10:34 p.m.
On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 21:27 -0700, Byron Steele wrote:
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I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing
list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way to
unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
registering a Fedora account?
Previously the option to unsubscribe was front-and-center when clicking
the link at the bottom of each mail.
Michael
10:45 p.m.
On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our
mailing
list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way to
unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
registering a Fedora account?
There's info in the email headers although if you're not that familiar
with mailing lists that's not exactly discoverable.
11:02 p.m.
On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 20:45 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our
> mailing
> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
>
> It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way
> to
> unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
> registering a Fedora account?
>
There's info in the email headers although if you're not that
familiar
with mailing lists that's not exactly discoverable.
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Mailing List -> Unsubscribe from List.
6:02 a.m.
Samuel Sieb writes:
On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing
> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
>
> It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way to
> unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
> registering a Fedora account?
>
There's info in the email headers although if you're not that familiar with
mailing lists that's not exactly discoverable.
Robust mail clients can use the RFC 2369 headers to prominently present an
unsubscribe link when displaying list mail.
7:38 a.m.
On 8 January 2016 at 12:02, Sam Varshavchik <mrsam(a)courier-mta.com> wrote:
Samuel Sieb writes:
> On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>>
>> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing
>> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
>>
>> It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way to
>> unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
>> registering a Fedora account?
>>
> There's info in the email headers although if you're not that familiar
> with mailing lists that's not exactly discoverable.
Robust mail clients can use the RFC 2369 headers to prominently present an
unsubscribe link when displaying list mail.
Excellent, that's that solved then.
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7:53 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Ian Malone <ibmalone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 8 January 2016 at 12:02, Sam Varshavchik
<mrsam(a)courier-mta.com> wrote:
> Samuel Sieb writes:
>
>> On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>>>
>>> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing
>>> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
>>>
>>> It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way to
>>> unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
>>> registering a Fedora account?
>>>
>> There's info in the email headers although if you're not that familiar
>> with mailing lists that's not exactly discoverable.
>
>
> Robust mail clients can use the RFC 2369 headers to prominently present
an
> unsubscribe link when displaying list mail.
>
Excellent, that's that solved then.
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Unfortunately GMail's web interface does not seem to recognize those
headers :(. So a fair number of uses will have issues.
BTW thats a great tip on the headers, never know about them until today
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8 a.m.
Am 08.01.2016 um 14:53 schrieb Mark Bidewell:
Unfortunately GMail's web interface does not seem to recognize
those
headers :(. So a fair number of uses will have issues.
what is the purpose of breaking DMARC by add a list-footer pointing to a
site with no unsubscribe-information
why can't the list-footer contain that information at all or just be
removed when it has no real use besides breaking DMARC/DKIM and get
quoted by careless people making read posts harder?
FIX THAT HEADERS IN GENERAL - THE "--"-line needs to be "-- " for
MUA's
recognize it as signature and don't quote it all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel.lists.fedoraproject.org/
BTW thats a great tip on the headers, never know about them until
today
every mailing list for decades has that headers
3:39 p.m.
On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 03:00:13PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 08.01.2016 um 14:53 schrieb Mark Bidewell:
>Unfortunately GMail's web interface does not seem to recognize those
>headers :(. So a fair number of uses will have issues.
what is the purpose of breaking DMARC by add a list-footer pointing to a
site with no unsubscribe-information
why can't the list-footer contain that information at all or just be removed
when it has no real use besides breaking DMARC/DKIM and get quoted by
careless people making read posts harder?
FIX THAT HEADERS IN GENERAL - THE "--"-line needs to be "-- " for
MUA's
recognize it as signature and don't quote it all the time
Did you file this bug upstream?
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9:26 p.m.
Am 08.01.2016 um 22:39 schrieb Paul W. Frields:
On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 03:00:13PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 08.01.2016 um 14:53 schrieb Mark Bidewell:
>> Unfortunately GMail's web interface does not seem to recognize those
>> headers :(. So a fair number of uses will have issues.
>
> what is the purpose of breaking DMARC by add a list-footer pointing to a
> site with no unsubscribe-information
>
> why can't the list-footer contain that information at all or just be removed
> when it has no real use besides breaking DMARC/DKIM and get quoted by
> careless people making read posts harder?
>
> FIX THAT HEADERS IN GENERAL - THE "--"-line needs to be "-- " for
MUA's
> recognize it as signature and don't quote it all the time
Did you file this bug upstream?
not sure if the list-footer is a upstream thing
for this reply it was not necessary to strip the footer because before
was your signature with a correct "-- " containg a trailing space at the
end of the line
12:36 p.m.
On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 08:53 -0500, Mark Bidewell wrote:
Unfortunately GMail's web interface does not seem to recognize
those
headers :(. So a fair number of uses will have issues.
