I've had this happen across two different internal hard drives and *many* different USB devices. I've attached all the data on the system I can. Let me know if I can provide anything else. If there is a way to enable debugging, I can trigger the crash and report back on whatever is logged. Here's the lspci: ==== 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev c4) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation QM77 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 04) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04) 02:00.0 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd PCIe SDXC/MMC Host Controller (rev 08) 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e) ==== The lsusb; ==== Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04f2:b2ea Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Integrated Camera [ThinkPad] Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0a5c:21e6 Broadcom Corp. BCM20702 Bluetooth 4.0 [ThinkPad] Bus 001 Device 022: ID 18d1:4ee1 Google Inc. Nexus 4 / 10 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub ==== And the dmidecode (sorry, long but I wanted to past everything); ==== # dmidecode 2.12 SMBIOS 2.7 present. 73 structures occupying 2985 bytes. Table at 0xDAE9D000. Handle 0x0000, DMI type 134, 16 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 86 10 00 00 00 53 54 4D 20 01 01 00 00 02 01 02 Strings: TPM INFO System Reserved Handle 0x0001, DMI type 4, 42 bytes Processor Information Socket Designation: CPU Socket - U3E1 Type: Central Processor Family: Core i7 Manufacturer: Intel(R) Corporation ID: A9 06 03 00 FF FB EB BF Signature: Type 0, Family 6, Model 58, Stepping 9 Flags: FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip) VME (Virtual mode extension) DE (Debugging extension) PSE (Page size extension) TSC (Time stamp counter) MSR (Model specific registers) PAE (Physical address extension) MCE (Machine check exception) CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported) APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported) SEP (Fast system call) MTRR (Memory type range registers) PGE (Page global enable) MCA (Machine check architecture) CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported) PAT (Page attribute table) PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension) CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported) DS (Debug store) ACPI (ACPI supported) MMX (MMX technology supported) FXSR (FXSAVE and FXSTOR instructions supported) SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions) SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2) SS (Self-snoop) HTT (Multi-threading) TM (Thermal monitor supported) PBE (Pending break enabled) Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3820QM CPU @ 2.70GHz Voltage: 0.9 V External Clock: 100 MHz Max Speed: 2700 MHz Current Speed: 2700 MHz Status: Populated, Enabled Upgrade: Socket rPGA988B L1 Cache Handle: 0x0003 L2 Cache Handle: 0x0004 L3 Cache Handle: 0x0005 Serial Number: None Asset Tag: None Part Number: None Core Count: 4 Core Enabled: 4 Thread Count: 8 Characteristics: 64-bit capable Handle 0x0002, DMI type 7, 19 bytes Cache Information Socket Designation: L1-Cache Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1 Operational Mode: Write Through Location: Internal Installed Size: 32 kB Maximum Size: 32 kB Supported SRAM Types: Unknown Installed SRAM Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Parity System Type: Data Associativity: 8-way Set-associative Handle 0x0003, DMI type 7, 19 bytes Cache Information Socket Designation: L1-Cache Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1 Operational Mode: Write Through Location: Internal Installed Size: 32 kB Maximum Size: 32 kB Supported SRAM Types: Unknown Installed SRAM Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Parity System Type: Instruction Associativity: 8-way Set-associative Handle 0x0004, DMI type 7, 19 bytes Cache Information Socket Designation: L2-Cache Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2 Operational Mode: Write Through Location: Internal Installed Size: 256 kB Maximum Size: 256 kB Supported SRAM Types: Unknown Installed SRAM Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC System Type: Unified Associativity: 8-way Set-associative Handle 0x0005, DMI type 7, 19 bytes Cache Information Socket Designation: L3-Cache Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 3 Operational Mode: Write Back Location: Internal Installed Size: 8192 kB Maximum Size: 8192 kB Supported SRAM Types: Unknown Installed SRAM Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC System Type: Unified Associativity: 16-way Set-associative Handle 0x0006, DMI type 129, 8 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 81 08 06 00 01 01 02 01 Strings: Intel_ASF Intel_ASF_001 Handle 0x0007, DMI type 16, 23 bytes Physical Memory Array