3:11 p.m.
From rom fedora-test-list : Kyrre Ness Sjobak :
Just wondering about something: Why does gnome volume control show both
alsa and oss mixers for the same device? When they anyway is sync'ed
with eachother, it seems a little bot no-point to me...
I recompile gstreamer-plugins without oss support.
gnome-volume-control with oss support (FC3) :
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/g-v-c_old.png
without oss support
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/g-v-c_new.png
preference window of mixer applet with oss support :
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/sound-applet_old.png
without oss support :
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/sound-applet_new.png
Bugzilla ?
3:11 p.m.
lør, 16.10.2004 kl. 22.11 skrev Matias Féliciano:
From rom fedora-test-list : Kyrre Ness Sjobak :
Just wondering about something: Why does gnome volume control show both
alsa and oss mixers for the same device? When they anyway is sync'ed
with eachother, it seems a little bot no-point to me...
I recompile gstreamer-plugins without oss support.
gnome-volume-control with oss support (FC3) :
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/g-v-c_old.png
without oss support
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/g-v-c_new.png
preference window of mixer applet with oss support :
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/sound-applet_old.png
without oss support :
http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/gnome-volume-control/sound-applet_new.png
Bugzilla ?
Looks a lot less confusing. Think you know more about it than me => you
bugzilla it :)
Nobody is running fc3 with OSS, right?
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7:09 p.m.
Le samedi 16 octobre 2004 à 22:11 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak a écrit :
you bugzilla it :)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136028
Set to RFE.
Nobody is running fc3 with OSS, right?
There is no OSS module in the kernel (except the oss emulation of alsa
for backward compatibility).
6:28 a.m.
Le dimanche 17 octobre 2004 à 02:09 +0200, Matias Féliciano a écrit
Closed.
I pointed in this bug report that gstreamer-plugins miss
libmusicbrainz-devel BuildRequires.
Should I open a new bug report ?
10:57 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 13:28 +0200, Matias Féliciano wrote:
Le dimanche 17 octobre 2004 à 02:09 +0200, Matias Féliciano a écrit
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136028
Closed.
I pointed in this bug report that gstreamer-plugins miss
libmusicbrainz-devel BuildRequires.
This has been fixed in CVS for a long time; I think the upload fixing it
was rejected for FC3 though. It will be there when rawhide becomes FC4.
Should I open a new bug report ?
Not necessary, thanks.
5:23 a.m.
On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 22:11, Matias Féliciano wrote:
From rom fedora-test-list : Kyrre Ness Sjobak :
Just wondering about something: Why does gnome volume control show both
alsa and oss mixers for the same device? When they anyway is sync'ed
with eachother, it seems a little bot no-point to me...
I recompile gstreamer-plugins without oss support.
Please don't - the disease should be fixed, not the symptom. For all
sorts of reasons people could be using oss, or ALSA/OSS on their
system. If gnome-volume-control shows the same mixer twice, it needs to
be fixed in gnome-volume-control. Don't remove functional plugins
please.
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5:40 a.m.
Le dimanche 17 octobre 2004 à 12:23 +0200, Thomas Vander Stichele a
écrit :
On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 22:11, Matias Féliciano wrote:
> From rom fedora-test-list : Kyrre Ness Sjobak :
> Just wondering about something: Why does gnome volume control show both
> alsa and oss mixers for the same device? When they anyway is sync'ed
> with eachother, it seems a little bot no-point to me...
>
> I recompile gstreamer-plugins without oss support.
Please don't - the disease should be fixed, not the symptom. For all
sorts of reasons people could be using oss, or ALSA/OSS on their
system. If gnome-volume-control shows the same mixer twice, it needs to
be fixed in gnome-volume-control. Don't remove functional plugins
please.
It's not up to me :-)
There is no OSS driver in FC3 (only OSS emulation (by alsa)).
Any application that use gstreamer-plugins can use Alsa. In fact, they
don't know if they are using OSS or alsa. They use gstreamer. Period.
