3:32 a.m.
Hello folks,
this is just a reminder that there is a Fedora Packager Dashboard that you
might not know about:
Go to https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/
Enter your FAS username, (sit down and relax for a while if coming for the
first time) and enjoy aggregated information about your Fedora and EPEL
packages from:
- Bugzilla
- Bodhi
- ABRT
- Koschei
- src.fedoraproject.org PRs
- orphans reports
- non-installability reports
- Fedora release schedule
- Package calendars (currently GNOME and Python, but extensible)
- and possibly more in the future
With various filtering options.
Also works for FAS groups or custom views of multiple users that can be used
for triages, e.g.:
https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?users=churchyard,p...
See the help page for more:
https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/helpmepls
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4:20 a.m.
New subject: [Dev] Check out the Fedora Packager Dashboard!
On 25. 08. 22 11:14, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
> With various filtering options.
Is it also possible to sort packages? For example to have my own
packages listed first and any group packages later?
The current sorting options are:
- Package name
- Issue count
- FTI, FTBFS and orphans first
- Packages with the most recent item first
If you wan more options, file an RFE ticket at
https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/packager_dashboard/issues
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4:43 a.m.
While I really like the idea, I find the interface to be... how do I put it?
Non-obvious and not very discoverable.
For example, at the top of the page, there's a bunch of numbers. I have no idea what
they mean.
Hovering over each of these displays a tooltip - which is nice - but five seconds after
that tooltip disappears,
I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual clutter. It would
be immensely helpful
to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to easily guess what
each of them means.
Right now I pretty much have to memorize the layout.
The same goes for the comment/karma numbers and priority markings on the list of bugs.
Although here it's actually a bit worse, since my browser doesn't display the
tooltips
and I had to use the dev tools to take a look at the underlying HTML to make sense of it.
Similarly, at the top of the page, I get a banner that informs me about FAS integration
and says:
After linking the dashboard with your FAS through the settings
menu...
Which is all nice and dandy, but doing a Ctrl+F on the page for
"settings" gives exactly one match -
that being the text in the banner. So there's no visible link to said "settings
menu" anywhere.
How do I access it?
All in all, while this is a very useful project, the current UI makes it hard to make the
best of it.
A.FI.
4:53 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:43 AM Artur Frenszek-Iwicki <
suve(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
For example, at the top of the page, there's a bunch of numbers.
I have no
idea what they mean.
Hovering over each of these displays a tooltip - which is nice - but five
seconds after that tooltip disappears,
I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual
clutter. It would be immensely helpful
to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to
easily guess what each of them means.
According to your description, your browser might be broken, perhaps due to
some content blocking?
See this screenshot, there are symbolic icons everywhere, there's a
Settings cog in upper right, etc:
https://i.imgur.com/gFKDUT2.png
File a bug, if the missing icons are not caused by your customized browser
configuration.
4:54 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:43 AM Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
<suve(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
While I really like the idea, I find the interface to be... how do I put it?
Non-obvious and not very discoverable.
For example, at the top of the page, there's a bunch of numbers. I have no idea what
they mean.
Hovering over each of these displays a tooltip - which is nice - but five seconds after
that tooltip disappears,
I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual clutter. It
would be immensely helpful
to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to easily guess what
each of them means.
Right now I pretty much have to memorize the layout.
Sounds like you need to clear your browser cache or something, because
there *are* symbols next to these numbers:
https://decathorpe.fedorapeople.org/packager-dashboard.png
The same goes for the comment/karma numbers and priority markings on
the list of bugs.
Although here it's actually a bit worse, since my browser doesn't display the
tooltips
and I had to use the dev tools to take a look at the underlying HTML to make sense of
it.
Similarly, at the top of the page, I get a banner that informs me about FAS integration
and says:
> After linking the dashboard with your FAS through the settings menu...
Which is all nice and dandy, but doing a Ctrl+F on the page for "settings"
gives exactly one match -
that being the text in the banner. So there's no visible link to said "settings
menu" anywhere.
How do I access it?
The big "gear" icon (the almost universal symbol for "Settings") in
the top panel should be what you're looking for.
Fabio
5:14 a.m.
Sounds like you need to clear your browser cache or something
Yeah, looks like it. I refreshed the page via F5 and it didn't help.
Doing a full page reload via Ctrl+R helped.
According to your description, your browser might be broken,
perhaps due to some content blocking?
See this screenshot, there are symbolic icons everywhere
The icons are loaded from
fontawesome's domain,
not fedoraproject's, which made NoScript block them.
