Jos Poortvliet <jos <at> mijnkamer.nl> writes: > Dear people,In a few days KDE 4 alpha 1 will be released, and we would like > to give as many people as possible the opportunity to have a look at the next > generation Linux Desktop. Thus an article is being prepared to explain to > people how they can obtain KDE 4 Alpha 1 packages. A suse livecd already > exists, and packages will be available for Suse, Ubuntu, Debian and OS X, but > we haven't heard from the Fedora community yet. So, as to ensure the article > will be reasonable complete, we'd like to inquire if Fedora will have Alpha 1 > packages available to it's users. I have parallel-installable kdelibs4, kdepimlibs4 and kdebase4 packages which are currently at 3.80.3 (with assorted backported bugfixes) and which I'm planning to upgrade to alpha 1 as soon as it's out. However, my packages are primarily targeted at developers, not as a sneak preview for users like the SuSE KDE 4 Live CD. So the focus so far has been safe parallel-installability with KDE 3 (so a developer can work on KDE 3 and target KDE 4), not full module coverage. I think that for Fedora 8, we will want KDE 4 packaged differently, with KDE 4 as default, all KDE 4 modules packaged and compat-kdelibs3 (and probably compat-kdebase3 with a subset of the current KDE 3 kdebase, e.g. the KControl modules which are needed by some applications) to run programs which haven't been ported yet. (Hopefully we won't need more compat-kde*3 stuff.) But we have all been busy with the TODO list for the Fedora 7 release, so we didn't have time to discuss this, and thus it's just my personal plan. Of course, packaging for Fedora 8 will not start before Fedora 7 is out, which is 3 weeks from now if things go well. So I don't know of anyone working on KDE 4 packages like this. I'm sorry, but I'm not personally going to work on any KDE-4-as-default packages nor on any KDE 4 modules beyond the basic development platform (kdebase4 + dependencies) before Rawhide opens for Fedora 8 at the earliest. I'm already way too busy. IMHO, alpha 1 is too early for use as a default desktop for end users anyway. If you want to run (or develop) individual KDE 4 apps on a KDE 3 desktop, my packages are enough (I haven't packaged any such app yet though, and I probably won't have the time to package any any time soon); for replacing KDE 3 altogether, it's IMHO too early, Fedora 8 is the target I suggest there (but I may even be overruled and the target set to Fedora 9 instead, we haven't had a chance to discuss this yet; it will also depend on the Fedora 8 schedule which AFAIK is not decided yet).

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Jos Poortvliet <jos <at> mijnkamer.nl> writes: > It sounds like I can mention Fedora only has the base packages, mostly aimed > at developers. Can you point me to a location I can link to where users can > get these packages (or instructions how to get them)? They are in the kde-redhat unstable repository. http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ Kevin Kofler

When the hussle-bussle dies down (after F7 release?), we can work to submit these for review in Fedora proper.

> Do we really want KDE 4 packaged like that in Fedora 8? May 24 + 6 months = > November 24, that's a month after the planned KDE 4.0 release (October 23). > Thus I suggest upgrading all of KDE to the alphas in Rawhide as soon as > possible after Rawhide opens for F8 Let wait and see if the KDE project can release KDE-4.0 in time.

I would not like F8 ship a release candidate of KDE4. The KDE desktop is the central part of the KDE spin of Fedora. It has to be stable.

Laurent Rineau wrote: > On Thursday 03 May 2007 15:48:22 Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes: >> > When the hussle-bussle dies down (after F7 release?), we can work to >> > submit these for review in Fedora proper. >> >> Do we really want KDE 4 packaged like that in Fedora 8? May 24 + 6 months = >> November 24, that's a month after the planned KDE 4.0 release (October 23). >> Thus I suggest upgrading all of KDE to the alphas in Rawhide as soon as >> possible after Rawhide opens for F8 > > Let wait and see if the KDE project can release KDE-4.0 in time. > > I would not like F8 ship a release candidate of KDE4. The KDE desktop is the > central part of the KDE spin of Fedora. It has to be stable. Release candidates are probably fine. We have shipped release candidates of GNOME, and other software at times. Basically, RCs are the releases that upstream thinks can be releases, but would rather get a wider amount of feedback before making it the actual release. In many cases, upstreams simply rebuild the RC and call it final. What we don't want are alphas or betas or random cvs snapshots in a final release. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

What we don't want are alphas or betas or random cvs snapshots in a final release.

On Thursday 03 May 2007 10:35:17 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > What really matters is how much testing that particular software got > externally and in a Fedora environment, upstream and developer > coordination etc. Sometimes alphas or betas or random cvs snapshots are > much more stable than the previously supposedly stable release and is > even recommended by upstream in some instances. Well, what really matters is what upstream is planning on doing with the codebase. We ship "pre" releases of various types at various times, but always with a mind of what the upstream will do with them. Most often we ship it only if it goes into a bugfix mode only, and the final release falls somewhere in line with our final freeze date. We absolutely make sure that there aren't any feature enhancements planned for after our feature freeze.

And the feature freeze is even earlier, June 1st, that will be _well_ before F8's feature freeze.

Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes: > When the hussle-bussle dies down (after F7 release?), we can work to > submit these for review in Fedora proper. Do we really want KDE 4 packaged like that in Fedora 8?