Location: System Board Or Motherboard Use: System Memory Error Correction Type: None Maximum Capacity: 32 GB Error Information Handle: Not Provided Number Of Devices: 4 Handle 0x0008, DMI type 17, 34 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0007 Error Information Handle: Not Provided Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 8192 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: ChannelA-DIMM0 Bank Locator: BANK 0 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1600 MHz Manufacturer: 029E Serial Number: 00000000 Asset Tag: None Part Number: CMSX8GX3M1A1600C1 Rank: Unknown Configured Clock Speed: 1600 MHz Handle 0x0009, DMI type 17, 34 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0007 Error Information Handle: Not Provided Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 8192 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: ChannelA-DIMM1 Bank Locator: BANK 1 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1600 MHz Manufacturer: 029E Serial Number: 00000000 Asset Tag: None Part Number: CMSX8GX3M1A1600C1 Rank: Unknown Configured Clock Speed: 1600 MHz Handle 0x000A, DMI type 17, 34 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0007 Error Information Handle: Not Provided Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 8192 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: ChannelB-DIMM0 Bank Locator: BANK 2 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1600 MHz Manufacturer: 029E Serial Number: 00000000 Asset Tag: None Part Number: CMSX8GX3M1A1600C1 Rank: Unknown Configured Clock Speed: 1600 MHz Handle 0x000B, DMI type 17, 34 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0007 Error Information Handle: Not Provided Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 8192 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: ChannelB-DIMM1 Bank Locator: BANK 3 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1600 MHz Manufacturer: 029E Serial Number: 00000000 Asset Tag: None Part Number: CMSX8GX3M1A1600C1 Rank: Unknown Configured Clock Speed: 1600 MHz Handle 0x000C, DMI type 20, 35 bytes Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x007FFFFFFFF Range Size: 32 GB Physical Device Handle: 0x0008 Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0010 Partition Row Position: 1 Interleave Position: 1 Interleaved Data Depth: 4 Handle 0x000D, DMI type 20, 35 bytes Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x007FFFFFFFF Range Size: 32 GB Physical Device Handle: 0x0009 Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0010 Partition Row Position: 1 Interleave Position: 2 Interleaved Data Depth: 4 Handle 0x000E, DMI type 20, 35 bytes Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x007FFFFFFFF Range Size: 32 GB Physical Device Handle: 0x000A Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0010 Partition Row Position: 1 Interleave Position: 3 Interleaved Data Depth: 4 Handle 0x000F, DMI type 20, 35 bytes Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x007FFFFFFFF Range Size: 32 GB Physical Device Handle: 0x000B Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0010 Partition Row Position: 1 Interleave Position: 4 Interleaved Data Depth: 4 Handle 0x0010, DMI type 19, 31 bytes Memory Array Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x007FFFFFFFF Range Size: 32 GB Physical Array Handle: 0x0007 Partition Width: 4 Handle 0x0011, DMI type 134, 13 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 86 0D 11 00 12 06 12 20 00 00 00 00 00 Handle 0x0012, DMI type 0, 24 bytes BIOS Information Vendor: LENOVO Version: G5ET28WW (1.06 ) Release Date: 05/21/2012 Address: 0xE0000 Runtime Size: 128 kB ROM Size: 12288 kB Characteristics: PCI is supported PNP is supported BIOS is upgradeable BIOS shadowing is allowed Boot from CD is supported Selectable boot is supported EDD is supported 3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h) Print screen service is supported (int 5h) 8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h) Serial services are supported (int 14h) Printer services are supported (int 17h) CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h) ACPI is supported USB legacy is supported BIOS boot specification is supported Targeted content distribution is supported UEFI is supported BIOS Revision: 1.6 Firmware Revision: 1.5 Handle 0x0013, DMI type 1, 27 bytes System Information Manufacturer: LENOVO Product Name: 2436CTO Version: ThinkPad W530 Serial Number: xxxxx UUID: 38A9A081-5152-11CB-830B-8F5E5AF8B498 Wake-up Type: Power Switch SKU Number: LENOVO_MT_2436 Family: ThinkPad W530 Handle 0x0014, DMI type 2, 15 bytes Base Board Information Manufacturer: LENOVO Product Name: 2436CTO Version: Not Available Serial Number: xxxxx Asset Tag: Not Available Features: Board is a hosting board Board is replaceable Location In Chassis: Not Available Chassis Handle: 0x0000 Type: Motherboard Contained