I've been waiting since Redhat 6.0 for something like this to finally be included in the distro. This is much better than the Helix player, becuase I can plugin in codecs post out of the box...as opposed to the Helix player included now. I've been compiling everything, but I really would like that perfect out of the box mulitmedia linux experience, and using totem is a good step in the right direction. On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:11:32 -0500 (CDT), W. Michael Petullo <mike(a)flyn.org&gt; wrote:

Hi, For any kind of file like this, please file a bug. If gst-launch can play it, it means it's just a matter of integration. Yep, that was the goal from day one. IMO it's the only easily shippable solution for distros that do not want to violate patent-related laws, while still giving users the flexibility of adding functionality. In the not-so-far future, users will have the choice of installing "community plugins" (because the patent-related laws do not apply in their country, or they interpret them into not applying, or because users choose to take the risk themselves), and "commercial plugins" where you pay for the licenses, making sure you are legally in the clear. The latter will be provided by Fluendo, a new company which I work for. Which plugins does it not provide that you'd put in there ? It's better to get me to put them into the GStreamer rpms which are meant for submission into fedora.us Take a look at marlin (http://marlin.sourceforge.net/), which is evolving very rapidly. It will probably hit the GStreamer repository soon this week. As for sox, I find gst-launch does everything I used to do with sox. Its syntax takes some getting used to, but less than sox :) I have been toying with the idea of writing replacements for common tools, but using GStreamer. Also, there are some interesting applications that would make worthwhile additions in the future. One is a video recorder using GStreamer, written by Ronald. Now that Theora is part of the distribution, it makes sense to have such an application in the core. Having one that is based on GStreamer would make sense, and it's shaping up nicely. The other I'll only mention briefly since I'm working on it and I don't want to toot our own horn too much :) But we're writing a streaming media server, called Flumotion, and the GPL version will stream Ogg/Theora and Vorbis, as well as some other things (like multipart encoded jpeg and audio), and the first release will be sometime this month. Exciting times for GStreamer ahead, for sure. As a company we're commited to pushing it above and beyond. I don't want to do too much cheerleading, but I'd be very happy if totem were accepted into Fedora Core 3. It makes sense. Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> Oh, baby, give me one more chance <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/

On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 13:14, Alan Cox wrote: Surely Alan no such beast exists :) But yes, that too. Only in that case, no choice is to be made. You just install the one and only plugin... Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> When somebody knows you well well there's no comfort like that And when somebody loves you well well there's no drug like that <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/

I'm wondering, does the (possible) inclusion of totem mean that we'll be using the totem video thumbnailer for video thumbnails now? How will this be dealt with? For what it's worth, I think the totem video thumbnailer looks a lot better than the gnome default one. -- Sindre Pedersen Bjordal <foolish(a)fedoraforum.org&gt; www.fedoraforum.org

On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 23:10 +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: I updated rawhide to the latest gstreamer and gstreamer-plugins (not pushed yet) and built a package for totem. All required rpms are at: http://people.redhat.com/alexl/RPMS/totem/ Can people test this and see if it works well? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl(a)redhat.com alla(a)lysator.liu.se He's an uncontrollable shark-wrestling master criminal who dotes on his loving old ma. She's a brilliant mutant barmaid from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime!

On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 12:25 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: Just a note. There is some problems playing the stream at: http://mirror.fluendo.com/cortado/ Where totem (actually gnome-vfs) seems to hang. This is really a server- side bug. Its responding with the whole stream as body to a HEAD or PROPFIND request (instead of nothing), so gnome-vfs proceeds to download the whole thing. The Fluendo people have fixed their server, but can't update the live machine in a while (the fix needs testing). http://www.theora.org/ seems to have some other test files. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl(a)redhat.com alla(a)lysator.liu.se He's a suave chivalrous Green Beret She's a foxy African-American angel with the soul of a mighty warrior. They fight crime!

Hi, The actual stream URL is http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800, if you're testing directly from totem. The link Alex posted is the page with the java applet. I pushed through an update to this server too, so it should now serve it correctly. Alex verified that it does. Feel free to let us know if it works or not for you ! Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> Whenever we meet you say you've changed Like it's some gift you're not the same <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/

On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:27 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: It returned 200 OK for the PROPFIND, and then started feeding the full stream instead of the xml result of a propfind. How should gnome-vfs know when to stop? I mean, it could do incremental xml parsing and stop at the first parse error. But thats a lot more complicated. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl(a)redhat.com alla(a)lysator.liu.se He's a benighted neurotic filmmaker from the 'hood. She's an elegant French-Canadian bounty hunter from aristocratic European stock. They fight crime!

On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 17:17 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: This all happens in the neon library. It doesn't seem to limit the size of the PROPFIND result it reads. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl(a)redhat.com alla(a)lysator.liu.se He's an obese voodoo cyborg whom everyone believes is mad. She's a provocative gypsy queen of the dead looking for love in all the wrong places. They fight crime!

On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 12:25 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: works much better than the alsa sink (change with gstreamer-properties). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl(a)redhat.com alla(a)lysator.liu.se He's an underprivileged skateboarding vagrant on the hunt for the last specimen of a great and near-mythical creature. She's a virginal impetuous college professor with a birthmark shaped like Liberty's torch. They fight crime!

Hi, Op do 07-10-2004, om 20:30 schreef Sean Middleditch: This is interesting. I heard another user telling me that he didn't get an image at all or had garbled image, but *only* if he had the compositing manager running. Are you running xcompmgr? If so, what card, what videosink (gstreamer-properties), what driver and so on? Thanks, Ronald -- Ronald Bultje <rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net&gt;

Hi Sean Op vr 08-10-2004, om 15:34 schreef Sean Middleditch: Hm, ok. This might be related to broken re-embedding then, which was a small bug that might have larger effects for some people. We just checked in a fix to playbin (gst-plugins) and totem. Can you try if those fix it? You'll need current CVS. If you want, you can apply those on a further vanilla 0.8.5/0.99.17 tree (*). Whichever you prefer. If you want, we can open a bugzilla report for this. Thanks, Ronald (*) http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/totem/src/bacon-video-widget-gst.c?r1=1.90&a... and all the files with changes at Fri Oct 8 11:30:32 2004 UTC in http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gst-plugins/gst/play... -- Ronald Bultje <rbultje(a)ronald.bitfreak.net&gt;

On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 12:25 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: I had a chance to play with this a bit. I think that for inclusion in Fedora, the primary basis for consideration should be performance on media that we support in Fedora. That means that available third-party support for e.g. Windows Media or RealVideo is interesting, but not important for inclusion. The main interesting video codec we ship is Theora, so I played with totem and some Theora videos, and compared it to HelixPlayer a bit. Totem seemed to work quite well on simple playback, going fullscreen, etc. The main thing that seemed a bit flaky was seeking. I got an error when seeking back to the beginning of a video, which I suspect is this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150061 The a/v synchronization after seeking didn't seem quite as good as HelixPlayer's, but it was relatively minor, I certainly imagine it could be fixed. Overall it looks like Totem+GStreamer is shaping up to be a very good video player. Given its tight GNOME integration and basis on Fedora's current media framework, I think it's definitely worthy of inclusion in FC3. Since I happened to get all the other media packages, I'll take up maintaining it if no one objects.