6:15 p.m.
Greetings from Feature Country,
If you are a current Fedora 9 feature owner, please make sure your
feature has been accepted and is listed on this page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList. If you expected
to find your feature there, but did not, please make sure your feature
page is complete and in CategoryProposedFeature so that I can propose it
for acceptance at FESCo's next meeting.
Just a brief reminder that the Fedora 9 Feature Freeze is currently
schedule for Tuesday, March, 4, 2008. This means a few things.
First, after this date *no new features will be accepted for Fedora 9*
as we shift our attention from development and testing to stabilization,
testing, testing, and testing.
Second, with the Fedora 9 Beta release following the freeze date we will
be asking all feature owners to review their feature pages to make sure
they are current, update the % of completion and "last updated date".
Information on these pages will serve as a community focal point for
your feature.
Third, any features that are not complete by the freeze date will be
evaluated by FESCo to determine if they should remain in Fedora 9 or be
deferred to a future release. If you know for sure that your feature is
not ready for Fedora 9, please change its feature page to
CategoryProposedFeature to save us time making this determination.
The complete feature process is described here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy
Thanks for your help,
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1:52 p.m.
John Poelstra <poelstra <at> redhat.com> writes:
Second, with the Fedora 9 Beta release following the freeze date we
will
be asking all feature owners to review their feature pages to make sure
they are current, update the % of completion and "last updated date".
Unfortunately, those "last updated dates" don't make any sense after your
latest edits: the wiki software is filling in the date or time a page is
_viewed_ at for Date() and DateTime(), not the date it has been last _edited_
at, so the date will always look current even if the feature hasn't been
updated for ages.
Kevin Kofler
8:53 p.m.
Kevin Kofler said the following on 02/23/2008 11:52 AM Pacific Time:
John Poelstra <poelstra <at> redhat.com> writes:
> Second, with the Fedora 9 Beta release following the freeze date we will
> be asking all feature owners to review their feature pages to make sure
> they are current, update the % of completion and "last updated date".
Unfortunately, those "last updated dates" don't make any sense after your
latest edits: the wiki software is filling in the date or time a page is
_viewed_ at for Date() and DateTime(), not the date it has been last _edited_
at, so the date will always look current even if the feature hasn't been
updated for ages.
Kevin Kofler
Hmmm... that is bad :( I was trying to make it one less thing for
people worry about. I guess I'll revert them all.
Thanks for pointing this out.
John
9:20 a.m.
* John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com> [2008-02-23 13:40]:
Greetings from Feature Country,
If you are a current Fedora 9 feature owner, please make sure your feature
has been accepted and is listed on this page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList. If you expected to
find your feature there, but did not, please make sure your feature page is
complete and in CategoryProposedFeature so that I can propose it for
acceptance at FESCo's next meeting.
Just a brief reminder that the Fedora 9 Feature Freeze is currently
schedule for Tuesday, March, 4, 2008. This means a few things.
First, after this date *no new features will be accepted for Fedora 9* as
we shift our attention from development and testing to stabilization,
testing, testing, and testing.
Second, with the Fedora 9 Beta release following the freeze date we will be
asking all feature owners to review their feature pages to make sure they
are current, update the % of completion and "last updated date".
Information on these pages will serve as a community focal point for your
feature.
Third, any features that are not complete by the freeze date will be
evaluated by FESCo to determine if they should remain in Fedora 9 or be
deferred to a future release. If you know for sure that your feature is
not ready for Fedora 9, please change its feature page to
CategoryProposedFeature to save us time making this determination.
The complete feature process is described here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy
Hi,
Sorry if this has been asked earlier. I was unable to find any answer to
this question on google/wiki:
What about updates/additions for packages that are not a "feature"? In
my case, I am working on a maven update.. and while I am trying hard to
get it in before march 4th, it spans 20+ packages -- many of them new ..
if I cannot make it by March 4th, does it mean I can still put it in
a little later, but still have it make F9?
Deepak
Thanks for your help,
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10:10 a.m.