OSS programs (by definition does not use gstreamer) are not impacted by
the suppression of OSS support in gstreamer.
aplay /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav (alsa)
and
play /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav (OSS)
work perfectly.
4:42 a.m.
On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 12:40, Matias Féliciano wrote:
Any application that use gstreamer-plugins can use Alsa. In fact,
they
don't know if they are using OSS or alsa. They use gstreamer. Period.
OSS programs (by definition does not use gstreamer) are not impacted by
the suppression of OSS support in gstreamer.
We often ask people to try the oss plugins if the alsa plugins fail,
just to test. So the OSS plugins are useful.
Ronald
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5:10 a.m.
Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 à 11:42 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje a écrit :
On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 12:40, Matias Féliciano wrote:
> Any application that use gstreamer-plugins can use Alsa. In fact, they
> don't know if they are using OSS or alsa. They use gstreamer. Period.
> OSS programs (by definition does not use gstreamer) are not impacted by
> the suppression of OSS support in gstreamer.
We often ask people to try the oss plugins if the alsa plugins fail,
just to test. So the OSS plugins are useful.
Is this to test alsa vs OSS or gstreamer ?
If the propose is to test alsa/OSS, aplay/play do the trick.
It seems to me that you are talking about bugs. When Linux 2.6 was
released we often asked people to try with Linux 2.4. Do you want Linux
2.4 or OSS drivers put back in FC3 only because sometimes they work
better than Linux 2.6/alsa ?
If Fedora do that way, we will have evolution 1.4 and evolution 2.0 in
FC3 because evolution 1.4 sometimes works better, ...
I think it's anormal to have OSS support in gstreamer since FC3 (as FC2)
does not provide OSS drivers. I don't know how gstreamer works and
perhaps it's a bug in gnome-volume-control/mixer-applet or gstreamer
that should be fixed. In this case, I only suggested a workaround
(remove OSS plugin).
But I don't think it's good idea to keep OSS plugin only because
sometimes it works better than alsa plugin.
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1:46 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:10 +0200, Matias Féliciano wrote:
I think it's anormal to have OSS support in gstreamer since FC3
(as FC2)
does not provide OSS drivers. I don't know how gstreamer works and
perhaps it's a bug in gnome-volume-control/mixer-applet or gstreamer
that should be fixed. In this case, I only suggested a workaround
(remove OSS plugin).
Ronald and I talked about this a while ago; my proposed solution is to
have the Alsa OSS compatibility kernel drivers export somehow that they
are simply a shim layer instead of a real device, and for gnome-volume-
control not to display them by default.
Perhaps this could actually be done at the HAL level.
This won't happen for FC3 though, at least not gold. It might be
possible to backport fixes from GNOME 2.10 and have updated alsa
packages though.
But I don't think it's good idea to keep OSS plugin only
because
sometimes it works better than alsa plugin.
One alternative instead would be have gnome-volume-control skip OSS
mixers for now.
3:19 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 21:28 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 20:46, Colin Walters wrote:
> One alternative instead would be have gnome-volume-control skip OSS
> mixers for now.
That's probably a good idea, given that you don't expect anyone to still
use OSS...
Done.
4:08 p.m.
Hi
I suppose that after the change alsa mixers will control OSS volume(s)
as well: there are still plenty of apps using OSS and many of them are
unlikely to be ported to alsa in a short term (if ever).
Alfredo
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Colin Walters wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 21:28 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 20:46, Colin Walters wrote:
>> One alternative instead would be have gnome-volume-control skip OSS
>> mixers for now.
>
> That's probably a good idea, given that you don't expect anyone to still
> use OSS...
Done.
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12:41 a.m.
Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 à 23:08 +0200, Alfredo Ferrari a écrit :
Hi
I suppose that after the change alsa mixers will control OSS volume(s)
as well: there are still plenty of apps using OSS
These apps don't use gstreamer.
and many of them are
unlikely to be ported to alsa in a short term (if ever).
