7:05 a.m.
Not to take anything away from the winners but where was the community
involvement here, Can you show me what list this was proposed on previously?
and who judged this award please.
...dex
___________________________________________________________
Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail.
http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
7:28 a.m.
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:05:17 +0100, dexter wrote:
Not to take anything away from the winners but where was the community
involvement here, Can you show me what list this was proposed on previously?
and who judged this award please.
Quoting: "The Fedora Award is presented by Red Hat ..."
^^^^^^^^^^
7:49 a.m.
On Wed June 6 2007 13:28:03 Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:05:17 +0100, dexter wrote:
> Not to take anything away from the winners but where was the community
> involvement here, Can you show me what list this was proposed on
> previously? and who judged this award please.
Quoting: "The Fedora Award is presented by Red Hat ..."
^^^^^^^^^^
Oh it's clear now an internal award for mostly internal folks nice!
...dex
___________________________________________________________
Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The
Wall Street Journal
http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
8:09 a.m.
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 08:49:33 dexter wrote:
Oh it's clear now an internal award for mostly internal folks
nice!
Um, none of the winners were Red Hat employees at the time of the award. They
were all volunteers who were doing very very important work for Fedora in
their spare time.
--
Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora
9:05 a.m.
On Wed June 6 2007 14:09:54 Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 08:49:33 dexter wrote:
> Oh it's clear now an internal award for mostly internal folks nice!
Um, none of the winners were Red Hat employees at the time of the award.
They were all volunteers who were doing very very important work for Fedora
in their spare time.
Ok lets not go down the road of who is most deserving here (but someone at
redhat has) My surprise was in the title "Fedora Award Winners" I couldn't
recall any announcements for nominations or even the award itself. I wrongly
assumed this was a Fedora Communitiy lead excercise. my bad as they say.
...dex
___________________________________________________________
Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" � The
Wall Street Journal
http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
8:06 a.m.
dexter wrote:
Not to take anything away from the winners but where was the
community
involvement here, Can you show me what list this was proposed on previously?
and who judged this award please.
I must say I'm a bit disappointed by this action too, lately there has been a
lot of uproar that those "managing" Fedora seem to have lost touch with the
"workfloor". This award to me confirms that there is an in-crowd, an old boys
network, and the rest of us. And to get into this in-crowd one mainly must do a
lot of irc-meetings and mailing, actually working oneself into sweat isn't enough.
I'm sad to say that these awards mainly seems to be about who can (social)
network the most, and not necessarily about contributing.
With this I in no way mean to put down the great work done by most of the award
receivers. However I do see a drift forming here between some kinda in-crowd
and the rest, which is an alarming development.
For example why isn't Tibbs on the list, without ihs gargantuan efforts, our
whole (great) review process would have collapsed under its own weight.
Regards,
Hans
10:22 a.m.
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:06:31 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
I must say I'm a bit disappointed by this action too, lately
there has been a
lot of uproar that those "managing" Fedora seem to have lost touch with the
"workfloor". This award to me confirms that there is an in-crowd, an old boys
network, and the rest of us. And to get into this in-crowd one mainly must do a
lot of irc-meetings and mailing, actually working oneself into sweat isn't enough.
I'm sad to say that these awards mainly seems to be about who can (social)
network the most, and not necessarily about contributing.
With this I in no way mean to put down the great work done by most of the award
receivers. However I do see a drift forming here between some kinda in-crowd
and the rest, which is an alarming development.
Well said.
What surprised and disappointed me the most is that this award covers a
time-span of several years, not just 2007. And that after years, on one
hand, "it is difficult to sometimes give recognition" (quoting gdk) and on
the other hand it is that easy to come up with an extreme like this award.
10:31 a.m.
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 17:22 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:06:31 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> I must say I'm a bit disappointed by this action too, lately there has been a
> lot of uproar that those "managing" Fedora seem to have lost touch with
the
> "workfloor". This award to me confirms that there is an in-crowd, an old
boys
> network, and the rest of us. And to get into this in-crowd one mainly must do a
> lot of irc-meetings and mailing, actually working oneself into sweat isn't
enough.
>
> I'm sad to say that these awards mainly seems to be about who can (social)
> network the most, and not necessarily about contributing.
>
> With this I in no way mean to put down the great work done by most of the award
> receivers. However I do see a drift forming here between some kinda in-crowd
> and the rest, which is an alarming development.
Well said.
What surprised and disappointed me the most is that this award covers a
time-span of several years, not just 2007. And that after years, on one
hand, "it is difficult to sometimes give recognition" (quoting gdk) and on
the other hand it is that easy to come up with an extreme like this award.
I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing more
than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
josh
10:40 a.m.
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 10:31 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 17:22 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:06:31 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
>
> > I must say I'm a bit disappointed by this action too, lately there has been
a
> > lot of uproar that those "managing" Fedora seem to have lost touch
with the
> > "workfloor". This award to me confirms that there is an in-crowd, an
old boys
> > network, and the rest of us. And to get into this in-crowd one mainly must do a
> > lot of irc-meetings and mailing, actually working oneself into sweat isn't
enough.
> >
> > I'm sad to say that these awards mainly seems to be about who can (social)
> > network the most, and not necessarily about contributing.
> >
> > With this I in no way mean to put down the great work done by most of the award
> > receivers. However I do see a drift forming here between some kinda in-crowd
> > and the rest, which is an alarming development.
>
> Well said.
>
> What surprised and disappointed me the most is that this award covers a
> time-span of several years, not just 2007. And that after years, on one
> hand, "it is difficult to sometimes give recognition" (quoting gdk) and
on
> the other hand it is that easy to come up with an extreme like this award.
I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing more
than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
wait, you didn't get your ferrari dipped in gold and the team of
unicorn?
Damn. I need to tell greg to get yours shipped out.
-sv
11:10 a.m.
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:31:04 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing
more
than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Award disagrees...
11:24 a.m.
Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:31:04 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing more
> than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Award disagrees...
Who cares about what wikipedia says in this context?
Rahul
12:02 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:31:04 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
>> I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing more
>> than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Award disagrees...
Who cares about what wikipedia says in this context?
Rahul
Wikipedia says: "An award can also simply be a public acknowledgment of
excellence, without a tangible token or a prize."
That about sums it up.
rob
11:35 a.m.
Am Mittwoch, den 06.06.2007, 10:31 -0500 schrieb Josh Boyer:
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 17:22 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing more
than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
josh
Way to kill someone's achievements. Well done.
11:39 a.m.
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 18:35 +0200, nodata wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 06.06.2007, 10:31 -0500 schrieb Josh Boyer:
> On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 17:22 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>
> I would like to point out that you are complaining about nothing more
> than these people's names on a web page. That's all the award is.
>
> josh
>
Way to kill someone's achievements. Well done.
Yep. That's exactly what I intended to do. You've found my secret plan
to demoralize everyone.
</sarcasm>
josh
6176
days inactive
6176
days old
13 comments
9 participants
participants (9)
-
dexter -
Hans de Goede -
Jesse Keating -
Josh Boyer -
Michael Schwendt -
nodata -
Rahul Sundaram -
Rob Crittenden -
seth vidal