1:39 p.m.
Hi guys,
I hope all is well.
I am writing in regards to something I had written about two months ago.
This in regards to the search engine.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055#trac-add-comment
I think we need to seriously fix this thing once and for all.
I am looking at designing a solution for us.
I however would like to start from the basics.
We will need to look at the solutions that are present at the current time.
This should allow us to critic and analyse them.
I will then take this issue into the meeting for voting and whatever is
decided is what I shall implement.
Kindly do advice if you have any pointers on this project.
I however must be honest and say it will take me about 2 months to complete
when i start because I have a day job elsewhere.
This does not mean I will not want assistance. As always assistance is
highly appreciated.
I hope this will be fruitful so we can close this once and for all. Or
should I say until we need a revision done.
Thanks,
Kind Regards,
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2:29 p.m.
Frankie Onuonga wrote:
I am writing in regards to something I had written about two months
ago.
This in regards to the search engine.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055#trac-add-comment
I think we need to seriously fix this thing once and for all.
I am looking at designing a solution for us.
I however would like to start from the basics.
We will need to look at the solutions that are present at the current time.
This should allow us to critic and analyse them.
I will then take this issue into the meeting for voting and whatever is decided
is what I shall implement.
Kindly do advice if you have any pointers on this project.
I however must be honest and say it will take me about 2 months to complete when
i start because I have a day job elsewhere.
This does not mean I will not want assistance. As always assistance is highly
appreciated.
I hope this will be fruitful so we can close this once and for all. Or should I
say until we need a revision done.
What about using a custom Google search engine?
https://www.google.com/cse/
3:01 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com>wrote:
Frankie Onuonga wrote:
> I am writing in regards to something I had written about two months ago.
> This in regards to the search engine.
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/**fedora-infrastructure/ticket/**
>
1055#trac-add-comment<https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/t...
>
>
> I think we need to seriously fix this thing once and for all.
>
> I am looking at designing a solution for us.
> I however would like to start from the basics.
> We will need to look at the solutions that are present at the current
> time.
> This should allow us to critic and analyse them.
>
> I will then take this issue into the meeting for voting and whatever is
> decided
> is what I shall implement.
>
> Kindly do advice if you have any pointers on this project.
> I however must be honest and say it will take me about 2 months to
> complete when
> i start because I have a day job elsewhere.
> This does not mean I will not want assistance. As always assistance is
> highly
> appreciated.
>
>
> I hope this will be fruitful so we can close this once and for all. Or
> should I
> say until we need a revision done.
>
What about using a custom Google search engine?
https://www.google.com/cse/
My notion has always been that people always want something that is made in
house.
I do not think they will take up something that is in a "black box" but I
might be wrong.
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3:11 p.m.
Frankie Onuonga wrote:
My notion has always been that people always want something that is
made in house.
I do not think they will take up something that is in a "black box" but I
might
be wrong.
Site search engines are mostly useless to me, and I know I'm not alone. Why else
would the ticket go untouched for 4 years?
Reasons against YASE (yet another search engine):
1. They provide horrible results. The Big Boys (G, Y!, B, etc.) aggregate on
levels beyond what one man can program in a few hours (no offense).
2. Most people bring up one of the Big Boys to search anyway.
3. It's another piece of software Infrastructure has to maintain.
3:32 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com>wrote:
Frankie Onuonga wrote:
> My notion has always been that people always want something that is made
> in house.
> I do not think they will take up something that is in a "black box" but I
> might
> be wrong.
>
Site search engines are mostly useless to me, and I know I'm not alone.
Why else would the ticket go untouched for 4 years?
Reasons against YASE (yet another search engine):
1. They provide horrible results. The Big Boys (G, Y!, B, etc.) aggregate
on levels beyond what one man can program in a few hours (no offense).
2. Most people bring up one of the Big Boys to search anyway.
3. It's another piece of software Infrastructure has to maintain.
i would not go with the word useless.
I also would not conclude in such a hurry
that is the reason the ticket has
gone un touched.
I think there was no one to optimise performance at the time independent
of the solution that was chosen.
In terms of the reasons your opinion is highly respected. I however doubt
it on horrible results.
I would kindly request you to have a look at what other distros have done.
I respect your opinions but I can not conclude in a solid way with them.
Sorry.