Deepak Bhole <dbhole(a)redhat.com> wrote:
* John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com> [2008-02-23 13:40]:
> Greetings from Feature Country,
>
> If you are a current Fedora 9 feature owner, please make sure your feature
> has been accepted and is listed on this page:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList. If you expected to
> find your feature there, but did not, please make sure your feature page is
> complete and in CategoryProposedFeature so that I can propose it for
> acceptance at FESCo's next meeting.
All well and good, but right now rawhide is /very/ broken:
- X doesn't get along with keyboards and mice
- GNOME settings daemon crashes, much of GNOME doesn't work as a result
- Latest kernels just hang on boot or are unable to start X
- gdm crashes X
I'd vote for ironing those out before going forward with any kind of freeze
(or do a "bug-fix-only freeze", which I'm sure will overrun the schedule
anyway).
I don't remember an upcomming Red Hat/Fedora release in which rawhide was
this badly broken.
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10:21 a.m.
New subject: Fedora 9 Feature Freeze Approaching--All Feature Owners Please Read
Le Mar 26 février 2008 17:10, Horst H. von Brand a écrit :
All well and good, but right now rawhide is /very/ broken:
- X doesn't get along with keyboards and mice
This seems mainly a config problem, right?
I don't remember an upcomming Red Hat/Fedora release in which
rawhide
was this badly broken.
Oh, the powers of selective memory...
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10:59 a.m.
Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Le Mar 26 février 2008 17:10, Horst H. von Brand a écrit :
> All well and good, but right now rawhide is /very/ broken:
>
> - X doesn't get along with keyboards and mice
This seems mainly a config problem, right?
Looks that way, but no solution is forthcomming. And the partial solutions
that float around work fine (OK, for somewhat peculiar definitions of
"fine") for some, and not at all for others (right now, I'm mostly in the
"others" category ;-).
> I don't remember an upcomming Red Hat/Fedora release in
which rawhide
> was this badly broken.
Oh, the powers of selective memory...
I remember times of great turmoil and breakage when new compilers or new X
or new GNOME or new OOo were introduced, then things calmed down a bit
(sure, some pieces I used daily sometimes were still quite broken, but
nothing really rock-bottom ground of the system) before calls for "feature
freezes" and such came out. This round feels different (gcc-4.3 betas,
firefox betas, radical reworking of X, ...).
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11:39 a.m.
New subject: Fedora 9 Feature Freeze Approaching--All Feature Owners Please Read
Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net> wrote:
> Le Mar 26 février 2008 17:10, Horst H. von Brand a écrit :
> > All well and good, but right now rawhide is /very/ broken:
> >
> > - X doesn't get along with keyboards and mice
>
> This seems mainly a config problem, right?
Looks that way, but no solution is forthcomming. And the partial solutions
that float around work fine (OK, for somewhat peculiar definitions of
"fine") for some, and not at all for others (right now, I'm mostly in the
"others" category ;-).
The latest xorg update has fixed my problems with usb mice. (And the
scrollbar actually works on my touchpad for the first time.)
> > I don't remember an upcomming Red Hat/Fedora release in
which rawhide
> > was this badly broken.
>
> Oh, the powers of selective memory...
I remember times of great turmoil and breakage when new compilers or new X
or new GNOME or new OOo were introduced, then things calmed down a bit
(sure, some pieces I used daily sometimes were still quite broken, but
nothing really rock-bottom ground of the system) before calls for "feature
freezes" and such came out. This round feels different (gcc-4.3 betas,
firefox betas, radical reworking of X, ...).
There are things I would like to test. Not having a video driver that
works with Compiz-Fusion kind of delays that. (I blame nVIDIA.)
I would like to be able to get NetworkManager to actually work on my
laptop. I have yet to get it to behave with the b43 chipset. (I can get
the wireless chip working, but I have to use wlassistant to get it to
connect correctly.)
The changes to Tex have caused some of my builds to go south. I have not
had time to track down the cause. I expect that the change from TeTex to
TexLive will cause more than one headache for the packages formally known
as extras.
