8:18 p.m.
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 11:06 -0500, fedora-devel-list-request(a)redhat.com
-jef"No one in the sum total of human history has ever felt a
deeper
rage than what I felt when oneko was ripped out of rhl. I fell into a
darkness, deep and bottomless. I wandered the earth, lost and forlorn
searching for meaning. I swore an oath to seek my revenge on those who
have hurt me so. I have fought a daily struggle to break open the Red
gates so that I have can get oneko back into distribution. And now
that Fedora Extras is finally here and my goal is at hand, its not so
compelling anymore cuz xdesktopwaves is sooo much cooler."spaleta
My thoughts exactly, except that nothing will be cooler than AbiWord :-)
OK there are several things about this series of posts from me.
If I just went quietly into the night, people would think I don't care.
I do care.
Now I'll plug AbiWord-2.2 since almost no one here has tried it.
The AbiWord community is as vibrant as ever. We committed over 300,000
LOC of changes to the code base over 14 months to produce AbiWord-2.2.
We implemented all sorts of cool stuff that neither MS Word or OOo has.
We implemented features that make the users job of creating documents
easier and more fun. We want that code to be seen and used and
appreciated by as many people as possible. We're in a position to be
widely deployed across heterogenic communities like Universities and
Schools since we have Windows, Mac and Linux clients.
We're seeing substantial growth in our direct download stats and hits on
our website from outside the Linux world.
Having released 2.2 we've started work on 2.4 and have already added a
number of new features while steadily fixing bugs in 2.2.
I bought into the idea of Fedora as a community project with real
support for grass roots developers and users. What I see are corporate
backed projects pushing the grass roots projects out. I also see these
projects pushing all the fun stuff out too.
Fedora has to be careful about maintaining relevance for your average
computer enthusiast. As someone else has said if we wanted a boring,
corporate supported OS with excellent Java support we'd download Solaris
10.
Martin
7:32 p.m.
New subject: fedora-devel-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 104
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 01:18:01PM +1100, Martin Sevior wrote:
The AbiWord community is as vibrant as ever. We committed over 300,000
LOC of changes to the code base over 14 months to produce AbiWord-2.2.
We implemented all sorts of cool stuff that neither MS Word or OOo has.
We implemented features that make the users job of creating documents
easier and more fun. We want that code to be seen and used and
appreciated by as many people as possible. We're in a position to be
widely deployed across heterogenic communities like Universities and
Schools since we have Windows, Mac and Linux clients.
I otherwise like the program, but it's an incredible PIA for me to use
because of its absolutely horrible CJK support. So I essentially never
use it, even though a few years ago Japanese support (on Linux) went from
"completely unavailable" to "laughably horrible." OOo has very nice,
mature, professional CJK features.
http://bugzilla.abisource.com/buglist.cgi?keywords=cjk
Now I see that someone made it "not totally suck" on MacOSX recently,
so maybe there's hope yet for AbiWord.
I bought into the idea of Fedora as a community project with real
support for grass roots developers and users. What I see are corporate
backed projects pushing the grass roots projects out. I also see these
projects pushing all the fun stuff out too.
Of course, being in Extras is supposed to be the community project part
with grassroots support. Now of course we want to make sure that it
appears in Extras and that Extras is easy to find (such as from the website),
but in the future, Extras is to be everything that is community based, which
outside people can easily add to, whereas Core is a limited set of necessary
things that only RedHat people add to. In the long run, a vibrant and
useful Extras is better than a situation where nearly everything is in
Core and dependent on RedHat employees updating them if this is to be a real
community project.
John Thacker
7:49 p.m.
New subject: fedora-devel-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 104
John Thacker wrote:
In
the long run, a vibrant and useful Extras is better than a
situation where nearly everything is in Core and dependent on
RedHat employees updating them if this is to be a real
community project.
If it's to be a real community project wouldn't that mean people
outside redhat could update core?
7:58 p.m.
New subject: fedora-devel-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 104
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 18:49 -0700, jeff wrote:
John Thacker wrote:
> In
> the long run, a vibrant and useful Extras is better than a
> situation where nearly everything is in Core and dependent on
> RedHat employees updating them if this is to be a real
> community project.
If it's to be a real community project wouldn't that mean people
outside redhat could update core?
let's work on extras and making it happy then work on worrying with
core.
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