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3:03 p.m.
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Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com> escribió:
Frankie Onuonga wrote:
> I am writing in regards to something I had written about two months
> ago. This in regards to the search engine.
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055#trac-add-comment
>
>
> I think we need to seriously fix this thing once and for all.
>
> I am looking at designing a solution for us.
> I however would like to start from the basics.
> We will need to look at the solutions that are present at the
> current time. This should allow us to critic and analyse them.
>
> I will then take this issue into the meeting for voting and
> whatever is decided is what I shall implement.
>
> Kindly do advice if you have any pointers on this project.
> I however must be honest and say it will take me about 2 months to
> complete when i start because I have a day job elsewhere.
> This does not mean I will not want assistance. As always assistance
> is highly appreciated.
>
>
> I hope this will be fruitful so we can close this once and for all.
> Or should I say until we need a revision done.
What about using a custom Google search engine?
https://www.google.com/cse/
simple answer, its not open source
Dennis
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6:14 p.m.
On 31.10.2013 22:03, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com> escribió:
>
> What about using a custom Google search engine?
>
> https://www.google.com/cse/
simple answer, its not open source
Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets, no
(real) content age restriction. The same is valid also for every other
service/application which is solely based on generic web pages crawling.
In our case, we are the owners of the content, we know how it is
structured, we know where are the feeds with the pure content changes,
we can explicitly feed the indexes with all named attributes of the
content nodes and later use them.
IMHO, actually the first and more important step for us is these sources
to be specified on a wiki page, and to be glued index feeding transports
based on these source types.
Kind Regards,
Alek
7:32 p.m.
This will be my last mailing on this topic as I will not contribute or use this
feature in Fedora, but this reply warranted clarification.
On 11/01/2013 06:14 PM, Alek Paunov wrote:
Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets, no
(real)
content age restriction. The same is valid also for every other
service/application which is solely based on generic web pages crawling.
CSE is as full blown as a Google Appliance. More advanced than anything you can
write in Perl/Python/Ruby in a month. Site restrictions, keyword restrictions,
(real) age restrictions, autocomplete help, synonyms, image search, all of which
are provided through a XML API.[1]
In our case, we are the owners of the content, we know how it is
structured, we
know where are the feeds with the pure content changes, we can explicitly feed
the indexes with all named attributes of the content nodes and later use them.
But you don't know how other people on the web find and link to Fedora pages to
provide accurate page ranking.
IMHO, actually the first and more important step for us is these
sources to be
specified on a wiki page, and to be glued index feeding transports based on
these source types.
Good luck.
[1] https://developers.google.com/custom-search/docs/xml_results
11:57 p.m.
On 02.11.2013 02:32, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
This will be my last mailing on this topic as I will not contribute
or
use this feature in Fedora, but this reply warranted clarification.
On 11/01/2013 06:14 PM, Alek Paunov wrote:
> Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets, no (real)
> content age restriction. The same is valid also for every other
> service/application which is solely based on generic web pages crawling.
CSE is as full blown as a Google Appliance. More advanced than anything
you can write in Perl/Python/Ruby in a month. Site restrictions, keyword
restrictions, (real) age restrictions, autocomplete help, synonyms,
image search, all of which are provided through a XML API.[1]
Indeed. Don't get me wrong - I like CSE service for what it is good for.
It seems that I had not been clear enough with my English - Sorry!
Nobody is able to write a good, modern index in a month - lucene/solr,
xapian, etc, are all evolved in long, long years. Our task is a proper
deployment of one or combination of them, not inventing a new.
Why e.g. solr instead of CSE or dpsearch (which is opensource, and also
mentioned in the old tickets)?
Granularity: With CSE/dpsearch the indexed content unit is a crawled and
automatically processed Web document (I say Web document instead of HTML
page, because CSE handles many types). Not single BZ comment. Not change
comment in a spec file. Not Git commit. Or in the reverse direction:
Email, not thread (because we do not yet have yet archive page
displaying the whole thread). I.e. there are no concept of document and
subdocuments (in which most of our content belongs).
Attributes: You can not attach custom scalar/category attributes (the
base of the faceted search) to the FTS indexed units.
Please correct me if I am wrong about CSE with some of the above.