So oops, I done goofed. But hey, at least I got
to see the improvements immediately! :-)
A.FI.
11:21 a.m.
Fabio Valentini wrote:
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:43 AM Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
<suve(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual clutter. It
would be immensely helpful
> to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to easily guess
what each of them means.
Sounds like you need to clear your browser cache or something, because
there *are* symbols next to these numbers:
https://decathorpe.fedorapeople.org/packager-dashboard.png
I too can see the icons when I allow fontawesome.com, but few of them
help with understanding the numbers. The beetle for "bugs" and the
speech bubble for "comments" are pretty obvious, but I still have to
point to all the others to find out what they mean, and even then many
of them seem completely random. How does a lightning bolt symbolize
updates? What's the connection between a shield and priority? A
triangle, a circle and a square combine into "overrides"? There are two
different line chart icons. How does one remember which is which? And a
seatbelt apparently means "orphans" somehow.
I assume that "PRs" stands for "pull requests". The icon for that is
the word "git". That's better than a random unrelated picture, but if a
picture is just text, then it should be actual text and not a picture.
It's also somewhat inaccurate because pull requests aren't a Git thing
but a concept that some web interfaces layer on top of Git.
Rather than hiding the intelligible words in mouseover boxes, it would
be better to write them directly on the screen instead of the icons. If
there is some idea that the icons should be language-independent, then
the beetle also fails. Software defects are not called insects in all
languages.
> Similarly, at the top of the page, I get a banner that informs
me about FAS integration and says:
> > After linking the dashboard with your FAS through the settings menu...
> Which is all nice and dandy, but doing a Ctrl+F on the page for "settings"
gives exactly one match -
> that being the text in the banner. So there's no visible link to said
"settings menu" anywhere.
> How do I access it?
The big "gear" icon (the almost universal symbol for "Settings") in
the top panel should be what you're looking for.
The gear is called "Options", and beside it is an icon called
"Customize dashboard". "Settings" could refer to either of those. It
would be nice to have consistent terminology, but hey, we can always
click on everything and explore.
The gear icon is also misleading. It alludes to machinery in motion, so
it suggests a menu of commands to do things, rather than options or
settings. There is a wrench icon that would be a good symbol for
settings, but that apparently means Koschei.
Björn Persson
7:05 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 06:21:23PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:43 AM Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
> <suve(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual
clutter. It would be immensely helpful
> > to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to easily
guess what each of them means.
>
> Sounds like you need to clear your browser cache or something, because
> there *are* symbols next to these numbers:
> https://decathorpe.fedorapeople.org/packager-dashboard.png
I too can see the icons when I allow fontawesome.com, but few of them
help with understanding the numbers. The beetle for "bugs" and the
speech bubble for "comments" are pretty obvious, but I still have to
point to all the others to find out what they mean, and even then many
of them seem completely random. How does a lightning bolt symbolize
updates? What's the connection between a shield and priority? A
triangle, a circle and a square combine into "overrides"? There are two
different line chart icons. How does one remember which is which? And a
seatbelt apparently means "orphans" somehow.
Hi Björn,
I'll reply to your mail, but it's something that I wanted to express
also in reply to some previous replies in this thread…
It's valid to critique individual details of design, but I think it
is important to remember that the page is _supposed_ to be "dense".
It is intended to pack a lot of information into a small area, and it
is also _intended_ to be used by a narrow group people over and over
and over. I think a lot of the critisism that numbers are only shown
with symbolic icons and that abbreviations are used, etc, applies the
first few times one uses the page, and after a while one remembers what
is what. And the page does have tooltips and help with that first few
times. If anything, I expect that _more_ information will be packed
into the page over time.
I assume that "PRs" stands for "pull requests".
The icon for that is
the word "git". That's better than a random unrelated picture, but if a
picture is just text, then it should be actual text and not a picture.
It's also somewhat inaccurate because pull requests aren't a Git thing
but a concept that some web interfaces layer on top of Git.
Strictly speaking, the concept of pull requests predate the web frontends.
E-mail pull requests were part of the original way people used git…
Rather than hiding the intelligible words in mouseover boxes, it
would
be better to write them directly on the screen instead of the icons. If
there is some idea that the icons should be language-independent, then
the beetle also fails. Software defects are not called insects in all
languages.
> > Similarly, at the top of the page, I get a banner that informs me about FAS
integration and says:
> > > After linking the dashboard with your FAS through the settings menu...
> > Which is all nice and dandy, but doing a Ctrl+F on the page for
"settings" gives exactly one match -
> > that being the text in the banner. So there's no visible link to said
"settings menu" anywhere.