Object Handles: 0 Handle 0x0015, DMI type 3, 22 bytes Chassis Information Manufacturer: LENOVO Type: Notebook Lock: Not Present Version: Not Available Serial Number: xxxxx Asset Tag: No Asset Information Boot-up State: Unknown Power Supply State: Unknown Thermal State: Unknown Security Status: Unknown OEM Information: 0x00000000 Height: Unspecified Number Of Power Cords: Unspecified Contained Elements: 0 SKU Number: LENOVO_MT_2436 Handle 0x0016, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: External Monitor External Connector Type: DB-15 female Port Type: Video Port Handle 0x0017, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: Mini DisplayPort External Connector Type: Other Port Type: Video Port Handle 0x0018, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0019, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x001A, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: Headphone/Microphone Combo Jack External Connector Type: Mini Jack (headphones) Port Type: Audio Port Handle 0x001B, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x001C, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x001D, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: Ethernet External Connector Type: RJ-45 Port Type: Network Port Handle 0x001E, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x001F, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: USB 1 External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB) Port Type: USB Handle 0x0020, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: USB 2 External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB) Port Type: USB Handle 0x0021, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: USB 3 External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB) Port Type: USB Handle 0x0022, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: USB 4 External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB) Port Type: USB Handle 0x0023, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0024, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0025, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0026, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0027, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0028, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0029, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x002A, DMI type 8, 9 bytes Port Connector Information Internal Reference Designator: Not Available Internal Connector Type: None External Reference Designator: IEEE1394 External Connector Type: IEEE 1394 Port Type: Firewire (IEEE P1394) Handle 0x002B, DMI type 126, 9 bytes Inactive Handle 0x002C, DMI type 9, 17 bytes System Slot Information Designation: ExpressCard Slot Type: x1 PCI Express Current Usage: Available Length: Other ID: 1 Characteristics: Hot-plug devices are supported Bus Address: 0000:00:00.0 Handle 0x002D, DMI type 9, 17 bytes System Slot Information Designation: Media Card Slot Type: Other Current Usage: Available Length: Other Characteristics: Hot-plug devices are supported Bus Address: 0000:00:00.0 Handle 0x002E, DMI type 126, 17 bytes Inactive Handle 0x002F, DMI type 10, 6 bytes On Board Device Information Type: Other Status: Disabled Description: IBM Embedded Security hardware Handle 0x0030, DMI type 12, 5 bytes System Configuration Options Handle 0x0031, DMI type 13, 22 bytes BIOS Language Information Language Description Format: Abbreviated Installable Languages: 1 en-US Currently Installed Language: en-US Handle 0x0032, DMI type 22, 26 bytes Portable Battery Location: Rear Manufacturer: SANYO Name: 45N1007 Design Capacity: 93240 mWh Design Voltage: 11100 mV SBDS Version: 03.01 Maximum Error: Unknown SBDS Serial Number: xxxxx SBDS Manufacture Date: 2012-05-16 SBDS Chemistry: LION OEM-specific Information: 0x00000000 Handle 0x0033, DMI type 126, 26 bytes Inactive Handle 0x0034, DMI type 18, 23 bytes 32-bit Memory Error Information Type: OK Granularity: Unknown Operation: Unknown Vendor Syndrome: Unknown Memory Array Address: Unknown Device Address: Unknown Resolution: Unknown Handle 0x0035, DMI type 21, 7 bytes Built-in Pointing Device Type: Track Point Interface: PS/2 Buttons: 3 Handle 0x0036, DMI type 21, 7 bytes Built-in Pointing Device Type: Touch Pad Interface: PS/2 Buttons: 2 Handle 0x0037, DMI type 131, 22 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 83 16 37 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 Strings: TVT-Enablement Handle 0x0038, DMI type 136, 6 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 88 06 38 00 5A 5A Handle 0x0039, DMI type 130, 20 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 82 14 39 00 24 41 4D 54 01 01 01 01 01 A5 FF 04 00 00 01 00 Handle 0x003A, DMI type 131, 64 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 83 40 3A 00 35 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 3D 00 F8 00 55 1E FF FF FF FF 09 E0 00 00 