Fedora has datasources (bugs, wikis, mails, packages, docs, etc,) not
just sitemaps/pages, and they all talk about same things (common topic
hierarchies, common tag hierarchies, common authors). They form highly
interlinked virtual knowledge base.
We should start index the sources in their native structure now, to be
able to upgrade some happy day to full blown semantic search (when
available), which is actually what we badly need.
> In our case, we are the owners of the content, we know how it is
> structured, we
> know where are the feeds with the pure content changes, we can
> explicitly feed
> the indexes with all named attributes of the content nodes and later
> use them.
But you don't know how other people on the web find and link to Fedora
pages to provide accurate page ranking.
Personas: 1. Active Fedora contributor, 2. Fedora contributor, 3. Power
Fedora user/sysadmin, 4. Fedora user, 5. Potential Fedora user, 6. IT
journalist.
IMHO, at least for 1-3 the results ordering by recursive link-rank
valuation (Google page ranking) is more an issue than an advantage.
For 4 (also important) the relevant sets are probably: the docs, part of
wiki, ask.fp.o and might be users@. I don't know - not always
stackoverflow 'relevance' top resuls on a set of keywords are the same
as google with site:stackoverflow.com in the query ...
For 5-6 Google page ranking is probably the best, but they will use
Google instead of search.fp.o anyway (at least initially, latter their
more concrete queries would be more like 3-4 ones).
Kind Regards,
Alek
1:02 a.m.
Hi folks,
I trust all is well.
I believe this email will spark something so I will cc Kevin in it because
of multiple reasons.
I would like somethings to be clear from the word go.
I am not too sure where to start with this email.
I have combined emotions of extremely mad and extremely excited at the same
time .
First I would like to thank all those who have been kind enough to offer
their assistance.
I would also like to say thank you to those that have started brainstorming.
I am sure in sometime we will be able to see the fruits of our labor.
Now in regards to the reason why I am least amused today. I am going to be
straight to the point and clear with this. I do not appreciate a user who
is here to critic and offer no solution. I generally follow open source
ethics but if your job is to come in and critic with a lot of rubbish
opinions (yes I am referring directly to whoever posted that this is not
something to look into and even worse insist on it) then please don't waste
your time. Keep off this thread.
It does not amuse me to the slightest bit when criticism is given with no
solution. I understand when someone makes a mistake. I also understand when
someone has a valid point.
I do not understand when you give an opinion with a solution being you will
never use the service.
You can not rate something before use.
I would also advice you have a look at the mailing list guidelines so that
you are up to speed.
The best of minds are probably here with us, people do not mention who they
work for but trust me they are here. Fine we admit google is miles ahead. I
personally know they took time to get there.
I also have read their papers and there are open source solutions that have
been mentioned earlier (Apache lucene/sol) that try and mimic this. Seeing
it is for our use , which in my opinion is small I think it is a great
start.
Third, free and open source is all that is used here. simple.
I would therefore proceed to mention, if you are not contributing in a
positive way, be kind to the world. We do not have super cow abilities.
Kind Regards,
Onuonga Frankie
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Alek Paunov <alex(a)declera.com> wrote:
On 02.11.2013 02:32, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> This will be my last mailing on this topic as I will not contribute or
> use this feature in Fedora, but this reply warranted clarification.
>
> On 11/01/2013 06:14 PM, Alek Paunov wrote:
>
>> Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets, no (real)
>> content age restriction. The same is valid also for every other
>> service/application which is solely based on generic web pages crawling.
>>
>
> CSE is as full blown as a Google Appliance. More advanced than anything
> you can write in Perl/Python/Ruby in a month. Site restrictions, keyword
> restrictions, (real) age restrictions, autocomplete help, synonyms,
> image search, all of which are provided through a XML API.[1]
>
>
Indeed. Don't get me wrong - I like CSE service for what it is good for.
It seems that I had not been clear enough with my English - Sorry!
Nobody is able to write a good, modern index in a month - lucene/solr,
xapian, etc, are all evolved in long, long years. Our task is a proper
deployment of one or combination of them, not inventing a new.
Why e.g. solr instead of CSE or dpsearch (which is opensource, and also
mentioned in the old tickets)?