> > How do I access it?
>
> The big "gear" icon (the almost universal symbol for "Settings")
in
> the top panel should be what you're looking for.
The gear is called "Options", and beside it is an icon called
"Customize dashboard". "Settings" could refer to either of those. It
would be nice to have consistent terminology, but hey, we can always
click on everything and explore.
The gear icon is also misleading. It alludes to machinery in motion, so
it suggests a menu of commands to do things, rather than options or
settings. There is a wrench icon that would be a good symbol for
settings, but that apparently means Koschei.
Yeah, the split between 'search' and 'Options' is not very clear.
Maybe it'd make sense to change the gear icon to an eye icon, because there
aren't settings there, but mostly switches to turn things on and off in the
view.
Zbyszek
8:19 a.m.
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
I think it
is important to remember that the page is _supposed_ to be "dense".
It is intended to pack a lot of information into a small area
It leaves plenty of empty space on my screen. It seems to prioritize
aesthetics over information density.
Björn Persson
7:52 a.m.
Björn,
I won't be addressing the comments one-by-one, as it mostly boils down
to "I don't like the UI/UX" (how I read it, at least). And I
absolutely understand and accept that. On the other hand, we (as in
the people who developed this) are, well, developers, and that about
sums up the UX optimizations :)
The current state makes sense for us, but we are very open to pull
requests and improvements. Or, if you don't feel like diving into
JavaScript, you can put together a feature request that will, in
detail, document the UI changes you'd like to see, the different icon
choice you made, and explain why you believe those are more
"universally understood" or better. I'm not promising everything will
be accepted, but once again, I know for a fact the UI could be better.
Thanks for taking the time to sum up your thoughts, we are looking
forward to seeing less "this sucks" and more "here's how I'd fix
it,
though"!
J.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 6:22 PM Björn Persson <Bjorn(a)xn--rombobjrn-67a.se> wrote:
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:43 AM Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
> <suve(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual
clutter. It would be immensely helpful
> > to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to easily
guess what each of them means.
>
> Sounds like you need to clear your browser cache or something, because
> there *are* symbols next to these numbers:
> https://decathorpe.fedorapeople.org/packager-dashboard.png
I too can see the icons when I allow fontawesome.com, but few of them
help with understanding the numbers. The beetle for "bugs" and the
speech bubble for "comments" are pretty obvious, but I still have to
point to all the others to find out what they mean, and even then many
of them seem completely random. How does a lightning bolt symbolize
updates? What's the connection between a shield and priority? A
triangle, a circle and a square combine into "overrides"? There are two
different line chart icons. How does one remember which is which? And a
seatbelt apparently means "orphans" somehow.
I assume that "PRs" stands for "pull requests". The icon for that is
the word "git". That's better than a random unrelated picture, but if a
picture is just text, then it should be actual text and not a picture.
It's also somewhat inaccurate because pull requests aren't a Git thing
but a concept that some web interfaces layer on top of Git.
Rather than hiding the intelligible words in mouseover boxes, it would
be better to write them directly on the screen instead of the icons. If
there is some idea that the icons should be language-independent, then
the beetle also fails. Software defects are not called insects in all
languages.
> > Similarly, at the top of the page, I get a banner that informs me about FAS
integration and says:
> > > After linking the dashboard with your FAS through the settings menu...
> > Which is all nice and dandy, but doing a Ctrl+F on the page for
"settings" gives exactly one match -
> > that being the text in the banner. So there's no visible link to said
"settings menu" anywhere.
> > How do I access it?
>
> The big "gear" icon (the almost universal symbol for "Settings")
in
> the top panel should be what you're looking for.
The gear is called "Options", and beside it is an icon called
"Customize dashboard". "Settings" could refer to either of those. It
would be nice to have consistent terminology, but hey, we can always
click on everything and explore.
The gear icon is also misleading. It alludes to machinery in motion, so
it suggests a menu of commands to do things, rather than options or
settings. There is a wrench icon that would be a good symbol for
settings, but that apparently means Koschei.
Björn Persson
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11:03 a.m.
Josef Skladanka wrote:
[...] document the UI changes you'd like to see, the different
icon
choice you made, and explain why you believe those are more
"universally understood" or better.
I would not choose different icons, because I believe it's impossible
to draw a universally understood picture of an abstract concept. The
closest you can get to universally understood is an English word,
English being the most widely understood language in our time.
Thanks for taking the time to sum up your thoughts, we are looking
forward to seeing less "this sucks" and more "here's how I'd fix
it,
though"!