Too many weird little pieces seem to need to be hacked around at this
point. The question is if adding something else would help stability or
just break it even further.
Font management tools for users would be helpful. The current system of
adding fonts is pretty obscure from a user viewpoint. (At least in
Gnome.) There are other things I will probably think of as soon as I send
this...
1:28 p.m.
Le mardi 26 février 2008 à 09:39 -0800, Alan a écrit :
Font management tools for users would be helpful. The current system
of
adding fonts is pretty obscure from a user viewpoint. (At least in
Gnome.) There are other things I will probably think of as soon as I send
this...
Would font management tools be useful in general, or would they be
useful because the set of FLOSS fonts we ship is not complete enough?
We've added a lot of new font packages during this cycle.
Regards,
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1:32 p.m.
New subject: Fedora 9 Feature Freeze Approaching--All Feature Owners Please Read
Le mardi 26 février 2008 à 09:39 -0800, Alan a écrit :
> Font management tools for users would be helpful. The current system of
> adding fonts is pretty obscure from a user viewpoint. (At least in
> Gnome.) There are other things I will probably think of as soon as I
> send
> this...
Would font management tools be useful in general, or would they be
useful because the set of FLOSS fonts we ship is not complete enough?
We've added a lot of new font packages during this cycle.
If you are doing any sort of word processing and/or page layout you want
to be able to add fonts. NO set of fonts will be complete enough for
someone who is trying to create something for publication. Making this
easy for users reduces frustration for them and complaints of "not ready
for real usage" for everyone else.
7:37 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:39:29 -0800,
Alan <alan(a)clueserver.org> wrote:
The changes to Tex have caused some of my builds to go south. I have not
had time to track down the cause. I expect that the change from TeTex to
TexLive will cause more than one headache for the packages formally known
as extras.
I think there are bad scripts for doing clean up after an upgrade (at
least using yum). When I do rpm -V checks there are a lot of texmf
files missing. Doing an rpm -Uvh --force of the various texlive rpms
seems to fix the problem temporarily.
3:25 p.m.
Hi.
Horst H. von Brand schrieb:
All well and good, but right now rawhide is /very/ broken:
...for some people. I don't know why, but I have almost no
problems.
- X doesn't get along with keyboards and mice
Works for me (apart from Ctrl-Alt-Fn)
- GNOME settings daemon crashes, much of GNOME doesn't work as a
result
Yep, seen that.
- Latest kernels just hang on boot or are unable to start X
Works for me
- gdm crashes X
Works for me.
3:37 p.m.
New subject: Fedora 9 Feature Freeze Approaching--All Feature Owners Please Read
Hi.
Horst H. von Brand schrieb:
> All well and good, but right now rawhide is /very/ broken:
...for some people. I don't know why, but I have almost no
problems.
I have occasional problems with missing pieces. (Package X needs version
y of package z which is not built yet.) That is pretty standard with
Rawhide. I just upgrade what I can.
> - X doesn't get along with keyboards and mice
Works for me (apart from Ctrl-Alt-Fn)
The mouse problem is fixed in the latest xorg. Ctrl-alt-fn is still broken.)
> - GNOME settings daemon crashes, much of GNOME doesn't work
as a result
Yep, seen that.
I have not seen that. Maybe I am lucky.
> - Latest kernels just hang on boot or are unable to start X
Works for me
The only time I had that problem was when I tried to install the
commercial driver from nVIDIA. That was *bad*.
> - gdm crashes X
Works for me.
Now if I could just get it to configure correctly... gdmsetup seems to be
missing.
1:17 p.m.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:20:23 -0500
Deepak Bhole <dbhole(a)redhat.com> wrote:
What about updates/additions for packages that are not a
"feature"? In
my case, I am working on a maven update.. and while I am trying hard
to get it in before march 4th, it spans 20+ packages -- many of them
new .. if I cannot make it by March 4th, does it mean I can still put
it in a little later, but still have it make F9?
Yes you can. We'll still accept new packages after the beta.
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