Granularity: With CSE/dpsearch the indexed content unit is a crawled and
automatically processed Web document (I say Web document instead of HTML
page, because CSE handles many types). Not single BZ comment. Not change
comment in a spec file. Not Git commit. Or in the reverse direction: Email,
not thread (because we do not yet have yet archive page displaying the
whole thread). I.e. there are no concept of document and subdocuments (in
which most of our content belongs).
Attributes: You can not attach custom scalar/category attributes (the base
of the faceted search) to the FTS indexed units.
Please correct me if I am wrong about CSE with some of the above.
Fedora has datasources (bugs, wikis, mails, packages, docs, etc,) not just
sitemaps/pages, and they all talk about same things (common topic
hierarchies, common tag hierarchies, common authors). They form highly
interlinked virtual knowledge base.
We should start index the sources in their native structure now, to be
able to upgrade some happy day to full blown semantic search (when
available), which is actually what we badly need.
In our case, we are the owners of the content, we know how it is
>> structured, we
>> know where are the feeds with the pure content changes, we can
>> explicitly feed
>> the indexes with all named attributes of the content nodes and later
>> use them.
>>
>
> But you don't know how other people on the web find and link to Fedora
> pages to provide accurate page ranking.
>
>
Personas: 1. Active Fedora contributor, 2. Fedora contributor, 3. Power
Fedora user/sysadmin, 4. Fedora user, 5. Potential Fedora user, 6. IT
journalist.
IMHO, at least for 1-3 the results ordering by recursive link-rank
valuation (Google page ranking) is more an issue than an advantage.
For 4 (also important) the relevant sets are probably: the docs, part of
wiki, ask.fp.o and might be users@. I don't know - not always
stackoverflow 'relevance' top resuls on a set of keywords are the same as
google with site:stackoverflow.com in the query ...
For 5-6 Google page ranking is probably the best, but they will use Google
instead of search.fp.o anyway (at least initially, latter their more
concrete queries would be more like 3-4 ones).
Kind Regards,
Alek
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4:23 a.m.
I'm mentioning it just because nobody has so far. Elastic Search[1]
which is also lucene-based, was designed from the very beginning to be
distributed (in contrast to solr). The product hasn't reached the symbolic
1.0 yet but is production-ready (for instance github[2] uses it).
Dridi
[1] http://www.elasticsearch.org/
[2] https://github.com/blog/1381-a-whole-new-code-search
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Frankie Onuonga
<frankie.onuonga(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I trust all is well.
I believe this email will spark something so I will cc Kevin in it because
of multiple reasons.
I would like somethings to be clear from the word go.
I am not too sure where to start with this email.
I have combined emotions of extremely mad and extremely excited at the same
time .
First I would like to thank all those who have been kind enough to offer
their assistance.
I would also like to say thank you to those that have started brainstorming.
I am sure in sometime we will be able to see the fruits of our labor.
Now in regards to the reason why I am least amused today. I am going to be
straight to the point and clear with this. I do not appreciate a user who is
here to critic and offer no solution. I generally follow open source ethics
but if your job is to come in and critic with a lot of rubbish opinions
(yes I am referring directly to whoever posted that this is not something to
look into and even worse insist on it) then please don't waste your time.
Keep off this thread.
It does not amuse me to the slightest bit when criticism is given with no
solution. I understand when someone makes a mistake. I also understand when
someone has a valid point.
I do not understand when you give an opinion with a solution being you will
never use the service.
You can not rate something before use.
I would also advice you have a look at the mailing list guidelines so that
you are up to speed.
The best of minds are probably here with us, people do not mention who they
work for but trust me they are here. Fine we admit google is miles ahead. I
personally know they took time to get there.
I also have read their papers and there are open source solutions that have
been mentioned earlier (Apache lucene/sol) that try and mimic this. Seeing
it is for our use , which in my opinion is small I think it is a great
start.
Third, free and open source is all that is used here. simple.
I would therefore proceed to mention, if you are not contributing in a
positive way, be kind to the world. We do not have super cow abilities.
Kind Regards,
Onuonga Frankie
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Alek Paunov <alex(a)declera.com> wrote:
>
> On 02.11.2013 02:32, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>>
>> This will be my last mailing on this topic as I will not contribute or
>> use this feature in Fedora, but this reply warranted clarification.
>>
>> On 11/01/2013 06:14 PM, Alek Paunov wrote:
>>>
>>> Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets, no
>>> (real)
>>> content age restriction. The same is valid also for every other
>>> service/application which is solely based on generic web pages crawling.