I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest users
look there for anything, much less for a way to unsubscribe from a
mailing list.
Actually the GMail web interface is the only place I have ever seen
email headers. In the web interface there is (or used to be) an option
to view the "raw message."
Michael
12:40 p.m.
Am 09.01.2016 um 19:36 schrieb Michael Catanzaro:
On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 08:53 -0500, Mark Bidewell wrote:
> Unfortunately GMail's web interface does not seem to recognize those
> headers :(. So a fair number of uses will have issues.
I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest users
look there for anything, much less for a way to unsubscribe from a
mailing list
well, because MUA's implement all sort of crap instead *useful*
functions, otherwise *any* MUA would have a "reply-list" and
"unsubscribe-list" button based on th email headers
https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/thunderbird/addon/unsubscribe-from-maili...
*any* proper mailing-list system is sending that headers
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt
12:46 p.m.
On Saturday 09 Jan 2016 12:36:08 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest users
look there for anything, much less for a way to unsubscribe from a
mailing list.
That's very hard to believe. You may have over looked it. There are at least 2
places if not more where source of an email is available in KMail. View>Source
or right-click email>Source or via shortcut V.
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12:51 p.m.
Am 09.01.2016 um 19:46 schrieb Sudhir Khanger:
On Saturday 09 Jan 2016 12:36:08 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
> client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest users
> look there for anything, much less for a way to unsubscribe from a
> mailing list.
That's very hard to believe. You may have over looked it. There are at least 2
places if not more where source of an email is available in KMail. View>Source
or right-click email>Source or via shortcut V.
it's possible in nearly any mail client
many have even options to show them always
http://www.list-unsubscribe.com/
https://answers.stanford.edu/solution/how-view-full-email-headers
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH19118?viewlocale=en_US&locale=de_AT
http://email.about.com/od/mozillathunderbirdtips/qt/How-to-View-Complete-...
https://support.office.com/en-in/article/View-e-mail-message-headers-cd03...
1:38 p.m.
On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 12:36:08 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest users
look there for anything, much less for a way to unsubscribe from a
mailing list.
The smarter mail client would NOT display those headers, but would offer
features that do something useful based on whether those headers are
found.
For example, Claws Mail offers a "Message > Mailing-List" menu with
entries like "Post", "Unsubscribe", "Help", "View
Archive", "Contact
owner".
6:26 p.m.
On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 12:36:08 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest users
Interesting. In Claws Mail for this message I'm seeing
From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
X-Mailer:
Organization:
Message-ID:
(true, they may not all be shown by default)
Actually the GMail web interface is the only place I have ever seen
email headers. In the web interface there is (or used to be) an option
to view the "raw message."
Most mail clients should have that option I think (off the top of my
head at least Claws Mail & Thunderbird do).
Andrew
6:47 p.m.
Am Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:26:14 +0000
schrieb Andrew Clayton <andrew(a)digital-domain.net>:
On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 12:36:08 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I, Michael Catanzaro, have never in my entire life seen any email
> client display mail headers. It's beyond unreasonable to suggest
> users
Interesting. In Claws Mail for this message I'm seeing
From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
X-Mailer:
Organization:
Message-ID:
(true, they may not all be shown by default)
> Actually the GMail web interface is the only place I have ever seen
> email headers. In the web interface there is (or used to be) an
> option to view the "raw message."
Most mail clients should have that option I think (off the top of my
head at least Claws Mail & Thunderbird do).
Andrew
At least Claws and Evolution have a "Message -> Mailinglist ->
Unsubscribe" (or similar) menu if you are on a mailinglist mail (with
the appropriate headers), so there is no need to know that these headers
exist.
And additional I get a mailinglist memebrships reminder once per month
with detailed instructions how to change my membership-status, either
per mail or with the browser.
Jens
6:43 a.m.
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:26:14 +0000, Andrew Clayton wrote:
Interesting. In Claws Mail for this message I'm seeing
From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
X-Mailer:
Organization:
Message-ID:
(true, they may not all be shown by default)
Preferences > Message View > Text Options > Headers
Claws Mail can be adjusted quite a lot in that area.
Ctrl+H to show all headers.
Various other mail programs also at least displays a few headers,
such as Subject, Date, To and From.
5:01 a.m.
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Am 08.01.2016 um 05:34 schrieb Michael Catanzaro:
On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 21:27 -0700, Byron Steele wrote:
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I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing
list, when I discovered *I don't know how.*
It seems with HyperKitty we no longer have an easily-accessible way to
unsubscribe from our mailing lists. How can this be done without
registering a Fedora account?
Previously the option to unsubscribe was front-and-center when clicking
the link at the bottom of each mail.
by sending the unscubscribe mail to the corerct address
just look at the list headers
List-Unsubscribe:
<http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>;,
<mailto:devel-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org>
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