -- it was no problem and the packages was fine)
(²) -- and in cvsextras itself as well -- there are likely a lot of
contributors in that group that left or are AWOL
3:24 a.m.
On Sun May 4 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
from the early Fedora-days seem mostly inactive as well. Thus a
general
cleanup in that group (²) might be wise -- but on the other hand it
likely doesn't matter much in the end so might not be worth the trouble.
(²) -- and in cvsextras itself as well -- there are likely a lot of
contributors in that group that left or are AWOL
Iirc everybody had to change his password to keep his account alive after the
transition to FAS2, therefore the cvsextras group should not contain many
inactive maintainers.
Regards,
Till
7:29 a.m.
On 04.05.2008 10:24, Till Maas wrote:
On Sun May 4 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> from the early Fedora-days seem mostly inactive as well. Thus a general
> cleanup in that group (²) might be wise -- but on the other hand it
> likely doesn't matter much in the end so might not be worth the trouble.
> (²) -- and in cvsextras itself as well -- there are likely a lot of
> contributors in that group that left or are AWOL
Iirc everybody had to change his password to keep his account alive after the
transition to FAS2,
Ohh, yeah, forgot about that. But that doesn't matter much afaics, as
users or an attacker could just reactive the account by reseting the
password -- at least that how I read the footnote in
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-March/msg00772.html
therefore the cvsextras group should not contain many
inactive maintainers.
Well, it afaics does, as
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/dump/cvsextras
for example still includes Jose Pedro Oliveira -- hasn't he left long ago?
Anyway: I don't care much; just tried to be helpful with my mail (which
was about a totally different topic). It's up to FESCo to decide what to
do with people that left with or without notice.
Cu
knurd
5:46 a.m.
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 16:55 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius
<rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
> Which administrators are you talking about?
The following people would not receive mail sent to
cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org:
bpepple,bdpepple(a)gmail.com,Brian Pepple,administrator,7
gdk,gdk(a)redhat.com,Greg DeKoenigsberg,administrator,0
skvidal,skvidal(a)linux.duke.edu,Seth Vidal,administrator,3
sopwith,sopwith+fedora(a)gmail.com,Elliot Lee,administrator,21
spot,tcallawa(a)redhat.com,Tom Callaway,administrator,38
thl,fedora(a)leemhuis.info,Thorsten Leemhuis,administrator,6
wtogami,wtogami(a)redhat.com,Warren Togami 砥上勇,administrator,55
Are you wishing to exclude these people from the process? I think not.....
It they
are sponsors, they should be subscribed - period.
If not, they should not be.
Ralf
7:02 a.m.
On 04.05.2008 12:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 16:55 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
>
>> Which administrators are you talking about?
> The following people would not receive mail sent to
> cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org:
>
> bpepple,bdpepple(a)gmail.com,Brian Pepple,administrator,7
> gdk,gdk(a)redhat.com,Greg DeKoenigsberg,administrator,0
> skvidal,skvidal(a)linux.duke.edu,Seth Vidal,administrator,3
> sopwith,sopwith+fedora(a)gmail.com,Elliot Lee,administrator,21
> spot,tcallawa(a)redhat.com,Tom Callaway,administrator,38
> thl,fedora(a)leemhuis.info,Thorsten Leemhuis,administrator,6
> wtogami,wtogami(a)redhat.com,Warren Togami 砥上勇,administrator,55
>
> Are you wishing to exclude these people from the process? I think not.....
It they are sponsors, they should be subscribed - period.
Just a note, it's no real list IIRC -- it's just a alias (at least it
was in the old FAS days; not sure if that changed with FAS2; maybe
someone else knows?). That IIRC creates trouble for some people with
advanced spam filter techniques.
If not, they should not be.
As I mentioned already, I got the mail and thus I suspect other admins
got it as well.
CU
knurd
7:18 a.m.
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 14:02 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 04.05.2008 12:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 16:55 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de>
wrote:
>>
>>> Which administrators are you talking about?
>> The following people would not receive mail sent to
>> cvsextras-sponsors(a)fedoraproject.org:
>>
>> bpepple,bdpepple(a)gmail.com,Brian Pepple,administrator,7
>> gdk,gdk(a)redhat.com,Greg DeKoenigsberg,administrator,0
>> skvidal,skvidal(a)linux.duke.edu,Seth Vidal,administrator,3
>> sopwith,sopwith+fedora(a)gmail.com,Elliot Lee,administrator,21
>> spot,tcallawa(a)redhat.com,Tom Callaway,administrator,38
>> thl,fedora(a)leemhuis.info,Thorsten Leemhuis,administrator,6
>> wtogami,wtogami(a)redhat.com,Warren Togami 砥上勇,administrator,55
>>
>> Are you wishing to exclude these people from the process? I think not.....
> It they are sponsors, they should be subscribed - period.
Just a note, it's no real list
An irrelevant implementation detail to users
(sponsors).
> If not, they should not be.
As I mentioned already, I got the mail and thus I suspect other admins
got it as well.
The point behind such list is to reach a competent and qualified
group
to evaluate candidates + to keep related discussions confident.
I would take anybody lurking on this list who does not belong to this
group (rsp. public archives of such discussion) as a severe breach of
confidence on whoever administers this stuff's part.
Ralf
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