>>
>>
>> CSE is as full blown as a Google Appliance. More advanced than anything
>> you can write in Perl/Python/Ruby in a month. Site restrictions, keyword
>> restrictions, (real) age restrictions, autocomplete help, synonyms,
>> image search, all of which are provided through a XML API.[1]
>>
>
> Indeed. Don't get me wrong - I like CSE service for what it is good for.
> It seems that I had not been clear enough with my English - Sorry!
>
> Nobody is able to write a good, modern index in a month - lucene/solr,
> xapian, etc, are all evolved in long, long years. Our task is a proper
> deployment of one or combination of them, not inventing a new.
>
> Why e.g. solr instead of CSE or dpsearch (which is opensource, and also
> mentioned in the old tickets)?
>
> Granularity: With CSE/dpsearch the indexed content unit is a crawled and
> automatically processed Web document (I say Web document instead of HTML
> page, because CSE handles many types). Not single BZ comment. Not change
> comment in a spec file. Not Git commit. Or in the reverse direction: Email,
> not thread (because we do not yet have yet archive page displaying the whole
> thread). I.e. there are no concept of document and subdocuments (in which
> most of our content belongs).
>
> Attributes: You can not attach custom scalar/category attributes (the base
> of the faceted search) to the FTS indexed units.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong about CSE with some of the above.
>
> Fedora has datasources (bugs, wikis, mails, packages, docs, etc,) not just
> sitemaps/pages, and they all talk about same things (common topic
> hierarchies, common tag hierarchies, common authors). They form highly
> interlinked virtual knowledge base.
>
> We should start index the sources in their native structure now, to be
> able to upgrade some happy day to full blown semantic search (when
> available), which is actually what we badly need.
>
>
>>> In our case, we are the owners of the content, we know how it is
>>> structured, we
>>> know where are the feeds with the pure content changes, we can
>>> explicitly feed
>>> the indexes with all named attributes of the content nodes and later
>>> use them.
>>
>>
>> But you don't know how other people on the web find and link to Fedora
>> pages to provide accurate page ranking.
>>
>
> Personas: 1. Active Fedora contributor, 2. Fedora contributor, 3. Power
> Fedora user/sysadmin, 4. Fedora user, 5. Potential Fedora user, 6. IT
> journalist.
>
> IMHO, at least for 1-3 the results ordering by recursive link-rank
> valuation (Google page ranking) is more an issue than an advantage.
>
> For 4 (also important) the relevant sets are probably: the docs, part of
> wiki, ask.fp.o and might be users@. I don't know - not always stackoverflow
> 'relevance' top resuls on a set of keywords are the same as google with
> site:stackoverflow.com in the query ...
>
> For 5-6 Google page ranking is probably the best, but they will use Google
> instead of search.fp.o anyway (at least initially, latter their more
> concrete queries would be more like 3-4 ones).
>
> Kind Regards,
> Alek
>
>
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1:40 p.m.
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:02:57 +0000
Frankie Onuonga <frankie.onuonga(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I trust all is well.
I believe this email will spark something so I will cc Kevin in it
because of multiple reasons.
I would like somethings to be clear from the word go.
I am not too sure where to start with this email.
I have combined emotions of extremely mad and extremely excited at
the same time .
First I would like to thank all those who have been kind enough to
offer their assistance.
I would also like to say thank you to those that have started
brainstorming. I am sure in sometime we will be able to see the
fruits of our labor.
Now in regards to the reason why I am least amused today. I am going
to be straight to the point and clear with this. I do not appreciate
a user who is here to critic and offer no solution. I generally
follow open source ethics but if your job is to come in and critic
with a lot of rubbish opinions (yes I am referring directly to
whoever posted that this is not something to look into and even worse
insist on it) then please don't waste your time. Keep off this thread.
IMHO, Don't let folks get you mad, just simply move on if there's no
constructive input from someone. Life is too short to be mad. :)
On the other hand, even people who don't suggest a solution can quite
often provide feedback on the proposed solutions that could be of help.
I'd suggest we look at revamping the wiki pages and making sure the
requirements there are clear and still ones we want.
kevin
10:05 p.m.