Alfredo
7:27 a.m.
man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 16.19 -0400, skrev Colin Walters:
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 21:28 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 20:46, Colin Walters wrote:
> > One alternative instead would be have gnome-volume-control skip OSS
> > mixers for now.
>
> That's probably a good idea, given that you don't expect anyone to still
> use OSS...
Done.
Could we get it to drop modems too please? :) I have a nice grey area
titled "Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem [Alsa Mixer]" in the mixer...
Cheers
Kjartan
10:59 a.m.
Or maybe there should be some kind of config dialog where you could
select what to "kick off the list".
Another thing that is really lacking, is some vissible info on the dock
applet that sound is muted. That lack caused me to nearly destroy my
laptops soundcard completely...
tir, 19.10.2004 kl. 14.27 skrev Kjartan Maraas:
man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 16.19 -0400, skrev Colin Walters:
> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 21:28 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 20:46, Colin Walters wrote:
> > > One alternative instead would be have gnome-volume-control skip OSS
> > > mixers for now.
> >
> > That's probably a good idea, given that you don't expect anyone to
still
> > use OSS...
>
> Done.
>
Could we get it to drop modems too please? :) I have a nice grey area
titled "Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem [Alsa Mixer]" in the mixer...
Cheers
Kjartan
12:54 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:59 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Or maybe there should be some kind of config dialog where you could
select what to "kick off the list".
Showing modems in the volume mixer is just a bug, we don't want "unbreak
me" preferences.
Another thing that is really lacking, is some vissible info on the
dock
applet that sound is muted.
That would be nice yes. I think it may do that for the master volume,
but not if it's on but PCM is 0.
1:11 p.m.
> Another thing that is really lacking, is some vissible info on
the dock
> applet that sound is muted.
That would be nice yes. I think it may do that for the master volume,
but not if it's on but PCM is 0.
It doesn't. If i click "mute" (right click applet -> mute), there is no
visible difference to the icon.
1:25 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 20:11 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
> > Another thing that is really lacking, is some vissible info
on the dock
> > applet that sound is muted.
>
> That would be nice yes. I think it may do that for the master volume,
> but not if it's on but PCM is 0.
It doesn't. If i click "mute" (right click applet -> mute), there is no
visible difference to the icon.
Really? That works for me here. What theme are you using? Can you try
Bluecurve if you're using a different one?
1:31 p.m.
Bluecurve. Same with gnome 2.6 (and 2.8 - but the theme looks quite ugly
there. as i am on an dialup line, i really can't fully update it, and i
don't have a clue where the themes are hidden. It looks halfway
bluecurve and halfway gnome...)
tir, 19.10.2004 kl. 20.25 skrev Colin Walters:
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 20:11 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
> > > Another thing that is really lacking, is some vissible info on the dock
> > > applet that sound is muted.
> >
> > That would be nice yes. I think it may do that for the master volume,
> > but not if it's on but PCM is 0.
>
> It doesn't. If i click "mute" (right click applet -> mute), there
is no
> visible difference to the icon.
Really? That works for me here. What theme are you using? Can you try
Bluecurve if you're using a different one?
12:16 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 14:27, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
Could we get it to drop modems too please? :) I have a nice grey
area
titled "Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem [Alsa Mixer]" in the mixer...
Yes, I'll fix that for GNOME 2.10... Don't we have a bugzilla report for
that already? I was gonna tell you to send me a patch since it's a
one-liner (or so), but then decided to just do it. See attach. 5 seconds
of work. ;). It's untested since I don't have a modem.
Anyway, for everyone else: please put feature requests in bugzilla, I'm
not gonna implement each feature right away and will forget all the
others.
Ronald
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12:52 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:16 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 14:27, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
> Could we get it to drop modems too please? :) I have a nice grey area
> titled "Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem [Alsa Mixer]" in the mixer...
