-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
FINALLY! there was someone who hated release names as much, if not
more than I. I say we forgo a release name on f20, as well.
M
On 08/22/2013 07:29 PM, devel-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Send devel mailing list submissions to
devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel or, via
email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
devel-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
You can reach the person managing the list at
devel-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
specific than "Re: Contents of devel digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: F20 release name election? (Dan Mashal) 2. Re: F21 schedule:
what would you do with more time? (Chris Murphy) 3. Re: F20 release
name election? (Josh Boyer) 4. Re: F19 server install experience
(Chris Murphy) 5. Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more
time? (Adam Williamson) 6. Re: F20 release name election? (Chris
Murphy) 7. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam Williamson) 8.
Re: F19 server install experience (Chris Murphy) 9. Re: F20 release
name election? (Dan Mashal) 10. Re: Bundled Flash (Adam
Williamson) 11. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam
Williamson) 12. Re: F20 release name election? (Billy Crook) 13.
Re: F20 release name election? (Chris Murphy) 14. Re: F20 release
name election? (Paul Wouters)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:05:57 -0700 From: Dan Mashal
<dan.mashal(a)gmail.com> To: Development discussions related to
Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F20 release
name election? Message-ID:
<CALJqFwoUPEcJYdim=QjU-p6QQFr=Au8vJArebEywdGjo3TEgww(a)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy
<lists(a)colorremedies.com> wrote:
> *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options
> also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20".
>
> Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller
> assertion.
>
> Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the overwhelmingly
> obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract more Heisenbugs
> than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they totally exist.
> And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers. Now, had it been
> "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a *little* less
> obvious, what the correct answer is.
How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I
love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well
personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is
because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices up
there are lame.
If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is
ridiculous.
With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this
release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal?
Dan
------------------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:11:16 -0600 From: Chris Murphy
<lists(a)colorremedies.com> To: Development discussions related to
Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F21 schedule:
what would you do with more time? Message-ID:
<CB4F8822-2A1A-4093-86E2-030749E2F214(a)colorremedies.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>
> QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent
> iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the
> time we have to work on anything else. We can only really get
> substantive work done on 'things that are not release validation'
> in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN Go and FNN+1
> Alpha TC1.
I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a month
of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en vacaciones, no
me contacte. So in reality, that probably translates into maybe a
four day weekend. But how much time do you think QA needs for
"things other than release validation"? So far the push back range
is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six months.
If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of
losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I
arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are still
positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE NAME
IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train.
Chris Murphy
------------------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:12:10 -0400 From: Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> To: Development discussions related to
Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F20 release
name election? Message-ID:
<CA+5PVA4dSTdHXx0+VLiTxagYkb6LK_dcocMpSXu3bHa_W3OdFA(a)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy
> <lists(a)colorremedies.com> wrote:
>> *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options
>> also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20".
>>
>> Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller
>> assertion.
>>
>> Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the
>> overwhelmingly obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract
>> more Heisenbugs than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they
>> totally exist. And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers.
>> Now, had it been "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a
>> *little* less obvious, what the correct answer is.
>
>
> How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I
> love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well
> personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is
> because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices
> up there are lame.
The choices are what the community came up with. At this point,
that is what we have to chose from.
> If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is
> ridiculous.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two
camps right now. Those that don't care about release names one bit
(like me), and those that do. If those that do care want better
names, they'll need to work harder at creating meaningful
suggestions.
The Board has an open ticket on the naming process. We're working
through it now, but "no release names" isn't an immediate option
because the last time we proposed that the community vote showed
names were still desired. Hopefully we'll resolve the ticket
shortly and explain how naming needs to work in the future.
> With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this
> release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal?
It will be dedicated in the release announcement. Perhaps someone
might add something to the download page on the website as well.
josh
------------------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:16:43 -0600 From: Chris Murphy
<lists(a)colorremedies.com> To: Development discussions related to
Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F19 server
install experience Message-ID:
<E7142298-1A83-45D4-8F4A-36569BD8C991(a)colorremedies.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:57 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 08/17/2013 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> Yeah, I've seen that kind of thing in some of my tests. A lot of
> my live installs wind up with New York as the timezone, IIRC.
I'm spacing out which has which behavior, but Live vs Netinst
consistently produce different results for me for geoip/timezone
selection. One always works (Denver), the other never works (New
York). Always the same IP.
>>
>>>> One odd thing I noticed while cycling through the consoles
>>>> was that console 6 had a login prompt on it. I didn't
>>>> actually try logging in.
>>>>
>> Any thoughts on this one? It was rather surprising to find a
>> login prompt during the installing process.
>
> IIRC it's been there for a while, I'm not entirely sure of its
> purpose. More a question for anaconda team I think.
Oh I use that all the time for top, or taring and scping anaconda
logs from tmp.
Chris Murphy
------------------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:49 -0700 From: Adam
Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> To: Development discussions
related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F21
schedule: what would you do with more time? Message-ID:
<1377217369.10145.1.camel@adam> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="UTF-8"
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson
> <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent
>> iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting
>> the time we have to work on anything else. We can only really
>> get substantive work done on 'things that are not release
>> validation' in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN
>> Go and FNN+1 Alpha TC1.
>
>
> I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a
> month of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en
> vacaciones, no me contacte. So in reality, that probably
> translates into maybe a four day weekend. But how much time do
> you think QA needs for "things other than release validation"? So
> far the push back range is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six
> months.
>
> If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of
> losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I
> arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are
> still positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE
> NAME IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train.
The more time we have, the more stuff we can do. We have a list of
things we'd like to have that could fill a couple of years of work
easy, most likely.
I was thinking three months was not arbitrary, but 'the right
amount of time to get back into sync with GNOME', which was one of
the aims of our six month cycle prior to F18. If we're going to do
a 'hiatus', it would seem sensible to use it to get back into a
cycle which works nicely with the GNOME dev cycle. (No, I am not
going to use the word 'cadence' at any point in this mail. Damni-)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird -
http://www.enigmail.net/
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSFs4tAAoJEBKk3f1RCyxTtoQH/jTIokNooRVtFGINHh/lDUj4
8gFXMZdsacG5oSKLQVHpFaFGTnB9iIf/n6YZ2XAiJQ2cCSTHHiO9VzofU281b2zT
nnrnQjgsN8PN8haIwm7fPuMVsEgi7pPAlSKIoaTOGT0JHmq4k7uJ7sUTH3XP89vO
TjDg2Whu2BGSfq1nvW93c2QpdHOIkVhwQi15gSM4qnlT7coI3TACZSTS+LT4kqEA
rLM6+6Jy+zAr4uw9PIIWaJ2I8Jw8xeTEQnROuYytYA5fFhEvDe7HXADqL0hmtbwj
SQ1Ij3+IpaD6L2dAdBo+GP27GsYb84qbOXIa7mC9gd49td9GVEevf8hE6yuSQCE=
=9Bj6
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----