00 00 08 00 DA 05 0C 00 00 00 00 00 C8 00 02 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 62 00 00 00 76 50 72 6F 00 00 00 00 Handle 0x003B, DMI type 135, 74 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 87 4A 3B 00 54 50 07 02 42 41 59 20 49 2F 4F 20 03 00 06 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 02 04 FF 03 FF Handle 0x003C, DMI type 133, 5 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 85 05 3C 00 01 Strings: KHOIHGIUCCHHII Handle 0x003D, DMI type 15, 81 bytes System Event Log Area Length: 50 bytes Header Start Offset: 0x0000 Header Length: 16 bytes Data Start Offset: 0x0010 Access Method: General-purpose non-volatile data functions Access Address: 0x00F0 Status: Valid, Not Full Change Token: 0x00000002 Header Format: Type 1 Supported Log Type Descriptors: 29 Descriptor 1: Single-bit ECC memory error Data Format 1: Multiple-event handle Descriptor 2: Multi-bit ECC memory error Data Format 2: Multiple-event handle Descriptor 3: Parity memory error Data Format 3: None Descriptor 4: Bus timeout Data Format 4: None Descriptor 5: I/O channel block Data Format 5: None Descriptor 6: Software NMI Data Format 6: None Descriptor 7: POST memory resize Data Format 7: None Descriptor 8: POST error Data Format 8: POST results bitmap Descriptor 9: PCI parity error Data Format 9: None Descriptor 10: PCI system error Data Format 10: None Descriptor 11: CPU failure Data Format 11: None Descriptor 12: EISA failsafe timer timeout Data Format 12: None Descriptor 13: Correctable memory log disabled Data Format 13: None Descriptor 14: Logging disabled Data Format 14: None Descriptor 15: System limit exceeded Data Format 15: None Descriptor 16: Asynchronous hardware timer expired Data Format 16: None Descriptor 17: System configuration information Data Format 17: None Descriptor 18: Hard disk information Data Format 18: None Descriptor 19: System reconfigured Data Format 19: None Descriptor 20: Uncorrectable CPU-complex error Data Format 20: None Descriptor 21: Log area reset/cleared Data Format 21: None Descriptor 22: System boot Data Format 22: None Descriptor 23: OEM-specific Data Format 23: None Descriptor 24: OEM-specific Data Format 24: None Descriptor 25: OEM-specific Data Format 25: None Descriptor 26: OEM-specific Data Format 26: None Descriptor 27: OEM-specific Data Format 27: None Descriptor 28: OEM-specific Data Format 28: None Descriptor 29: OEM-specific Data Format 29: None Handle 0x003E, DMI type 140, 67 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 43 3E 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 00 01 24 05 FA 25 28 0B E8 27 34 CB 7D 2C 15 E2 DB F5 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Handle 0x003F, DMI type 140, 47 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 2F 3F 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 01 01 09 00 A9 6E F9 73 04 DE DE B6 B2 F7 91 C4 87 75 10 70 00 00 00 00 10 00 10 00 10 01 D0 00 20 01 00 01 Handle 0x0040, DMI type 140, 63 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 3F 40 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 02 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Handle 0x0041, DMI type 140, 17 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 11 41 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 03 01 00 00 00 00 Handle 0x0042, DMI type 140, 19 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 13 42 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 04 01 B2 00 4D 53 20 00 Handle 0x0043, DMI type 24, 5 bytes Hardware Security Power-On Password Status: Disabled Keyboard Password Status: Not Implemented Administrator Password Status: Disabled Front Panel Reset Status: Not Implemented Handle 0x0044, DMI type 132, 7 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 84 07 44 00 01 D8 36 Handle 0x0045, DMI type 135, 18 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 87 12 45 00 54 50 07 01 01 D5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Handle 0x0046, DMI type 140, 15 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 0F 46 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 07 01 01 02 Strings: G4HT31WW 04/27/2012 Handle 0x0047, DMI type 140, 43 bytes OEM-specific Type Header and Data: 8C 2B 47 00 4C 45 4E 4F 56 4F 0B 08 01 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF Handle 0xFEFF, DMI type 127, 4 bytes End Of Table ==== digimer On 24/09/13 15:29, Kristofer Rye wrote: -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?

Digimer wrote: That sounds like the window manager has crashed. You may be able to restart it if you know the command and one of the windows you can see happens to be a terminal. I have no idea how USB 3 can crash Gnome's window manager. -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer.

On 09/25/2013 12:14 AM, Digimer wrote: Déjà-vu: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-August/188273.html