Yes, I'll fix that for GNOME 2.10... Don't we have a bugzilla report for
that already? I was gonna tell you to send me a patch since it's a
one-liner (or so), but then decided to just do it. See attach. 5 seconds
of work. ;). It's untested since I don't have a modem.
Hmm. Is this against the 2.10 sources? We're only shipping 2.8 in FC3.
I came up with the attached patch which Ray Strode tested and confirmed
worked.
2:22 p.m.
Hi,
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:52, Colin Walters wrote:
Hmm. Is this against the 2.10 sources? We're only shipping 2.8
in FC3.
I came up with the attached patch which Ray Strode tested and confirmed
worked.
Right, sorry, forgot. Yes, it does the same thing.
Reminds me, I need to put the GStreamer/Totem patches somewhere too.
Will do that before the weekend.
Ronald
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2:20 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 21:22 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:52, Colin Walters wrote:
> Hmm. Is this against the 2.10 sources? We're only shipping 2.8 in FC3.
> I came up with the attached patch which Ray Strode tested and confirmed
> worked.
Right, sorry, forgot. Yes, it does the same thing.
Reminds me, I need to put the GStreamer/Totem patches somewhere too.
Will do that before the weekend.
Tomorrow is "Absolute devel freeze" :/
That's not to say things aren't doable as updates though, especially for
totem.
11:56 a.m.
Hi Colin,
hope this is in time.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 21:20, Colin Walters wrote:
Tomorrow is "Absolute devel freeze" :/
That's not to say things aren't doable as updates though, especially for
totem.
The patches are in #136507, #136508, #136512 and #13614. 12/14 are two
parts of the same patch because I don't know how to merge two patches.
Ronald
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12:12 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 18:56 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
Hi Colin,
hope this is in time.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 21:20, Colin Walters wrote:
> Tomorrow is "Absolute devel freeze" :/
> That's not to say things aren't doable as updates though, especially for
> totem.
The patches are in #136507, #136508, #136512 and #13614. 12/14 are two
parts of the same patch because I don't know how to merge two patches.
Ronald
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There is a tool in the patchutils package called "combinediff" that
should be able to merge the two patches...
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2:51 p.m.
Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 à 14:46 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit :
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:10 +0200, Matias Féliciano wrote:
> But I don't think it's good idea to keep OSS plugin only because
> sometimes it works better than alsa plugin.
One alternative instead would be have gnome-volume-control skip OSS
mixers for now.
gnome-volume-control (you forget other mixer programs that use gstreamer
(mixer-applet)) will skip OSS, gstreamer use alsa by default, Fedora
kernel does not provide OSS driver (since FC2), why do we still need the
OSS plugin of gstreamer ?
If it's because sometimes alsa plugin is broken then I can ask for OSS
drivers because sometimes alsa drivers does not work.
So, except when alsa plugin is broken, when do we need the OSS plugin ?
Is Fedora supporting OSS ? Does not seem because there is no OSS mixer
(except the current gnome-volume-control).
http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html
Non-Objectives of Fedora Core:
- Being a dumping ground for unmaintained or poorly designed
software.
Backward compatibility is a good thing. This is already done with OSS
emulation.
I perfectly understand that gstreamer support OSS plugin (Fedora is not
the only target of gstreamer).
I don't understand why Fedora support an unneeded OSS plugin that
encumber mixer using gstreamer.
Just curious.
Don't pay too attention about this, I don't use gnome-volume-control nor
mixer-applet :-)
4:41 a.m.
On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 12:23, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote:
Please don't - the disease should be fixed, not the symptom. For
all
sorts of reasons people could be using oss, or ALSA/OSS on their
system. If gnome-volume-control shows the same mixer twice, it needs to
be fixed in gnome-volume-control. Don't remove functional plugins
please.
It is fixed (well, rather, the bug doesn't show anymore like it used
to), but that's only gnome-media 2.10, not 2.8... There's some more work
to be done, but that'll be later.
Ronald
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