On Wed, 30 Oct, 2013 at 19:29:25 GMT, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
What about using a custom Google search engine?
https://www.google.com/cse/
Google is having more and more privacy issues lately. Why not use
DuckDuckGo and write a 'bang' search for fedora sites?
!fedora-guidelines, !fedora-package !fedora-wiki, etc.?
--Ben
11:22 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Ben Boeckel <mathstuf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct, 2013 at 19:29:25 GMT, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> What about using a custom Google search engine?
>
> https://www.google.com/cse/
Google is having more and more privacy issues lately. Why not use
DuckDuckGo and write a 'bang' search for fedora sites?
!fedora-guidelines, !fedora-package !fedora-wiki, etc.?
I think this goes back to the concept of having something that we can do
for ourselves. Something that we can take in and manage on our own. Sure,
at first it will be a lot of heavy lifting but this is not something I
mind. It has to be done.
I think we really just need to look into tools that are free and open
source and then move forward.
However, as mentioned before this is my opinion. The more criticised the
better. If we(the community at large) do not mind, can we proceed to look
at various tools.
Thanks .
--Ben
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6:03 a.m.
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 04:22:33 +0000
Frankie Onuonga <frankie.onuonga(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think this goes back to the concept of having something that we
can do for ourselves.
It is a nice to have concept.
But Fedora users (even new ones) will use whatever "search engine"
they are comfortable\familiar with.
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6:11 a.m.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 04:22:33 +0000
Frankie Onuonga <frankie.onuonga(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think this goes back to the concept of having something that we
> can do for ourselves.
It is a nice to have concept.
But Fedora users (even new ones) will use whatever "search engine"
they are comfortable\familiar with.
Thanks for this.
The idea is that we create something simple.
I am not suggesting design from scratch .
I am looking into an open source solution that I can implement.
We currently have one but it is slow and to be honest a little frustrating
in my opinion.
In regards to this kindly have a look at the ticket I had linked in the
earlier posts.
good day/night.
Kind Regards,
Frankie Onuonga.
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5:51 a.m.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Ben Boeckel <mathstuf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct, 2013 at 19:29:25 GMT, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> What about using a custom Google search engine?
>
> https://www.google.com/cse/
Google is having more and more privacy issues lately. Why not use
DuckDuckGo and write a 'bang' search for fedora sites?
!fedora-guidelines, !fedora-package !fedora-wiki, etc.?
This has been discussed to death, please go an read the previous
threads on at least the Board Advisory list. The fact is that it's
very unlikely that with the likes of the NSA that DDGs any better than
any of the others and it uses the others underneath.
Peter
7:30 a.m.
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 10:51:07 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Ben Boeckel
<mathstuf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Google is having more and more privacy issues lately. Why not use
> DuckDuckGo and write a 'bang' search for fedora sites?
> !fedora-guidelines, !fedora-package !fedora-wiki, etc.?
This has been discussed to death, please go an read the previous
threads on at least the Board Advisory list.
Sorry, I'll update my list here. Is there a dead-horses@ list to keep
up-to-date on these? ;)
*shrug* It was mainly a "if you're using an external search engine, I'd
rather see DDG than Google backing it" comment.
The fact is that it's very unlikely that with the likes of the
NSA
that DDGs any better than any of the others and it uses the others
underneath.
In re the NSA, it's probably best to treat them as an APT. I'm more
worried about limiting the damage and making it as hard as possible for
them[1]. As for DDG using the others, I'm less worried about it since it
then gets attributed to DDG, not me (though I'm sure the other search
engines could still track if they really wanted). I also think DDG
doesn't use Google by default (mainly Yahoo! and Bing), but with bang
searches, you don't even hit the other engines at all.
--Ben
[1]Yes, I know I'm using gmail...it's on the TODO list :/ .
5:56 a.m.
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 03:05:16 +0000 (UTC)
Ben Boeckel <mathstuf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Google is having more and more privacy issues lately. Why not use
DuckDuckGo and write a 'bang' search for fedora sites?
!fedora-guidelines, !fedora-package !fedora-wiki, etc.?
--Ben
Couldn't care if they had a camera in me bathroom.
They might find the sponge for me.
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1:55 p.m.
Not too sure what this discussion will lead to, but can I'd enjoy being
kept in the loop if you guys are implementing something :)
Btw, +1 to the issue.
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