Quoting myself, here's how I'd fix it:
Björn Persson wrote:
Rather than hiding the intelligible words in mouseover boxes, it
would
be better to write them directly on the screen instead of the icons.
That's clearly not how you like it though. And if you would actually
accept such a change, then I'm sure you could make the change in like
1% of the time it would take me to get familiar with your code, set up
a test environment, and make a pull request.
As I also wrote:
It would be nice to have consistent terminology
That means I would choose either "options" or "settings" and use that
word consistently.
Björn Persson
4:54 a.m.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 11:49, Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
<suve(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
While I really like the idea, I find the interface to be... how do I put it?
Non-obvious and not very discoverable.
For example, at the top of the page, there's a bunch of numbers. I have no idea what
they mean.
Hovering over each of these displays a tooltip - which is nice - but five seconds after
that tooltip disappears,
I'll forget the meaning and the numbers will go back to being visual clutter. It
would be immensely helpful
to have some symbolic icons next to the numbers, which would allow to easily guess what
each of them means.
Right now I pretty much have to memorize the layout.
Which browser are you using? There *are* icons, and the tooltips do
not disappear for me.
Iñaki
The same goes for the comment/karma numbers and priority markings on the list of bugs.
Although here it's actually a bit worse, since my browser doesn't display the
tooltips
and I had to use the dev tools to take a look at the underlying HTML to make sense of
it.
Similarly, at the top of the page, I get a banner that informs me about FAS integration
and says:
> After linking the dashboard with your FAS through the settings menu...
Which is all nice and dandy, but doing a Ctrl+F on the page for "settings"
gives exactly one match -
that being the text in the banner. So there's no visible link to said "settings
menu" anywhere.
How do I access it?
All in all, while this is a very useful project, the current UI makes it hard to make the
best of it.
A.FI.
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7:11 a.m.
New subject: [Dev] Check out the Fedora Packager Dashboard!
On 8/25/22 03:32, Miro Hrončok wrote:
this is just a reminder that there is a Fedora Packager Dashboard
that
you might not know about:
Go to https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/
I randomly discovered this application earlier this year and it saves me
so much time. I wish I had more constructive feedback, but this is all I
have for now:
Thank you. 💙
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2:47 a.m.
Miro Hrončok kirjoitti 25.8.2022 klo 11.32:
Hello folks,
this is just a reminder that there is a Fedora Packager Dashboard that
you might not know about:
Go to https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/
I agree with others, this is a great and very useful service. In attempt
to make it better known, I just proposed it to be linked from the
Package Maintainer Docs:
https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/package-maintainer-docs/pull-request/85
If anybody knows more useful services that are not visible those docs,
please let me know so we can add those, too.
2:58 p.m.
New subject: https://packages.fedoraproject.org Re: Check out the Fedora
Packager Dashboard!
Hi,
Also https://packages.fedoraproject.org/ is new
On Thu, 2022-08-25 at 10:32 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Hello folks,
this is just a reminder that there is a Fedora Packager Dashboard
that you
might not know about:
Go to https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/
Enter your FAS username, (sit down and relax for a while if coming
for the
first time) and enjoy aggregated information about your Fedora and
EPEL
packages from:
- Bugzilla
- Bodhi
- ABRT
- Koschei
- src.fedoraproject.org PRs
- orphans reports
- non-installability reports
- Fedora release schedule
- Package calendars (currently GNOME and Python, but extensible)
- and possibly more in the future
With various filtering options.
Also works for FAS groups or custom views of multiple users that can
be used
for triages, e.g.:
https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?users=churchyard,p...
See the help page for more:
https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/helpmepls
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5:43 a.m.
Funny observation:
- take up an orphaned package
- refresh dashboard
- see the package listed in your dashboard as "directly owned" as well as
"orphaned ... ago" (red warning)
Obviously, different parts of the aggregated information is aggregated on different
schedules ...
5:49 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:44 PM Michael J Gruber <mjg(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Funny observation:
- take up an orphaned package
- refresh dashboard
- see the package listed in your dashboard as "directly owned" as well as
"orphaned ... ago" (red warning)
Obviously, different parts of the aggregated information is aggregated on different
schedules ...
Yeah ... but gathering data from different sources is also either
1) very fast and can be done basically on-demand, or
2) very slow and needs to happen in the background and uses cached results.
I don't think there's a good way to solve this to make data consistent
"across time" from all these different sources, given that they are by
definition updated on different schedules (because some of them update
almost instantly, and some take a few hours to propagate and update
data sources).
Fabio
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