5:47 p.m.
I was wondering how everyone felt about the possibility of including
Grub 2 in FC7. While it still is in development, it is very much
functional and does currently work. This would have the potential to
allow unification of boot loaders across all architecture (PPC & EFI
Intel boxes come to mind). This may also kick start development on
Grub 2, so it's not under development forever. The downfall though is
that it does use a new file format & tools would need to be modified
to support it. What does everyone else think?
For info on grub 2:
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2-faq.en.html
8:52 p.m.
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 17:47 -0600, Jerone Young wrote:
I was wondering how everyone felt about the possibility of including
Grub 2 in FC7. While it still is in development, it is very much
functional and does currently work. This would have the potential to
allow unification of boot loaders across all architecture (PPC & EFI
Intel boxes come to mind). This may also kick start development on
Grub 2, so it's not under development forever. The downfall though is
that it does use a new file format & tools would need to be modified
to support it. What does everyone else think?
IMHO, it's entirely too late in the cycle to introduce something like
this. Especially for all arches.
I'm sure pjones has a much stronger opinion.
josh
9:04 p.m.
It is a bit late in the cycle, but how about inclusion of the packages
in the repository as a secondary method. It could then easily (barring
no issues) probably be made the primary method around FC 8 time
frame.
On 1/20/07, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)jdub.homelinux.org> wrote:
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 17:47 -0600, Jerone Young wrote:
> I was wondering how everyone felt about the possibility of including
> Grub 2 in FC7. While it still is in development, it is very much
> functional and does currently work. This would have the potential to
> allow unification of boot loaders across all architecture (PPC & EFI
> Intel boxes come to mind). This may also kick start development on
> Grub 2, so it's not under development forever. The downfall though is
> that it does use a new file format & tools would need to be modified
> to support it. What does everyone else think?
IMHO, it's entirely too late in the cycle to introduce something like
this. Especially for all arches.
I'm sure pjones has a much stronger opinion.
josh
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9:40 a.m.
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 21:04 -0600, Jerone Young wrote:
It is a bit late in the cycle, but how about inclusion of the
packages
in the repository as a secondary method. It could then easily (barring
no issues) probably be made the primary method around FC 8 time
frame.
If someone wants to submit packages, then I think that would be great to
help make progress on getting it more ready for a switch for a future
release. There are definitely a number of reasons why it would be nice
to be able to switch, but the last time I looked, there were also a few
important things missing for actually switching -- we really need to be
able to have pretty close to parity on the features that we use by
default[1]
Jeremy
[1] Everything from menuing to the splash image support.
12:17 p.m.
Am Montag, den 22.01.2007, 10:55 -0500 schrieb Jesse Keating:
On Monday 22 January 2007 10:40, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> If someone wants to submit packages,
Note, these packages would need to NOT conflict with the existing grub.
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Easy on the caps! :)
12:38 p.m.
I can take up this task. I'll put something together this week. Though
it will be interesting to figure out a way so it does not conflict
with current grub. This would be a good way to figure out how to get
them to exist side by side.
On 1/22/07, nodata <lsof(a)nodata.co.uk> wrote:
Am Montag, den 22.01.2007, 10:55 -0500 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> On Monday 22 January 2007 10:40, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> > If someone wants to submit packages,
>
> Note, these packages would need to NOT conflict with the existing grub.
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10:21 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:38:47 -0600,
Jerone Young <jerone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I can take up this task. I'll put something together this week.
Though
it will be interesting to figure out a way so it does not conflict
with current grub. This would be a good way to figure out how to get
them to exist side by side.
I would think that using something like /boot/grub2 instead of /boot/grub
for config files and naming the executable /sbin/grub2 instead of
/sbin/grub would work OK. Once you do a set up with one of the grubs,
that one will be used for booting, and there isn't a lot you can do about
that.
The disadvantage of doing this is that down the road you will probably
want to rename grub2 as grub and there will be some pain realted to that.
10:58 p.m.
This shouldn't be too big of a deal using the grub2 name. Down the
road you can just make a symlink to grub2 that is named grub.
Currently I think there just needs to be a migration path to grub2.
Hopefully if it can go into FC 7 it can begin the migration.
On 1/22/07, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:38:47 -0600,
Jerone Young <jerone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I can take up this task. I'll put something together this week. Though
> it will be interesting to figure out a way so it does not conflict
> with current grub. This would be a good way to figure out how to get
> them to exist side by side.
I would think that using something like /boot/grub2 instead of /boot/grub
for config files and naming the executable /sbin/grub2 instead of
/sbin/grub would work OK. Once you do a set up with one of the grubs,
that one will be used for booting, and there isn't a lot you can do about
that.
The disadvantage of doing this is that down the road you will probably
want to rename grub2 as grub and there will be some pain realted to that.
2:57 a.m.
Just a small update on developments with this. I finally got some time
this weekend to start to bang this out. Once I thought I had it..to my
surprise commands like "grub-install" are actually shell scripts
(partially generated from .in files..oh autoconf generated
scripts..how nice). And they specifically look for commands like
"grub-setup". So I'm going to be taking a little more time add patches
to the spec files so that everything can ex. "grub2-install" or
"grub2-setup" and work harmoniously.
So just to let everyone know I'm still working on it :-) . Hope to
have a spec and patches out by end of tuesday.
On 1/22/07, Jerone Young <jerone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This shouldn't be too big of a deal using the grub2 name. Down
the
road you can just make a symlink to grub2 that is named grub.
Currently I think there just needs to be a migration path to grub2.
Hopefully if it can go into FC 7 it can begin the migration.
On 1/22/07, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 12:38:47 -0600,
> Jerone Young <jerone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can take up this task. I'll put something together this week. Though
> > it will be interesting to figure out a way so it does not conflict
> > with current grub. This would be a good way to figure out how to get
> > them to exist side by side.
>
> I would think that using something like /boot/grub2 instead of /boot/grub
> for config files and naming the executable /sbin/grub2 instead of
> /sbin/grub would work OK. Once you do a set up with one of the grubs,
> that one will be used for booting, and there isn't a lot you can do about
> that.
>
> The disadvantage of doing this is that down the road you will probably
> want to rename grub2 as grub and there will be some pain realted to that.
>
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