Hi, I made some noises on IRC about people upgrading to F15 (like myself) who would all come across the same surprises and would have to find a way to work around them. I suggested it might help to publish something like release notes but more user oriented, to help to ease the pain (and to defuse the many questions that will undoubtedly find their way to the various support forums). At the time no-one seemed to pick up on the idea. I wrote a blog post about it, maybe not the best way to help Fedora users so feel free to take the idea and the content and repackage it as appropriate. http://littlethorpe.net/wordpress/?p=334 "Fedora 15 Gnome 3 gotchas" If nothing else maybe I have included the right words so that users can Google for 'what the heck happened to my minimise button' or whatever and find some help.

Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule?

On 06/05/11 23:51, Jason D. Clinton wrote: >  On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:03, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com >  <mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com>> wrote: > >      Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule? > >  It doesn't appear to be abandoned: >  http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-schedule/log/ It's obsoleted by gnome-panel in F15.

On May 7, 2011 5:00 AM, "Frank Murphy" <frankly3d(a)gmail.com <mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 06/05/11 23:51, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:03, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com <mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com> > > <mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com <mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule? > > > > > > It doesn't appear to be abandoned: > > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-schedule/log/ > > > > It's obsoleted by gnome-panel in F15. File a bug.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 08:58, Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes, but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!? Since when is that a valid development practice? Do we hate our users or what? If you have some constructive feedback to offer, I would be willing to help you understand why GNOME 3 is an improvement.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 08:58, Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes, > but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!? > Since when is that a valid development practice? > Do we hate our users or what? > If you have some constructive feedback to offer, I would be willing to help you understand why GNOME 3 is an improvement.

On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 03:58:51PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:05 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I made some noises on IRC about people upgrading to F15 (like myself) >> who would all come across the same surprises and would have to find a >> way to work around them. I suggested it might help to publish >> something like release notes but more user oriented, to help to ease >> the pain (and to defuse the many questions that will undoubtedly find >> their way to the various support forums). At the time no-one seemed to >> pick up on the idea. >> >> I wrote a blog post about it, maybe not the best way to help Fedora >> users so feel free to take the idea and the content and repackage it >> as appropriate. >> >> http://littlethorpe.net/wordpress/?p=334 "Fedora 15 Gnome 3 gotchas" >> >> If nothing else maybe I have included the right words so that users >> can Google for 'what the heck happened to my minimise button' or >> whatever and find some help. > > Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes, > but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!? > Since when is that a valid development practice? > Do we hate our users or what? # yum install @XFCE Then, log out and at the log in window select "XFCE 4" as the session. Rich.

On 05/07/2011 12:50 PM, Mario Blättermann wrote: > Am 07.05.2011 16:51, schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: >> On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 03:58:51PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >>> On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:05 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: >>>> <snip> > GNOME 3. We need a new GNOME as close as possible to the old one, to > keep the current users. Well, it would be fine to get new GNOME lovers, > but not by kicking the old farts out. Hey, I resemble that crack. Gnome 3 has not kicked me out and the more I use it, the more I like it. Just shows that you can teach an old dog new tricks!!

It's entertaining already to see how people [try to] leave Ubuntu because of Unity, and to hear that they like Fedora 15's GNOME 3 better. ;)